Probably could happen. Humans sure like to think about it. I mean, Terminator, The Matrix......stufff like that has done well in theaters. But if it happened in real life? Would the macines even bother keeping humans alive? I mean, once they figured out how to repair and build themselves, we would'nt do them any good. We'd just be a nusiance.

Stupid double-post. Ah well. It does raise my post count.

A.I. would be the cause of a "thinking" robot...

In fact, this happened 3 years ago for real...

In 2001, a robot manufacturing (correct me if I spelled that wrong) company in America had been developing a top secret robot, and in the process, allowing it to think. After testing it 23 times, proved it a failure and moved on to another project.
The robot was to be treated for problems and decommissioned. So the robot was placed in a storage cell until the next day.

Later that night...

The robot got up and punched in the access codes to open the cell door. The robot moved down hallways, down elevators, and to the back door. The robot punched in the codes to open the door and was now free...

Eventually, a civilian reported the robot, and the authorities took it to the city lost and found. The company came and retrieved the robot, taking it to be decomissioned immediately...

2 years later, one of the people responsible for the creation of the robot spilled the beans about the incident for it was all caught on tape by security cameras...

The tape was destroyed for the company thought it might cause national panic...

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Hikaru.EXE Wrote:A.I. would be the cause of a "thinking" robot... In fact, this happened 3 years ago for real... In 2001, a robot manufacturing (correct me if I spelled that wrong) company in America had been developing a top secret robot, and in the process, allowing it to think. After testing it 23 times, proved it a failure and moved on to another project. The robot was to be treated for problems and decommissioned. So the robot was placed in a storage cell until the next day. Later that night... The robot got up and punched in the access codes to open the cell door. The robot moved down hallways, down elevators, and to the back door. The robot punched in the codes to open the door and was now free... Eventually, a civilian reported the robot, and the authorities took it to the city lost and found. The company came and retrieved the robot, taking it to be decomissioned immediately... 2 years later, one of the people responsible for the creation of the robot spilled the beans about the incident for it was all caught on tape by security cameras... The tape was destroyed for the company thought it might cause national panic... I don't remember the company name.

sorry, but to me all that sounds like total rubbish!

josh.exe Wrote:that means that if we make "thinking robots" they could enslave the world thinking that they are perfect and wanting to destroy th "inperfect" creator and people

It depends on the personality we give them. Now, if you were the boss of workers would you want, intelligent, driven, single-minded, obsessive, competitive workers... or those that would have to think every decision through... weigh other possibilities, mull over the ramifications of everything... take time to think about... maybe even decide not to do what you want....?

I think that when we decide to give machines/robots "personalities" the personalities will be based on getting the job done, quickly and at the expense of others. If you infuse that mindset on something without a set of ethics, you're asking for trouble.

Prankster bit Wrote: i think giving machines personalities are ok, but maybe limiting the ability to think/learn.

Well, that makes sense except you forget the main purpose behind machines/robots in the first place. To do business and make money. So if you limit your machine or robot's ability to do something, someone else will make a faster more efficient and smarter robot to take it's place.

So there probably won't be any "self-imposed" limits on a machines intellect and learning capability.

Sketch Wrote:It's amazing this fear people have about Machines taking over.

I don't have a fear of it. I was just making conversation. Certainly thinking machines aren't going to happen in MY lifetime. I just thought that this topic that shows up in sci-fi a lot actually might have some possibility of happening.

I think there will always be an off button built in case something does happen, but what will happen will be based upon what it is that is programed into the mind of a machine.

Yeah, that's what I think, although an "off" button could be turned against someone. Say.... "If you turn me off then the entire communications and defense grid for north america get's a nice little ZAP as part of my shutdown sequence and launches all missles and fries your communications network."

Plus any thinking machine bent on world domination would be running on a network that couldn't ever be FULLY shutdown.

But yes, I do see humans giving computers an "aggresive personality" to foster productivity and a sense of competition.

Boingo_Buzzard Wrote: Prankster bit Wrote: sorry, but to me all that sounds like total rubbish! Yeah, I think I am with you on that. I smell an "Urban Legend."

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That's the thing though, building a machine entity is rather complex and reqires a lot of resources, especially one that your presenting that is suppose to take over the world as a self aware machine. A task that large requires not just a huge amount of calculating and processing abilities, but power, resources, and a ton of thinking abilities like a human, which is an area scientists are still tying to understand about the brain. What I'm getting at is how a robot thinks, or calculates for the proper machine term right now, based upon current technology. Emotions are biologically based. Love, hate, greed... some emotions are hard to translate into a machine. How would you program some of those emotions we take for granted into a machine for that matter? I don't mean situation A makes AI angry, but the very nature of an emotion. What it does, how it affects a being internally and externally, the effects it causes one to take, the way it makes one think and act. A computer can't pick a random number for it requires a forumla code or number generator in order to mathmatically pick a number. The human brain can pick a random number easily. Right now AI's are still programed responses. There are some made to learn, but they are still a far cry from processes the human mind does.

That's not saying it isn't possible for a machine take over. There are aspects that I think are possible, but in relation to a Terminator like take over, I have different thoughts. Again, I'm not saying it's impossible, just pointing out that it seems for this to happen, AI's will really need to advance to the point they have the same thinking ability, not calcualting, but have actual thinking ability of a biological human brain.

I think we will see many different robotic personalities in the future. I look forward to the positives even though there are some grim realities opened up by this. It's possible we will see even aggresive ones used for warfare. Unmaned aircrafts are alrady in use, and there is a unmaned Jet Boeing has created right now that is paving the way for future warfare. It has been dicussed on Discovery Channel about a AI that could be used for interigation. A person is placed into a chamber which is controled by a AI. This AI tortures the person and keeps them alive until the information needed is extracted. The person could be in this machine for months and be kept alive by the machine. There is also the idea of a machine that is a replicating matter eater that would, in far fetched theory, consume the whole world with time.

Personally I look forward to robots like Robby. I like my robots metal. Guess I'm old fashioned

The HAL situation is one that is very possible. I'm sure there will be accidents in the future. These accidents happen with any type of technology that is ment to be an aid in human work. We learn by trial and error. You can predict possible situations, but you can't predict all situations that will happen with a given product of technology. This is where those built in fail safe devices will be used. Sure, there might be a situation where the fail safe does more harm than good, but again, these are accidents that happen with any technology. Nothing's perfect. We're only human, and machines are only machines.

OK, that gave me the creeps. Seriously.

Well, is this not an aspect worth mentioning in this discussion? It might be creepy, but that is only one aspect of AI's or robotics in how they can be used to achive certian types of information. The machinie is only doing what it is programed to attain. It keeps the body alive, but inflicts pain and suffereing on the person while keeping them alive in the process of gaining what information it can attain. In a way, it's physically "hacking" a person though the use of physical stress in an isolated chamber.

Yeah, but didn't the Fonz beat Robby at one time

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