I just don't see how you can hate on who people respect. I'm sure that EVERYONE on this board respects those who are in the very professions you mentioned.

But, Jedi Unit, can you name all the firefighters and police officers in your neighborhood?

Now, can you name the main actors from the Star Wars Trilogy?

Celebrity has been and always will be a part of the public conscious...period. Some are jerks, sure, but as I've - and DaveTRON - said, you can find jerks in every profession and every walk of life.

Celebrities bring people together. Look at this site!!! We all love and respect Tron and everyone that brought that film to life.

By your reasoning, we should all be ashamed to have Tron-Sector because we're glamorizing Hollywood people and not our local teachers/police officers/firefighters/etc.

But to make you happy, here's this: To Mrs. Carolyn Young, my 7th Grade Advanced World Geography teacher, you were the best teacher I ever had and encouraged me to be the best I could be in all that I ever did or will do. You encouraged my theater and you made me feel okay with myself when others deemed me a geek or nerd because I made straight As all through school. I'm glad you're still teaching - now at my former high school - so that students still get someone who makes them shoot for the stars.

That better?

Dude, I'm not even mad or upset! Taking a chill pill is unnecessary.

But your tone comes off as very uppity, and I don't dig that.

Do we pay respect to the actors of the film? Have you seen the David Warner/Syd Mead Birthday threads? YES! We do pay respect to the actors here! Because we respect their work and the contributions they made to the film. Have they ever sent me a Happy Birthday wish or card? Nope. But I'm happy to share in the well-wishing for people who I respect. David Warner is an incredible actor and his work is always solid, always well-thought out and always believable. That's a hard thing to do. It's all in the delivery - the thoughts BEHIND the dialogue - and that's an incredible skill to craft. I have mad respect for any actor who can achieve that time after time (pun intended). Not just anyone can do it. Syd Mead is an amazing designer - a man whose work has influenced virtually EVERY sci-fi film/game/comic since he worked on Tron and Blade Runner. He unleashes his creativity into every project he gets involved with and has been a catalyst for many would-be architects, designers and engineers. Anyone who can do that - can spark people to chase their dreams - is worthy of my respect.

You contradict yourself in many of the things you say. You say you're not telling people who to respect, yet you have a post saying you can't believe people would respect Hollywood actors, like we're philistines for doing so. Where am I reading something differently in your responses? You seem pretty obvious that you have no love for actors in Hollywood (and no, I don't take that as a personal assault on me just because I act - I know you don't mean it that way).

And I just want to say that I'm pretty sure that Police and Fire Stations have been around longer than Star Wars, yo! Something tells me they've been here since before 1977! I have friends who do both as well, by the way!

I'm not mad at you and I'm not trying to make you change your opinion - it's a free country and to each his/her own - but you make statements that sound like you can't believe anyone would even think about saying they respect the work of an actor and I think that's wrong. Not your opinion, but telling others that there is something wrong with who they respect.

You're clearly confusing "respect" with "appreciate." You may meld the two into one and cast it about like candy, but I don't. I measure whom I give respect to, on an individual level and on a instituional level. I don't respect Hollywood's jet set celebrities. I don't have to. Just because their profession is to sell entertainment doesn't entitle them to unconditional respect, and even more importantly, I don't owe them respect on account of your wish to partake in that profession and you being uptight at reading my opinions I'm presenting perfectly civil and rightful to.

I have mad respect for Morgan Freeman. I have MAD respect for Steve Buscemi (after all, he went back to his fire station during the 9/11 attacks and helped get people out). I have mad respect for Harrison Ford, since he's part of the reason I even got into acting (which is NOT my profession, by the way - I'm the State Communications Director for the American Heart Association). But I don't LOVE every single person in the profession. I can't stand Matthew Lillard and Freddie Prinze, Jr., for example. And I NEVER said they deserve unconditional respect. But, due to their body of work, there are many actors I respect.

Look at Sidney Poitier. Do you think it was easy for him to say "They call me MISTER Tibbs"? Nope. Not in the 1960s during the civil rights movement. But he believed in the message of "In the Heat of the Night" and made a statement for African Americans all across this great land of ours. He made a name for himself and for Black America by standing up for his rights as a human being and using his celebrity status to bring a face to t

How is my stating "I don't see how an average person can respect actors in general" equate into saying I don't believe in fact you do or can?

"I don't see how" and "I don't believe" aren't that different! At least not to me!

Okay, let's look at your Hollywood statement vs. your police officers. Where were the great police officers when they were beating blacks in the streets during the Watts riots? Where were they when blacks were forced to the back of the bus? Where were they when blacks were being hit with firehoses in the streets? Oh, yeah, I forgot, they WERE THE ONES DOING IT! Amos and Andy was wrong - I'll freely admit that - but it wasn't near what these actions were...period. Hollywood isn't perfect, but I find more that artists tend to strive to make changes than politicians, those who sent the police officers to do these atrocities. That's all I'll say on that.

