The PimpDragon
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Posts: 652 | It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 9:30 AM
Have you SEEN the frickin' cost of the PS3????!!!
Okay, for the "basic" version, you will pay $499.99!!!
And what do you get with that?
Well, you do get a 20 gig HDD, which is good. But, you get no HDMI/DVI support - which makes Blu-Ray useless since it's specialty is a 1080p signal (impossible to reach with no HDMI/DVI support since it won't support analog); it will not support memory sticks or compact flash cards, either. Plus, it's not upgradeable!!!!
Now, if you want all the things missing, then fork over $600 (yes, you read that right) for the super version with a 60 gig HDD, HDMI support and the other bells and whistles.
And their next-gen controller? How about a PS2 controller that, like the Nintendo Wii, picks up motion (but only basic tilting moves - not near as intuitive as the Wii's controller boasts being).
So, it's official. Sony has shot themselves in the foot with this price at launch. All reports from E3 so far have said that not one of the games screams "Buy me" and that their online strategy doesn't seem well-organized.
This seems like the 3DO part 2!
No system has ever launched at $500 + and been successful.
I can't see Joe Consumer spilling $600 on this system when the Wii will probably launch at $200 and the X-Box 360 is still coming in at $400 for the super version.
I will NOT be buying a PS3 at launch. When it comes down to $399 or lower, I'll consider it. But not this November!
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DaveTRON
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Posts: 5,314 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 10:13 AM
| All reports from E3 so far have said that not one of the games screams "Buy me" and that their online strategy doesn't seem well-organized. |
Wow, who's reporting? The show doesn't open until tomorrow. Seems a tad early to be reporting on something that nobody has actually laid eyes on yet huh?
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The PimpDragon
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Posts: 652 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 10:45 AM
People who saw Sony's launch for E3 last night are who are reporting, bro. They showed footage and announced the prices last night at the official E3 Sony party. Go to www.ign.com. They're talking all about it and even showing screen caps. You can see pics of the new controller and everything. Oh, the system is larger than an X-Box, too, from sources at the conference.
A buddy of mine has the entire conference on his PC. He pulled the information directly from the conference and from Ken Kuranagi's mouth. Gamespot.com showed it live online last night. Many of my friends - many of them Sony fanboys - saw the conference and were left angry and scratching their heads.
Have fun at E3, DaveTRON!!!! Keep us posted on the cool stuff and send plenty of pics of the booth babes! 
Oh, and Ken's also on the record as saying the PS3 price is "probably too cheap."
See this article from IGN.com:
May 9, 2006 - Krazy Ken's at it again. Following the surprise pre-E3 announcement of the PlayStation 3 price, Sony Computer Entertainment head Ken Kutaragi spoke with Japan's IT Media and offered up this beauty: "It's probably too cheap."
In case you skipped out on Monday's press conference, here's the deal. In addition to showing a slew of game demonstrations, Sony Computer Entertainment's Kaz Hirai announced launch specifics for the system. PS3 will go on sale first in Japan on 11/11 at a price of 59,800 yen for a 20GB model, with a 60GB model set at open pricing. The US will get the system on 11/17 with cost set at, respectively, $499 and $599.
Kutaragi explained to IT Media why be believes the price isn't a problem:
"This is the PS3 price. Expensive, cheap -- we don't want you to think of it in terms of game machines. Because the PS3 is like nothing else.
For instance, is it not nonsense to compare the charge for dinner at the company cafeteria with dinner at a fine restaurant? It's a question of what you can do with that game machine. If you can have an amazing experience, we believe price is not a problem.
When we announced the PlayStation price, it was said to be expensive. Same for the PlayStation 2. However, when released, both had sales that were unthinkable for previous game machines. This is because both offered experiences that could not be had on previous game machines.
With the PS3, you can have next generation game experiences that could previously not be experienced -- things like next generation graphics and various services via the network. And, as with the PS and PS2, we believe people who like games will, without question, purchase it."
Kutaragi also took the time to comment on Sony's shipping targets for the system. SCE plans to have two million units available at launch (the Japanese press reports this as the initial shipment figure for the system, and not a number that will be gradually released over a launch window), with another two million by the end of the year and two million more before the end of March 2007. Regarding this, Kutaragi said, "Of course, this is a number that we announced having made sure we can definitely prepare it. There is the possibility of unexpected problems like earthquake or theft, so I won't say it's absolute, but if this type of trouble does not occur, there's no problem with this number."
We expect to hear more from Kutaragi as E3 continues, so be sure and check back over the coming days. |
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The PimpDragon
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Posts: 652 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 10:48 AM
Here's a breakdown of the sizes of the systems:
PS3: 325mm x 98mm x 274mm / 5kg
Xbox: 320mm x 101mm x 260mm / 3.84kg
Xbox 360: 309mm x 83mm x 258mm /3.49kg
Here's the official pic of the controller:
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NoExcuses
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Posts: 1,760 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 11:23 AM
Would I be right in guessing that the controllers are connected by USB, so you wouldn't be able to use the old controllers? If so, then that's not particlarly clever, considering they're damn near exactly the same.
