Sketch Wrote: This is where those built in fail safe devices will be used. Sure, there might be a situation where the fail safe does more harm than good, but again, these are accidents that happen with any technology. Nothing's perfect. We're only human, and machines are only machines.

This is basically what I,Robot is all about. If you haven't read that book yet I highly recommend it.

The funny thing is, there's one point where they actually remove one of the fail safes on purpose because it was getting in the way of business The one law that states "Any robot will not allow by action or inaction for a human being to come to harm."

Then one of the robots with this fail safe removed goes missing. They think it's in a batch of NEW robots that were just delivered and is hiding out among them. The main character suggests they destroy every robot, and the people who ordered them are shocked because of the staggering loss in revenue.

My point to this ramble is that if any "accident" occurs it may be due to our shortsightedness and willingless to overlook the safeguards... just this once.. to make a few extra $$

Also, about Robby. That's from Forbidden Planet, right? A co-worker at work thinks the show "Lost" on ABC is basically just a remake of that movie. Have you seen Lost?

Well, my idea of how to prevent machines from destroying us is that we program the three (Or is it four?) rules of robotics into their minds. Then, we make sure that they are monitered no matter what kind of robot they are....


It would've provented stuff in those movies where they destroy people....

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Lost in Space a remake of Forbiddeon Planet??? HA! Now that is a funny view. If you haven't seen Forbidden Planet yet Bongo, get it. You'll enjoy what it has to offer in it's story. Now, Robby and the B-9 robot can basically be considered brothers because they were created by the same prop designer. If you look at they two they share simialr componets, but each are totally different designs and personalities. I love them both. If I ever get rich, I want to buy my own working Robby and B-9 robot. There's a guy that makes them. They turn, light up, and talk just as they did on tv and film. Dream on Sketch.

Jedi is correct about the whole techno-fear. That is why my first post refered to it as a fear of machines. I talked with my Dad about this and he brought up a good example of this. On AMC movie network just a night ago, they showed an old black and white film about a son getting a car. This was when the automobile was new, and in the movie they show the car as being evil. The son's father, the main character, rants aobut how horses are better and how this technology will be the down fall of humanity. What follows is a killing spree of terror by the car. You look at past films, robots and machines have always been portrayed as evil in some form or fashion. Seriously, look at some of the pulp fiction comics from times past. In the 40's Superman serial's, episode "Mechanical Monsters," we are shown robots being used as tools to comite crimes of robbery and destruction. I liked that one cause usually stories from that era just had the robots being evil just for the sake of being evil. The mechanical monsters were just remote controled tools being used by the villian. It's easy to do this to machines for they are tools to be used and controled. That is their function. So because of this it is easier to come up with the idea that a machine will be the utlimate destruction of humanity.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill

TheJediUnit Wrote:The concept that his tools of destruction take on a life of their own is just our childish compulsion to project living humanism upon inanimate objects.

I guess I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean the idea of "machine agressors" is childish, or that placing human personalities on inanimate objects is childish?


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Sketch Wrote:That is their function.

Well, sure. I mean the idea of a car going ape on someone is pure fantasy. People have always infused a "villainous" aspect in most anything. Cars, Animals, Dolls (Chucky), Religious Artifacts... that makes for good (and sometimes not) film.

And to be honest, I never expect a ventriloquist's dummy to come alive and attack people one day. Cars and whatnot are not manufactured to be like people and think like people... so the thought of them BEING like that is supposedly all the more horrific.

But, just for the sake of argument, let's consider computers and robots being actually BUILT to mimic human behavior. It seems like there's a general consensus that this will never happen (and that the thought of it is “childish”). I disagree.

For one, you have to consider commerce and business. Machines can work harder, faster, without breaks and without making mistakes (unless there are bugs in the programming, of course.) Why couldn't machines be used to supplement an over burdened workforce, like..... say, healthcare. Now, do you want your nurse robot to come walking in, all chrome and steel and blurt out in a mechanical voice "BEND OVER HUMAN!". Well, no of course not. Anything that will be used to "supplement" human labor in this capacity will be programmed to "deal" with humans on their level.
We don't understand computers when they spit out binary code. We have to have it relay pictures and words back to us in a language we can understand.

So any machine or robot in this function that would act independently would have to have human-like qualities to function. Add into that there are ALREADY machines/robots programmed to think and adapt, then you have the beginnings of an adaptable AI that isn't that far removed from sci-fi.

Now, my original point was that aggressive personalities (for malicious purposes or otherwise) could actually BE purposely programmed into these machines. Well, then there is a possibility (however remote) or developing a machine that hates, or feels greed.

I don’t think the concept of human-like thinking machines is REALLY all that far fetched. Yes, machine aggressors and conquest is a little more out there, but not impossibility like some other fantasy/sci-fi topics. That's my point of this post. That this relatively entertaining sci-fi topic that repeats itself may actually have some possibility of happening.

Boingo_Buzzard Wrote: Kamui WroteNow if only I can do something about those damn annoying gum chewers. Ignorant idiots! >_< ) "That gum you like is going to come back in style." Do you hate the popping and the smacking that some people do with gum? Or, people like Parker Posy's character in "Waiting For Guffman" who kind of making gum chewing part of their speech?

Both would drive me insane. I'm already insane enough as is, I don't need more stuff adding to it. *Chases stupid gum chewers and throws her keyboard at them*

most of the time it's teenagers. hateful little things, aren't they?

Only when they're ignorant. And may I also add that grown adults also like to join in on this gum-chewing catagory too and they are just as annoying.

~Kamui.EXE

Boingo_Buzzard Wrote:I guess I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean the idea of "machine agressors" is childish, or that placing human personalities on inanimate objects is childish?

Both.

In a way, yes. But the label "childish" is not always insulting. Some films not only get away with using childish themes, but even embrace them. There is no implication that such films as Tron, despite the childish themes, are not still great and worthwhile films.

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Kamui Wrote: I've never heard of gum doing that. I've heard of the 7 yrs Myth.... which is NOT true.... but ulsers? Hmm.... sounds rather fishy to me. ~Kamui.EXE

it's true, i remember a health expert saying it. she said that chewing the gum makes your body prepare to digest food, that means producing sulphuric acid in the stomach, but then no food arrives, and there is excess acid, which then slowly eats away at the stomach lining, creating ul...ulsa...those bad things that can appear in your mouth as well.
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