I'm not saying Sidney Poitier is SOLELY responsible for the Civil Rights movement - far from - rather that he used his celebrity to help promote awareness and give the cause another champion. And I said that I can safely RESPECT someone for doing that.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth - and I don't feel PERSONALLY attacked. All I care about is that you made a statement that to me was a minor slap in the face to the people who'd posted in this thread. So they respect actors? So you don't? We all can respect who we want! So you don't agree with the fact that I respect certain actors/athletes/musicians for their contributions to the world of theater/film, sports and music? That's fine.

But don't question others' values or thoughts. That's the whole reason why I've said anything to you in this thread.

I apologize if I've come off as a jerk - which to you I'm sure I have. That was not, nor ever was, my intention.

But I can admit I was wrong. You just keep coming up with excuses. Jeez! You even went so far as to take my Star Wars comment and turn it into a history lesson on your neighborhood. It was a hypothetical question, not meant to be taken so literally!

I can "enjoy" actor's so-called "work

And I'll say this - if you think acting is easy - try it. And not just being "Spear Carrier #3" in Hamlet. Try developing a character with a mental deficiency and do it without creating a caractiture of a real person. I did, and it was one of the most challenging things I've ever done in my 20+ years of acting. Now imagine being in front of millions of people and doing it for live television or for a film that will be seen around the world. It may not be strapping on assault gear (unless you're in Black Hawk Down or something!) but it's work. It can be damn hard work creating a person that people are supposed to believe in.

The point I'm trying to make in all of this is actually quite simple: I do believe, as I know others on this board do, that you can respect an actor. Why? Well, there are many reasons - personal or otherwise. Me? I can respect actors as a fellow actor as I can respect the craft they develop when creating memorable characters - creating backgrounds for these people, mannerisms, accents, impediments, etc. - for stage and screen. But I can also respect what celebrities in general can MEAN to the populace.

Case in point - Billy Joel is my all-time favorite musician for very personal reasons. But one reason why I respect him is what he did for the 9/11 concert in New York City. He came out and played two perfect songs - Miami 2017 (Seen the Lights Go Out on Broadway) and New York State of Mind. When he played those songs, he let the world know what we all were feeling. Miami 2017 tells about seeing the world as we know it come to an end, yet rising up from the ashes to find what's good in it still. New York State of Mind just expressed what everyone who lives in that city felt - that no matter what happens, NYC is the greatest city and its pewhere to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online

Good turn.

But I can admit I was wrong. You just keep coming up with excuses. Jeez!

I can admit when I'm wrong too.... when I am. But, I'm not merely excusing my prior statements. What you see as "excuses" are in fact "substance for having a point of view." Would you prefer that a person adjust his views per occation and company or have the integrity of saying what he means and mean what he says? I know which one I prefer.

You even went so far as to take my Star Wars comment and turn it into a history lesson on your neighborhood. It was a hypothetical question, not meant to be taken so literally!

I think the first miscontrusion was the largest and context was lost there more than any other point in this exchange... your taking challenge with my introduction of a simple premise, that generally speaking public respect was a bit liberally applied to celebrity actors. It was something made in passing and expected to be taken in stride through the conversation, not intended to bring it to a skreeching halt and be disected alive in the street. I'm perfectly happy explaining the rationale behind my views, but prefer as yourself it not to come off so... damning.

I offer a truce

Unconditionally accepted.

I have some replies to make about yours you knocked back into my side of the court, but I'll just let the ball hit the ground volunteerily. I'd rather go the extra mile to not come off as ranting even when I'm certain that I'm not but it appears to be viewed otherwise.

An important note, I didn't make my intial comment thinking it something that could only be said when no actors were listening. I would make the same comment standing at the podium of the Academy Awards without reservation, if I felt there was a point to be gained. So, please don't feel as though you needed to represent something you think I had come to hasty, inconsiderate conclusions about, because I assure you, I make no opinion known that hasn't been mulled over with all considerations already.

Good luck with your acting career nonetheless. Just in the event you become a big-time celebrity actor, brushing shoulders with the REAL uppities that are hard for you to dig, just remind yourself to keep your profession and ego in healthy perspective, and just like a cop, fireman, or teacher, you're still not only able to be replaced, but being replaced is a pop-culture inevitability the other occupations are not subject to. I'm sure you already knew what I mean.

I just wish the title of this thread said something more like "Movies that made me think cooler of actors I once didn't like", or something like that. The word "respect" furrowed my brow, that's all.

Anyway, glad that's behind us.

Wow....I've actually started people talking about stufff.....

Well, we'll see now that we're actually getting back on topic.

I saw that!

Apperantly, later, Crispin was on the Dave Letterman show again, and they showed him the clip. Crispin explained that he was acting like his character in Rubin & Ed, and he apologized for the craziness.


Except, Crispin Glover is always playing crazy characters! One of my favorites is his character in River's Edge. COMPLETE INSANITY!! YAY!!

I had it on the computer at one point or another...but I think I must have deleted it to make room for his crazy and messed up music videos.


....crazy and messed up music videos......