Hi!

Thank you all for your nice comments.

I set up a short animation, now i have to try
how do i do the walls when moving the cycles around.
I already got some ideas, ill see if any of em work

http://www.cueball.de/images/Tron/Lightcycle_Test1.avi(311kb DivX6 avi)

Dirk

wwwmwww Wrote: TheReelTodd Wrote: I'm guessing that the overall ease of meshes over primitives has caused this major shift away from the use of primitives and therefore there is not as many software engines developed around the rendering of primitives. Overall ease? Is it really easer to position 11,768 polys then it is 57 primitives. Being someone that's never made a mesh its hard for me to understand that but I tend to think it must be seeing how fast some of you can pump out these models. Then again I'm probably the Monk of model builders...

I think Traahn covered this pretty well already. I don't know exactly how personally, but I do know that one does not need to manipulate each polygon - they're all kind of intertwined in some kind of digital silly-putty like form. A pull here, poke here, and tuck there manipulates them all at once... or something like that.

Wow! The cycles look wonderful Cueball! Man that's impressive! The outlines are just right, and the color and shading of the gradient areas are dead on like the film! Love the group shot image. abortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion

Hi Carl!

It looks like the black part of the wheel (rim) is slightly curved inwards.
There are a few shots, where you can see it.


I saw that assembly too, maybe they changed it later.... dunno

I guess there will be some secrets left.

As for the look:

Im pretty impressed, what can be done with povray,
if you consider its free!
Lightwave was a tad more expencive...

Btw, i really like your lightcycle render, where it looked
like transparent plastic!
Its for more creative than me just copying old stuff

Since the wont go out of my head, i checked
the screencaps again and i guess i can manage the treads.
I (hopefully) understand how they were build.

Almost forgot.... could it be that the solar-sailer was build
using a polygon-modeller?
I found that big printout of it, where it looks like.
That damn thing is on my list too

greetings,
Dirk
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Cueball Wrote:Hi Carl!

Hello Dirk,

Cueball Wrote:It looks like the black part of the wheel (rim) is slightly curved inwards. There are a few shots, where you can see it.

I'm not so sure about that. The lines superimposed here aren't rendered or part of the model. I think this is hand drawn detailing so I wouldn't base too much on that. To me the box that makes the front spoke looks like it tilts into the rim as it moves out from the center. With the rim being solid black I really can't tell if it has any shape other then flat. As for rather the spoke SHOULD tilt into the rim to the point its completely buried before it reaches the colored portion of the tire I'm not sure. Maybe its time to study more frames. If the rim itself is dished out and not flat I can't really tell from this picture. If there are others that show this could you post them.

Cueball Wrote:As for the look: Im pretty impressed, what can be done with povray, if you consider its free! Lightwave was a tad more expencive...

I'm just cheap. For me POV-Ray is also really easy to learn. Since Lightwave does so much more I asume the learning curve is a bit steeper.

Cueball Wrote: Btw, i really like your lightcycle render, where it looked like transparent plastic!

Thanks... I liked that look too.

Cueball Wrote: Its for more creative than me just copying old stuff

Maybe, but what you are doing I think is harder. Its hard to copy the look of other artists exactly. When you are making your own look you have much more freedom to play around with. Personally I love the look of TRON but I also feel there is always room for improvement. Everthing in TRON looks a little flat and dull. I think a few reflective and shiny surfaces brighten things up a bit.

Cueball Wrote:Since the wont go out of my head, i checked the screencaps again and i guess i can manage the treads. I (hopefully) understand how they were build.

I still owe you some pictures. I'll try to get to them this weekend. Is it ok if I post them here instead of in the recognizer thread?

Cueball Wrote:Almost forgot.... could it be that the solar-sailer was build using a polygon-modeller?

It was. I'll say more in a minute.

Carl

Hi!

Ive to capture more frames of the cycle, maybe i will find something.

As for the sailer, i was just reading that big article
you mentioned, they wrote about it.
This one will be a bit harder to re-make

I just did a wireframe-render, more coming tomorrow.

Now its time for me to hit the sack...

EDIT:
Ouch, cant hold my eyes open anymore, this picture belongs to the tank-thread.......


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Carl, I think that theory makes a lot of sense. There are some scenes where the "vehicles" (for lack of a better term) that were assigned to each company, crossed paths in the film. When they did, each company had to create their own version of the "vehicle" that the other company was specializing in.

For example, the picture you posted with the Carrier above the Tank. MAGI did all the Tank scenes. So when the Carrier needed to appear overhead, MAGI did their best to re-create Triple-I's Carrier. And sometimes when we saw Recognizers riding the energy beam in pursuit of the Solar Sailer, Triple-I put in their re-creation of MAGI's Recognizer.

This is what must have lead to the inconsistencies, that you've spotted in the models.

Likely the desrepencies (spelling?) are due to the time it took to re-make or correct a model. For example, the Magi team are making the first reco scene and render it and print it to film, then one of the animators sees something they intended to put in and did it on the next run thinking the result was too small to show up to the average movie-goer. With the time crunch they were under it would have been next to impossible to junk a section of film and then re-render/reprint it to reflect a "minor" correction to a model or models.

wwwmwww Wrote:It doesn't explain all of them. Even if you call this Triple-I's Recognizer it still looks like MAGI had 3 versions of their own.

True. I wonder if the variations were mistakes, or perhaps attempts to simplify the models in order to reduce rendering times. (I don't recall right now if the discrepancies were added, removed, or simply differing details.)

Hi Carl!

I checked the DVD again and captured more frames.

Got a nice shot of Ram's Lightcycle.
(when they left the crack from the arena and turned right)



I tried 3 versions so far.

Version 1 was done with cutting a stump cone into both sides of the wheel,
and then stucked a cylinder into it

Version 2 same, but instead of the flat circle of the cylinder,
i used a very flat ball to make the rim slightly curved.

Version 3 was just using a ball which was sized to 1/2 on one axis, otherwise the cut would be too deep.
I tried, but it looked all wrong.

I think V3 looks pretty good, but im not 100% happy with it.

Dirk

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