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Gridlord
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Tuesday, October, 29, 2013 2:04 PM
Well, I have my own preferences as to merging Legacy with Tron 2.0, though all the ideas here do work fine and if they became official canon, I'd be happy with it. Personally, I'd like 2.0 put AFTER Legacy, including the whole merger business as well as Flynn leaving ENCOM. People tend to feel very strongly about Flynn's sacrifice, so they don't like the possibility of Kevin returning. However I feel his greatest sacrifice was being forced to choose between two "sons" even more than sacrificing his own life. Now this isn't the thread to discuss such things I know, but I though I'd convey my thinking before my ideas are dismissed as idiotic.

That being said, there's a lot less explaining to do if we assume Kevin made it out of the digital realm. Laura's fate would remain a mystery as it was after 2.0 and Ghost in the Machine. Tron Killer App for GBA could take place before the events of Tron Evolution as I don't think they mentioned Mercury had met Jet as of yet. My opinion is the evil User had to either be Dillinger or somebody who works for him. The biggest flaw in my ideas is of course is if and when a Legacy sequel is released, it could contradict some if not all of my ideas.abortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion


 
KingJ.exe
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Tuesday, October, 29, 2013 3:47 PM
My goal in this TRON Theory was to integrate every piece of TRON media with each other while changing as little as possible, which is why I want to keep 2.0 set in 2003, becuase the dates have to be MAJORLY changed to set it after Legacy (see my other post on dating Legacy and the creation of the Grid). This is also why I want to take "Ghost in the Machine" as it is as well. The hard part with THAT little chestnut is figuring out what was Jet.exe hallucination, and what was REAL.

Right now, the hard part with 2.0 Killer App (GBA) is figuring out WHEN it happened. Now I need to rewatch a TRON 2.0 playthough and analyze what Mercury says, and where it would fit best.

So, given all that, what do you think is up with Tron in 2.0, where is he? Does Killer App (GBA) happen before or after in your opinion? Cuz if we can figure this out, I will integrate it into the TRON Theory.

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Gridlord
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Tuesday, October, 29, 2013 4:23 PM
As far as Tron's location in Kill App, I think he was in the original server where the original Tron movie takes place. That would put the game around 1985 I think. Many of the Recognizers in Killer App look like the recognizers from the original Tron and by Tron Evolution they were all replaced with the new version, which supports my theory. Afterword, Tron was moved from that server to the Grid from Legacy in the late 80's, but Mercury was left behind.

As far as Ghost in the Machine, I honestly was never sure how much of the story is actually happening and how much is taking place within Jet v2's head. Personally I started getting disappointed in the story after they brought in the whole Alice in Wonderland bunny into the story.


 
KingJ.exe
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Thursday, October, 31, 2013 12:27 AM
According to TRON: Evolution, Tron was moved over to the TRON System at the start, in 1983. November 3rd, I believe. See my post on dating events for more on the exact day.

That idea kinda works, but I think it needs to have some purpose in the overarching narrative. I don't like throwaway stories, which is why I treated Ghost in the Machine the way I did.

What I think is going to be most plausible is that the mysterious user is Edward Dillinger Sr., making his first attempt at bringing down ENCOM and getting the Digitizing project. When he was repulsed initially, he turned to a more complex plan.

Tron, however, is still an issue. Maybe we can address it by just saying that circa 2003, the program had been shelved. Not deleted, but archived and inactive. Thus, Jet's quip that he was "retired."

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Gridlord
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Thursday, October, 31, 2013 12:56 AM
Well, I know Flynn had the Grid isolated eventually, but is it possible that at one point he had the Grid networked with the ENCOM system to make transferring files easier? I mean back then all we had were floppies which couldn't carry much data. Could it be that while the Grid was networked with the ENCOM system, Tron was used to resolve a security issue in the ENCOM server?


 
KingJ.exe
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Thursday, October, 31, 2013 11:36 AM
No, I don't think so. The reason I think it's improbable is that nobody knew about the TRON system. Absolutely nobody. If it was coneccted to the Encom system at any time except for maybe at night (I can see Flynn sneaking around with a hard drive or two under his arm, copying over programs he liked/needed), Alan, Roy, Dillingr Jr. (if he was around then) or any other computer geek worth their RAM would find it in a nanocycle.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillwhere to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

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Gridlord
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Thursday, October, 31, 2013 12:37 PM
Question. Remember in the first Tron, in the opening scenes when Flynn was trying to hack the system using Clu 1.0 from his arcade? Forgive my ignorance of computers at the time since I was a child and the computer we had was an Atari 400, but how was Flynn "hacking" the system? Through a phone modem? Whatever the method, wouldn't in be possible that Flynn could use the same method to send Tron into the ENCOM system temporarily to remove a threat?


