Read this (optional reading . . . yes, it's long):
http://livingdead.g2gm.net/tronfaq/pages/bvgsucks.html
Then read this (definitely go here):
http://www.petitiononline.com/tron20/petition.html

I signed it

Scuzzy Wrote:YOu are one long winded program, you know that, don't you?

LOL. Scuzzy, I haven't covered half of BVG's ineptness. It could have been even longer.

Yes, I brought the petition back. Because the final straw has been broken. And this time, the petition isn't going anywhere . . . it's safe at petitiononline.

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Shame to see such a rich property go neglected. Disney could have nurtured this to be rather popular. It's a good fit for EPCOT synergy, and it lends itself to other media spinoffs. It's possible that those in charge don't see things this way and don't think it's worth spending any more money on. Unfortunately, Disney just doesn't come to mind when I think of creativity or risk taking. With the possible action, bright colors, and frenzied pace of this setting, I'd think it'd be a natural for todays audience.

DaveTRON Wrote:Having been on the inside, you have some things sort of right, and others on target but stated poorly. A few out and out creations of user fantasy as well. I will try to reply privately later on those.

I look forward to hearing it.

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Seems like they also closed down tron20.net as well. No more web site for tron 2.0 What ashame.

I've been wanting to say this for a long time. I don't mean to offend anyone by it. Just something that bugs me. An observation.

Why is it, that Tron 2.0 news related to the game itself has gotten second-class treatment, for the longest time now?

I see lots of stories about other Tron items making the front page. Even the Tron 2.0 comics made the front page. But something like this . . . a petition to help keep the game alive and moving forward? Nah.

And what about all the maps for the game, that have been released over time? The Tron Recognizer game made the front page. (Not that it doesn't deserve it, it's great.) No news about the maps, never hosted here in the file section, not much interest shown.

I just find it odd that a Tron site - with Tron 2.0 imagery on it everywhere no less - shows so little interest in the actual game itself.

Shrugs.

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DaveTRON Wrote:Could it have anything to do with the apathetic response to the news items posted the first time you did this? I posted it myself, so I know it took place.

EDIT: Never mind. I figured out what you meant. I thought you were saying this had shown up on the news page at one time.

You meant Tron 2.0 Killer App related news received an apathetic response. Unfortunately, yes it seemed that way.

Hell, we are still only at 50 posts to get a second movie.

Yes, and that's extremely sad.

You still have Admin powers, don't you? Why not mention that thread on the front page? I don't think it ever was. I'm sure it would help a lot.

Your petition has been around for quite a while and you are up to what, 20+ sigs?

Not true.

I had a previous petition once, about a year ago. But due to stupidity and naivite on my part, the site I asked to keep it hosted . . . lost it. The current site can be trusted not to be so careless.

The way I went about it last time was a bad idea, and I took my lumps. (Still taking them now, I see.)

I created a new one just two days ago. It certainly has more than 20 sigs. You haven't even looked, have you?

I only brought it back because I see BVG totally abandoning this game. They don't even show you where to get the latest patch any more on the Tron 2.0 site. Which is absolutely ESSENTIAL to playing online. Without it, Multiplayer will not work for you.

BVG won't respond to 1,000, so you have little hope of success with them.

You don't know that for certain. It's likely, yes. But not for certain.

I think the issue here is that YOU don't feel you are getting the attention you deserve, not TRON 2.0.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

But please. Let's not go there. I could accuse you of the same thing. It wouldn't be fair or right. Let's not start this kind of discussion.

There's been plenty of TRON 2.0 news.

Hmm, let's see. Except for the comic news, when was the last news item posted in the Tron 2.0 news section. November of 2004. Doesn't look like a lot of news to me, lately.

Don't blame TRON Sector for that one. You guys didn't make it accesible.

Re: maps. That's not true either.

For a long time now, Boxhat has had the maps available to download in a very accessable manner. No log in required, maps bundled into packs, detailed descriptions. The problem is, everyone seems to ignore Boxhat for some reason.

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Redrain has always had his own version of the facts, and I don't agree with him all of the time.

Admittedly, PGB was the site I tried to work with to get the maps that had the files screwed up beyond belief. Boxhat was not frieindly to the concept of the maps they had there being placed over here. I know, I was part of the conversations at the time. Perhaps things have changed?

I personally posted a News Article on the Petition the first time it existed on this site. If Redrain chooses not to remember it, that's not my problem, but it was advertised here at TS. Perhaps he's wanting a permanent banner on the main screen or something? Considering the huge sig banner on his notes, you'd think more people might have discovered it by now and signed?

Where there has been TRON 2.0 news, we have posted it. This isn't Reuters, it's a bunch of fans doing their damndest to keep fans informed of what little they know. We don't have reporters in the field. There isn't much news lately, so the lack of posts is fairly self explainatory.

I worked at BVG the first time his petition came to light. I took a copy to the heads of Marketing and PD and I got laughed out of the room. I tried to show people how passionate the TRON community, however small, was. Redrain seems to forget about all of that too. Nobody gave a damn at BVG outside of me and 1 or two others.

The fact is, TRON 2.0, the game, is DEAD. I spent a year working on the PC version making it the best game I could help it to be, and despite it's flaws and some poor choices at BVG I am proud of it. then BVG fucked up the Xbox version and the GBA did OK, but not great. Even the cel phone games did badly.

Unfortunately, it didn't get a long life in any form, and no amount of petitioning is going to give it one.

SALES = SEQUELS .... NO SALES = NO MORE TRON

That's the fact of the gaming business that I work in. TRON 2.0 did not sell in any form, so it's dead.

Redrain. Normally I like you a lot, I really don't want this to change that, but you have got to face the facts. Unless you can muster thousands of signatures and get sales to increase for a title not even in stores in great number, your hopes are dead.

I really wish it were otherwise, but TRON 2.0, the game, is 2 years old and drawing it's final breaths. Maybe someday we'll get luck and get a TRON 3.0? I have some artwork for one design that was underway. I know the producer left BVG shortly after I did, so my guess is the title died.

We'd have better luck chanelling our efforts into getting a movie out of them, and that's a crap shoot at best.

Just to show you I'm not working against you, I just think you are tilting at windmills, I think you will notice something different on the news page.

As for your personal theories about me....byte me!

redrain85 Wrote: DaveTRON Wrote:Could it have anything to do with the apathetic response to the news items posted the first time you did this? I posted it myself, so I know it took place. EDIT: Never mind. I figured out what you meant. I thought you were saying this had shown up on the news page at one time. You meant Tron 2.0 Killer App related news received an apathetic response. Unfortunately, yes it seemed that way.

No, I meant the first time we posted something about your petition here at TS on the NEWS page, there was minimal response at best.

Sadly, your misinterpretation is also correct. People have never seemed to care much about the news, instead preferring to talk about anything but TRON, but that's another subject.