Logansneo Wrote: they will remain this way, as they should!

I disagree. I think the movie would be improved if they were able to go back in and clean up some of the flickering, imperfect matte lines. They are artifacts of limited resources, time and techniques, not an artistic choice or something. I expect Lisberger would be happy to have those edges fixed if they were able to get the money for it. I know I would be.

It also might make the original more accessible to new viewers who might be turned off by what they might perceive as sloppy, cheap effects.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillwhere to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online

binaryzero Wrote:i'd rather have the time capsule aspect that shows how risky and forward thinking Tron was even if the flaws show.

Agreed! And furthermore, I don't think we need to re-visit and re-render / upgrade every film that has ever been made, just because we might have the technology to do so. Ted Turner began the colorization movement in the 80's and that turned into a debacle of epic proportions! If it was an easy fix, don't you think Lisberger would have taken care of it in this edition of TRON?where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

binaryzero Wrote: cirlin Wrote: I disagree. I think the movie would be improved if they were able to go back in and clean up some of the flickering, imperfect matte lines. They are artifacts of limited resources, time and techniques, not an artistic choice or something. I expect Lisberger would be happy to have those edges fixed if they were able to get the money for it. I know I would be. It also might make the original more accessible to new viewers who might be turned off by what they might perceive as sloppy, cheap effects. it comes down to how mainly. none of the original elements exist at disney anymore. the cells are out there and in the hands of many collectors, some of the probably damaged or gone. so to handle the matte lines essentially you'd need to hire a team of artists to touchup or redo all the backgrounds. every character would need to be rotoscoped all over again for two purposes: 1.) fixing the mattes 2.) flickering - which means having to use color correction to fix the levels on a frame by frame basis to even out the exposure. that's not counting background element flickering either or 'fixing' the circuitry glows, poly tearing or aliasing in the cg, etc. as said earlier, where do we draw the line? the amount or work, time, and money that would need to go into it for what? as much as this film is a deep part of my life, i can also see how that kind of investment doesn't really have much return on it. plus if they did do a special edition, how many people here would have showed up to the magic kingdom with torches and pitchforks? i'd rather have the time capsule aspect that shows how risky and forward thinking Tron was even if the flaws show.

I know what would be involved, and I never said it would be easy or cheap. I only said that if the investment was available it would improve the movie. Your earlier statement implied an aesthetic and/or sentimental reason for not fixing the visual problems, and I disagree with that sentiment. I don't think the changes would happen anytime soon, but I would welcome them if they did.

Also, where did you hear about the loss of the original film elements?

I think I understand what your after. You want someone to concede that the powers that be should have gone "all-out" with TRON and not just done a full clean-up and color correction, which by the way was substantial, but made it a total restoration and digital upgrade as well. And as cool as that might have been to see, we've go to face the facts. They are never going to spend that kind of money on a film like TRON!

Honestly, we're damn lucky we got such an amazing blu-ray as it is! And your emphasizing that you know it would probably cost a fortune to restore TRON completely, effectively negates your argument. With the diminishing returns on such a large investment, especially when compared against sales of other titles that Disney alone sells and taking their current conservative approach with the original TRON into account, I highly doubt they would authorize such a risky endeavor. It cost Warner Bros. over 1 million dollars fully restoring My Fair Lady for the DVD that was released 13 years ago, for a film that had NO special effects and received the exact same treatment TRON did get for this blu-ray. I'm sure it would cost 10 times that amount to "fix" TRON's digital issues. And how many more people do you think would buy it after that who haven't already?

For those I know that have seen TRON who have been less than enthusiastic about the film, their biggest gripe with it has always been how slow the movie was. They thought it looked cool but should have moved faster and got boring, which is something that cannot be fixed with any amount of special effects trickery of restoration. My point is that people who don't GET TRON, won't get TRON! The digital upgrade we got IS Tron Legacy!

I sympathize with you feelings that more could have or should have been done with the original TRON, but as it usually is in life, and as stated by the great sages The Rolling stones, "You can't always get what you want..."where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

Logansneo Wrote: QUORRA Wrote:OFF-TOPIC: Byteman and/or everyone/anyone here, I need a big big favor guys... Unfortunately, I'm not buying the Blu-ray edition of my beloved TRON anywhere soon, so I want to ask if you could please be so kind as to check out one specific scene for me... The very first time Alan and Lora arrive at FLYNN'S we see a small white sign next to the big red neon sign... I want to know the names of the video games there, but on my 20th anniversary edition DVD, its almost indistinguishable... Please... From top to bottom, I think: Space Paranoids Code Wars -can't read- Astro Gunner Matrix Blaster It was still pretty damn hard to see, and I had to re-watch the arcade scene a few times to get the game names they had on the walls as references but I think that's fairly accurate. There might be something in the production photos/materials in the bonus features about it.

Thanx Logansneo... I too could come up with 4 of them (Space Paranoids, Vice Squad, Matrix Blaster and Astro Gunner) but the one in the middle is the one I'm looking for) It's a shame one cannot clearly read the videogames' names not even in the Blu-ray HD version of TRON!
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QUORRA Wrote: ......It's a shame one cannot clearly read the videogames' names not even in the Blu-ray HD version of TRON!

It's a combination of different problems that cause those words to be unclear, even in blu-ray including lighting, focal-point, and camera movement, the last being the biggest contributor in making those words unreadable. We did our best though!
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