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The PimpDragon
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Posts: 652 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 11:51 AM
I'm not sure about the USB port on the controller. It could be for memory purposes.
I believe that the controllers are wireless (which is good), but at the sacrifice of the vibration - they claim it interferes with the signal.
Funny, but it doesn't on the 360's controller and probably won't on the Wii's controller.
Also, for those interested in the cheaper version of the PS3, as of right now it will NOT ship with Wi/fi capabilities. So, you'll have to shell out extra for that.
The online stuff is free - sounds good, but hold the phone. You will have to buy upgrades (like extra levels, weapons, etc.). In other words, you can window shop all you want, but if you actually want something you have to pay.
My friend who's a GameStop manager says that Sony will have cards you can buy at the stores to be able to get stuff from their online marketplace. The only price he'd seen so far was $50.
X-Box Live is $60 a year for unlimited downloads and gaming. Now, admittedly they do have things you can buy - but there are plenty of free things to see and do. I can buy horse armor for my horse in Oblivion for what equals about $2. I can also download certain games for about the same price. You can purchase points from your own home to do this - no cards necessary. I will say that there are more free things than purchased things on the X-Box Live Marketplace, including HD videos and game demos.
I was actually wanting a PS3, but not now. At least not until a major price drop for the "super" version. Why they repeated Microsoft's folly of two different versions of the system (where the cheap one really isn't worth having - but at least the 360 can be upgraded) is beyond me.
It's like the second coming of the 3DO...legit.
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kmon
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Posts: 191 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 11:53 AM
The dual shock controller is a great design, nothing wrong with putting in fancier guts. (hey if its not broke, it needs more features). The controllers are wireless and tilt senitive. 600 is an awsome deal for what you're getting. Even if you were buying it just for the blueray drive its a heck of a deal. The ps3 does have its issues. And the software library is what will make or break both systems. Just have to wait and see.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill
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The PimpDragon
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Posts: 652 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 1:16 PM
Here's my favorite pic from some angry Sony fans!
Here you see the difference from what Sony originally promised to what has finally been delivered.
No more 7 players. No more extra inputs for online multi-tasking, etc.
Personally, I've never liked the dual shock controllers. I don't like the d-pad at all - worst ever - and I think the controller sticks are (a.) too slippery to never feel comfortable and (b.) too close together.
The tilt sensitivity so far only seems to be left and right - so Super Monkey Ball would play really well on them.
Personally, my biggest fear of the PS3 is the Blu-Ray drive. It's still untested waters and Sony has pushed back the release of their Blu-Ray drives a number of times now. More than likely, the games will come on standard DVD for the first year or so. The original PS2 games were on a basic CD before moving to GD-ROM if memory serves.
I'll have to disagree with you, Kmon. I just can't justify spending that much on a home console system. $400 was on thing, but $600 is too much - regardless of what games are on it.
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lurkinghorror
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Posts: 803 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 2:51 PM
To be honest, I've never understood why people get angry at companies when the product is changed. I mean, no one has bought it yet.
As for the price, it's expected. Remember that many, many people paid more than this for a PS2 at launch. I'm sure Sony took notice of this. Me, I never buy systems until they drop to under a 100$ anyway. By then then games are readily available for 10$-15$ and you know how well the system will be supported.
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Posts: 0 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 3:32 PM
| NoExcuses Wrote:Would I be right in guessing that the controllers are connected by USB, so you wouldn't be able to use the old controllers? If so, then that's not particlarly clever, considering they're damn near exactly the same. |
Actually, it kinda is if you really think about it. We've already establish that they are greedy already. So what's stopping them from making you run out and buy a new (And possibly more expensive) controller?
I suppose you could work around the controller issues (This is just theory, so bear with me) is to canabalize an older controller and change it from a standard PS controller to a USB controller. They've been doing similar things with dance pads and making dance pads work for your PC on USBs (I found a tutorial on this but I'm not sure where it was) so why can't it work for a PS controller? Besides, I think it might be cheaper to do too (Provided the new controllers are expensive and Sony decides to be cheap one more time).
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Posts: 0 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 3:36 PM
| lurkinghorror Wrote:To be honest, I've never understood why people get angry at companies when the product is changed. I mean, no one has bought it yet. |
That's because people already have expectations before the product got changed and if you leave a great enough time gap, fanatsies start up and so forth until reality comes raining down on them like golf ball sized hail and the company changes things. ^^;; Fortunately, I don't deal with the new systems, me, my PC, and my Sega Gamegear are just fine. 
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KiaPurity
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Posts: 3,488 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 4:00 PM
I dunno. I'm still getting a PS3. I know you guys think I'm crazy but I can afford the 599 one with only two pay checks. x_x
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The PimpDragon
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Posts: 652 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 4:38 PM
It's one thing when they just change.
It's another when the company brags about all these things and then doesn't deliver and still expects consumers to pay $600 for a system that won't deliver all the said promises they had.
If people had pre-ordered the system and then had this changed, I'd say they have every right to be miffed.
With Nintendo's and Microsoft's presentations, I honestly think Sony might just get owned in this gen of console wars. That price point is just too high.