 
KingJ.exe
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Thursday, October, 31, 2013 3:00 PM
I wasn't alive at the time, so bear with my ignorance as well.

While that is a possibility, remember that Alan was directly working on the issue. The minute he saw Tron on the system, he would more than likey ask "What the Server is TRON doing in there?" And then Flynn is exposed again. I see it far more likely that Flynn copied Tron, leaving a duplicate on the ENCOM 511 system, which was eventually retired and put away when technology moved forward.

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Gridlord
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Thursday, October, 31, 2013 3:56 PM
That's right, I wasn't even thinking about Alan talking in the game. Considering that there's no way it would make sense. I don't really like the solution, but I can't think of anything other than there being two copies of Tron.


 
KingJ.exe
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Thursday, October, 31, 2013 4:07 PM
Gridlord Wrote:That's right, I wasn't even thinking about Alan talking in the game. Considering that there's no way it would make sense. I don't really like the solution, but I can't think of anything other than there being two copies of Tron.

You have an issue with more Tron? What's wrong with you?!? :P

I'm going to update the first post with this information right now.

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Gridlord
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Thursday, October, 31, 2013 4:17 PM
Lol! Well at least copies of a program are realistic. I enjoy the idea of making different stories fit, but there's some solutions that can fix virtually ANY solution. One of those is clones. People love using close to explain things in different stories including on the Star Wars boards. So, I would say the reason using copies, or clones to explain things is bothersome to me is because its like a joker card. It can fit almost any solution and therefore its too easy. But besides saying that Flynn zapped Alan with one of those devices from Men in Black I really can't think of a better one in this case.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion


 
KingJ.exe
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Thursday, October, 31, 2013 4:26 PM
I would argue that due to the nature of the universe, copies work better in TRON than they do other places. I can understand your hesitancy to use them though! I also have things that I don't like using when merging things like this together. Throwing out certain events as dreams or not having meaning being one of them *abortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion

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Gridlord
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Friday, November, 01, 2013 12:54 AM
Oh yeah, dreams! Dreams are definitely a joker card! But you're right, programs can really be copied in real life. And for a User its quite easy.. Also in favor of this, the games are actually named "Tron 2.0" Possibly alluding to a second Tron. I really enjoy your idea of having Ghost in the Machine research leading to Laura's resurrection by the way.

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CUPRO
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Sunday, November, 03, 2013 11:55 AM
One theory (which is probably stupid) that I have about the Tron "clone", is maybe since Flynn activated Tron in the ENCOM server, Alan felt that he owed Flynn. So he gave Flynn the algorithms needed to create a replica of Tron, to help protect Flynn's server.



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KingJ.exe
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Sunday, November, 03, 2013 9:54 PM
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lurkinghorror
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RE: The TRON Theory

on Wednesday, November, 06, 2013 11:34 AM
A key important thing to remember with any Tron material is that each computer system can have its own independent reality. So the Ghost in the Machine material takes place on an independent system. Nothing in that story happened outside the computer, save the god-like User at the very end. Retroactively, the material in 2.0 could easily be a part of this virtual reality - which was part of the intention at the time of the writing of the comic.

Consequently, there is very little within Ghost in the Machine that cannot easily fit in with the current film continuity. Sam and Jet, while clearing being a bit to much analogous of each other, experience different "universes".

There are a few wildcards, I admit. I very much like the Lora recreation motivation. That said, the series is a framework for an experiment to bring a computer program into our reality as a living being. It's a logical extrapolation of the research being developed in the first film. There being any point beyond the "Let's attempt to develop this technology" is a nice bit that serves to tie everything together, but isn't structurally necessary as scientific research would reasonably serve as a primary motivation.

The more interesting question for me is: What happens when you can make a computer program real? That was to be the follow-up comic (though I would have preferred our originally planned movie prequel comic - Rise of the MCP).

Realistically, the ability to create life in any form we conceive, with any imperative we program, is pretty likely the end of the world as we know it.

Anyway... unlike most franchises the nebulous reality that exists with the digital world concept allows for a much more fluid canon than most properties. How much of what Flynn experienced is literal? Same with Jet and Sam? How much of the real world material is reality or instead a disguised virtual reality?

The digital realm is not a place where tiny people run around and have tiny electric adventures. It is a world of information, one shaped and reshaped by the mind of the User immersed within it. Which is great if you're a reasonably creative and well adjusted person, but potential hell if you're even slightly broken.


 
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