I remember seeing a trailer for that a while ago. I was wondering what happened to it. Looks wierd. I'm in. :P

redrain85 Wrote: Wow. Hollywood proves they have some originality left, after all. Not sure about the cel shading thing, but the idea is certainly interesting

Actually, that cel shading is an old idea. The first time I saw something like it used was in another movie called "Waking Life." Okay... so the movie was heavily phylisophical and I really didn't get much out of the plot, but the animation was something. It's actually only half animated. It started out as regular film and then they drew over top of each frame in something like Flash.

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Thanks FF for that synopsis. I consider myself a Phillip K. Dick fan, but never read that novel, so I appreciate the low-down. I agree that the cell shading thing kinda turned me off at the very beginning. I thought that this was like a T Rowe Price commercial, but it looks like this movie just might pull it off with a combination of cell shading and comic like animation (infusing odd images like the Tron costume and the weird multi-eyed character). I have higher hopes for this than Sin City.

redrain85 Wrote: Kamui Wrote:Actually, that cel shading is an old idea. Okay, let me rephrase that. It's different and new, regarding the way they're doing it. I don't think any major film release has done cel or comic book-like shading on top of live action, using what is clearly CGI. Was "Walking Life" a major release, though? If so, then you've got me. And yeah, there have been other films using cel shading before, too. Ralph Bakshi did at least two of them, for example. He had to do it all by hand . . . rotoscoping. Man, what a hell of a lot of work that must have been.

I'm not too sure about "Waking Life" being a major release. But I can say that it was pretty much released everywhere in North America on DVD.

Oh there was also a TV series and a bank comercial done in this cel style too. I almost forgot that! ^^;;

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Boingo_Buzzard Wrote: Thanks FF for that synopsis. I consider myself a Phillip K. Dick fan, but never read that novel, so I appreciate the low-down. I agree that the cell shading thing kinda turned me off at the very beginning. I thought that this was like a T Rowe Price commercial, but it looks like this movie just might pull it off with a combination of cell shading and comic like animation (infusing odd images like the Tron costume and the weird multi-eyed character). I have higher hopes for this than Sin City.

You're welcome. It's from IMDb. If I need to delete it for that reason, tell me.

I watched the trailer on break at work today. Interesting choice in presentation and look of the film.

The premise and general story seemed interesting. Somehow, it seemed very "Keanu Reevs" - his character I mean. He plays that kind of character well - a somewhat Neo-like character (in personality).

I wanted to like this. I tried to like this while I was watching it. I mean it isn't the same old crap Hollywood has been regurgitating for years now. This should be cool to someone like me. The cell-shading thing... kind of cool for a few seconds, and then it just really wore thin on me. I get that they're kind of trying to make a stylish comic book like film, and the cell shading opens the door for some cool visuals like the eyeball-headed guy. I mean he looked very comic book like in appearance and not much like if they had tried to go for a fleshy looking eyeball-headed guy, if that makes any sense. But I started hating the cell shading very quickly as it was very distracting and not artistic at all - at least not to me. The artistic appeal wore off after the first 20 or 30 seconds, then it just became very irritating and distracting.

Cell shading can be cool in short spurts, or as a part of something much larger. As for an entire film made in this fluid, sort of wobbly cell shading - it just doesn't work for me. I know many people will love it, if not for any other reason - JUST for the cell shading. But I don't care for the way they did it. Nothing seems solid - it all seems sort of blobby and too fluid around the edges of detailing, etc. It really distracted me when watching the trailer.

Cell shading is a tough thing to pull off. I've seen rotoscoped "cell shading" (it's not "called cell" shading when it's actually true rotoscoped animation though). Rotoscope animation goes way back. I've always like the look of hand-drawn rotoscope animation, or at least the ones I've seen done old-school...

Ok, enough. I'm just babbling on about my dislike of the film's look.

I give them points for trying something new in presentation, but it just didn't work for me.

I'm curious though - did anyone else actually find the cell shading to be distracting? I mean - were you actually bothered by the look of it to the point that was all you could concentrate on while watching it? Did the fluid, always moving edges of things bother you at all?

redrain85 Wrote: The cel shading did bother me a little. Basically, it just screams gimmick as I watch it. And the constant wavering of the edges is a bit a annoying.

YES - that's what really bothered me! The constand-damn fluid-like motion of the edges, or "wavering" as you put it. That really distracted me. The look of this film could have worked a LOT better if things were a little more solid and not so... well, fluid and wobbly. Yuck.

redrain85 Wrote:But I give them points for trying something relatively new and different. At least they tried. So many other films are just boring rehashes of what came before.

Yep - points for something new. At least this one is not just another cookie-cutter film, or so it does not seem so by the trailer. I admire and respect that. But the un-solid look of things and "jello-land" like movement ruins it for me.

Boingo_Buzzard Wrote: I actually found the opposite. The longer I watched it the less I was aware of the cell shading. Maybe it's something about how the brain works. (or maybe in my case, doesn't ) One thing I cannot stand, however, is the "jiggling" camera gimmick. They completely ruined the last Bourne movie with this, and I ended up being motion sick.

Wiggling anything really doesn't bother me at all. (You'll be supprised with what I can actually put up with. Gore doesn't phase me much (Well almost all of it), anything that causes motion sickness in other people doesn't work on me.... ect. There are very few things that would bug me, but a lot of stuff doesn't. ^^;;; ) But I thought the animation was pretty interesting. I dunno.... maybe I'm a media geek, but stuff like that is really cool to me. ^^;

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Boingo_Buzzard Wrote: *points* Media Geek! Meeeeeeeeeedia Geek!

*Throws some floppy disks and tablits at Boingo* Eat areal floppy disk and tablits assult!

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Boingo_Buzzard Wrote: I actually found the opposite. The longer I watched it the less I was aware of the cell shading. Maybe it's something about how the brain works. (or maybe in my case, doesn't )

Interesting. For you - the wavy, wobbly motion of the lines and detailing seems to fade out of consciousness as you watched it. For me, they just kept getting more and more noticeable and distracting as I viewed the trailer

I wonder if that annoyance would fade and become un-bothersome if I were to watch the film in whole. I'm certain it would really bother me at least at first. I'm thinking it would also distract me for the entire film, detracting heavily from the experience. Hmmm, I don't know. Once something like that bothers me, it just stands out as if it were the only thing going on. I'd probably have great trouble getting in to the story of the film if I were too distracted by the ever wavy, wobbly, fluid-moving, Jello-jiggle lines. Just thinking out loud... or typing out thoughts as they come to me.

I wanted to dig this. The comic book style was cool until I noticed the wavy lines. I could have probably dug it if it were not so distracting.
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