Word on the street is that the 360 may see a price drop this fall and that the Wii is going to launch at $249.99. That's about $50 more than I think it should, but it could come with two controllers and a game (if that's the case, it's a good price). No matter - it's still cheaper than the PS3 by a long shot, as is the current price of the "super" version of the 360!
Plus, Microsoft announced that Grand Theft Auto 4 (like the series or not, it's what put the PlayStation 2 truly on the map) will be EXCLUSIVE (albeit for 6 months) to the 360. That has got to sting Sony right now! Plus, they'll have downloadable content for the game through X-Box Live. That's incredible news!order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pill
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Nikster
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Posts: 2,691 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 4:40 PM
At least the PS3 controller doesn't look like a freakin' boomerang anymore..that thing did NOT look comfortable at all.
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Posts: 0 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 6:22 PM
The PimpDragon Wrote:Have you SEEN the frickin' cost of the PS3????!!!
Okay, for the "basic" version, you will pay $499.99!!!
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Now, if you want all the things missing, then fork over $600 (yes, you read that right) for the super version with a 60 gig HDD, HDMI support and the other bells and whistles... |
Whoa! 
Now you have to be one SERIOUS gamer to shell out that kind of cash for a gaming console!
I wasn't planning on getting one... but this really seals the deal - there will be no PS3 in my future.
For that kind of money, I'd be far better off scraping up just another couple hundred and getting a whole new computer that can do everything a PS3 can do, and much, much more! I'm really in need of a new PC too.
Wow.
Something tells me there will STILL be tons of gamers camping out and lining up in large numbers ready to buy these things.
Oh yeah - and of course there will be the "we buy brand new expensive toys and smash them for your entertainment" dipsh-ts there too I'm sure.
It's a gaming console... I can't believe anyone in their right mind would take gaming so serious as to purchase a dedicated piece of hardware to play them on that costs THIS much! I mean come on - is it really that much of a greater experience than the PS3? I bet not!  You'll still be playing the same games, with slightly better graphics, a couple of new tricks, and on the same old flat, dimensionless screen. Been there - done that!
 
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Posts: 0 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 6:28 PM
| lurkinghorror Wrote:To be honest, I've never understood why people get angry at companies when the product is changed. I mean, no one has bought it yet. |
I'm just guessing here, but I think it has a lot to do with the mounting excitement of loads of new features, options, and possibilities. Then when things disappear and get scaled down, it causes that excitement bubble to burst. Or something close to that. 
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KiaPurity
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Posts: 3,488 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 6:34 PM
There will still be price drops for the console, don't worry. =P
Man, it's depressing. Everyone's complaining about the price and it sounds like they've got very negative attitude about the console. (I can understand about the price complaining, but the only reason why I can afford it is because I only have one or two bills... I don't even own credit cards at all!)
What about the games that are coming out for it? I'm getting a PS3 because of how awesome MGS4 is right now. There'll be more on the way as well.
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The PimpDragon
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Posts: 652 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 7:50 PM
I haven't liked Metal Gear Solid since the sequel (too much reading/watching, not enough gaming. And the guy who's NOT Snake just sucked to be).
So far, there's really nothing I'm psyched for on that system. Warhawk looks good, as does Virtua Fighter 5, but not $600 + another $120 for both games good.
Kia, it's all good if you wanna buy your PS3. I'm certainly not hating on you or anyone who wants one.
I'm just upset for consumers to have to pay so much for a system and Sony's arrogance that they GUARANTEE they will.
With all the games listed on the 360's conference today, I'm far more psyched to have one (that I've already paid less for). Too Human, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Blue Dragon (Square Enix game exclusively for 360), Fable 2, SHADOWRUN and the mother of them all, HALO 3 (announced to be the final in the series) make me happy!
Nintendo even had a better conference with a potential 20+ titles at launch! That's amazing!
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Posts: 3,488 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Tuesday, May, 09, 2006 8:09 PM
Yeah... I understand now.
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Posts: 0 | Re: It's official - Sony doesn't like us!
on Wednesday, May, 10, 2006 4:32 AM
Maybe I'm cynical or just burnt out, but I'm not really eager to care about next-gen stuff... then again, who knows, maybe this E3 will suprise me, but probably not. the only thing that i'm excited about seeing is the new nintendo, but I don't even want to wait in line for that. I'm only going to E3 because I'm meeting up with a friend from out of town there (and hopefully leaving soon after) $500-600 is a lot to play sequels... same game, better graphics, and a few new features to get the fan boys' excited, but nothing ground breaking or original. Publishers just don't want to take risks like that, especially early in a console's life span. Nintendo gave me a little hope for new and exciting things, and it's still there, but it was crushed a bit when i saw that, along with their fancy new controller, they have a normal controller too... so i'm sure all those titles that get ported all the platforms will end up on that system as well... I'm not sure if that's a good idea or not... since they want to sent their system apart from the others.
I guess I'm just a little jaded  Maybe I won't feel so bad if I pre-order a few PS3s and throw them up on ebay when demand is high and supply is low. I'll be sure to get enjoyment from them then.
blah blah blah etc, etc...
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