Piggybacking 2.0 and Legacy canons is VERY easy, actually. The only hiccup? Lora has been established as very much alive in the Legacy canon per the Flynn Lives ARG. (More on that in a bit.)

It helps immensely that Ghost in the machine mentions Flynn apparently went nuts and vanished. It also helps that several emails mention Tron went missing (and is nowhere to be found in 2.0's material), with I-No only offering the tantalizing bit that he "disappeared" shortly after defeating Master Control, with no one in any system knowing what his fate was. Add in the emails on Alan's PC implying that Flynn had a hand in the disappearance....

The correction algorithms of 2.0 could also explain a few things about Flynn's baffling behavior and his apparently horrible treatment of his friends. Say the MCP crashed, taking the digitization protocols with him in a final act of spite. Encom has to rebuild it from square one. However, as Master Control decided to send Flynn to cyberspace, it means that Flynn's pattern was already stored. But without those algorithms? Well, he was the only one who could make that trip safely. Anyone else who tried would end up like Thorne or worse. Misplaced nobility, an unwillingness to harm his friends, and an ego the size of Texas kept Flynn's beak shut, and allowed one of those lasers to "vanish" to his arcade's basement. He was working on those algorithms from the inside. The Grid wasn't just a oversized game, it was an attempt to find ways to bridge the worlds. The Isos just threw an even bigger monkey wrench into things because they seem to be something half-organic and half-digital. Flynn cracks the algorithms with the help of the Isos, but things aren't going so well, Clu decides he's better off in charge, and makes a "now or never" strike to keep the Grid for himself, and try and use those algorithms as a way out.

Now, I come to a dreadful idea...What if Mr. Perfection had some help that Flynn didn't know about? F-Con's CEO is never seen. He speaks through a PA system and uses a remote control camera. Now, Monolith implied that CEO to be Dillinger Sr. However, "The Next Day" throws an infinitely more interesting possibility on the table. Future Control Industries may be the first company run by an AI. (Crown would be the most likely to know. Popoff's a 50-50 shot of knowing. Baza...probably not). And if it IS Master Control 2.0? Well, wouldn't that just be dramatic irony? He gets to finish what he wanted to do in that basement lab; trap that annoying smartass in cyberspace, break him, and then finish him off. There's a bit in Legacy where Sam goes down to the basement; the keys in the lock are shiny and new, not covered with 20 years of corrosion; someone else has been there.
So, Flynn vanishes. Encom is thrown to chaos. Alan's holding the line best he can, but things are falling apart on every front. And he starts some work in secret; not just the Flynn Lives stuff with his double life as ISOLasted Thinker, but ramping up the Math Assistant AI project. This would be the primary reason things are so horribly strained with Jet in this timeline. Keeping all those fires put out? A double life? Ground breaking computer science work? Sam acting out and being a handful? Well, it would be WAY too easy for Jet to become lost in the shuffle, a non-emergency priority that gets attention (and affection) only when there's not some immediate fire to put out (which is rare at best). Jet isn't Sam; he is perfectly capable of acting out and causing trouble, but not on the regular basis, and not to the same extent. That hacking the server arrest was probably a not-very-productive way to try and get his dad's attention. Alan is ostensibly doing all this to carry on for a fallen friend, and so Jet and Sam have a future. That's why he pushes Sam to take over the company and tried to pull strings to get Jet into a higher position than game design. (Relations between them are almost as rocky as things between Tron and Beck...but that's a scary-ass plot bunny.)

So where's Lora in this equation? Well, she's alive in Legacy canon, so we can't go with a strict interpretation of 2.0, which killed her off. (Ms. Morgan rather objected to that, anyway) The last we saw her was in Betrayal, headed for DC, and in the Flynn Lives ARG which established that she's still there and that the Bradleys are somehow making a 30-year bi-coastal marriage work. (Good on them, really. Sorry, slashers!) Say that Encom ditched the laser project for being too expensive and time consuming to bother rebuilding, but somewhere like the DoD or NASA would be highly interested in that kind of stuff. They bribe her out there for what's supposed to be a few month contract...and it keeps getting pushed back. This is her life's work. She wants to see it through, but it's pretty much cost her seeing much of Alan or Jet.

Keep the lab accident where she was "partly digitized," but downgrade from fatality to injury. Up to the author if it looks like she recovered or if she still has lingering health issues from it (I take the latter). But part of her was left behind and that part was eventually compiled into Ma3a, making her something more like a light-sided Clu. No one's really aware of this, though Alan may suspect that Ma3a is a lot more than she seems.

Push the timeline for 2.0 up a little bit; set it a few months before Legacy instead of 2003. Mackey wants his golden parachute and one-way ticket to the Caymans. The rest of the board isn't invested in the company, aside from making the next quick buck. They forced Roy out. they gave Alan a token title, a token budget, and busywork, trying to get him to take the hint. Alan's too damn stubborn to give them what they want, and keeps giving them the subtle middle finger by working on his AI research (which makes Mackey's eyes glaze over - too many big words that don't involve stock prices). Board's split on the sale to F-Con, with half wanting their golden parachute and the other half smelling a rat. Junior refuses to cast a vote either way. So, F-Con tried to force the issue by kidnapping Alan, part to intimidate him into approving the deal, part to get what they really want - the digitizer tech. They just were not expecting Ma3a to kidnap Jet and turn him into a walking spanner into the works.

2.0 plays out. There are still a fair amount of Wraiths that were probably trapped in the system by the server crash. F-Con probably nuked and paved over their data before shooting the three big shots in, and they're still on a hard drive somewhere. Alan cuts Master Control 2.0 off in mid-threat, and successfully convinces Jet to keep his beak shut; at least until after Sam pulls the annual prank. ("If he hears about this, that all those stories his father told were true? Do you want him breaking into Ma3a's laser lab, zapping himself in, and getting himself killed?")

Few months later, annual check-in goes through and Sam is releasing Encom OS12 to the Internet, not getting himself shot to 1s and 0s. Mischief managed, aside from that pager going off. Alan goes over, trying to talk Sam into coming with him, but it looks like Sam's not going to bite. But Alan leaves, Sam goes over anyway. Events of Legacy happen. I figured Alan was going to head to the arcade on his own, but he stopped to make some phone calls and send some emails to appropriate parties first, meaning he was delayed in getting there. Due to the time distortion, the whole thing played out by the time it took him to make those calls and emails. abortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion

I can't say much, but the Tron 2.0 Single-Player expansion User Error 3 may address ... some ... of these questions.

KingJ.exe Wrote:Now, Koz has said that at least in his headspace, TRON 2.0 is resigned to the world of non-canon. E.G., alternate universe with no connection to Legacy. This includes "Ghost in the Machine", which was pretty darn cool, in my opinon. Personally, I think everything can all fit together fine, with minor tweaks and connecting dialouge. And I shall explain it all, with dates. 1982: TRON happens. Alan and Lora get married, Jethro Bradley is born, and Kevin Flynn rockets up to be the president of ENCOM. ENCOM is still experimenting with digitization, but since the MCP was destroyed, they lost correction algorithms that made sure things digitized properly. Since Kevin was in the MCP beam as it exploded, these algorithms were placed in his DNA, in his code. Thus, things work fine whenever he tries to digitize, or when he's in the system, thus why his Disk was the master key in Legacy. However, in the 80s, it's all but impossible to extract anything meaningful from DNA. So ENCOM had to recreate it from scratch. During this time, Lora gets a job offer from Washington, which she takes (TRON: Betrayal). However, she was essential to the project, so she continues to work on it via correspondence. 1989-2003: During this time, Alan and Lora continued to work on the correction algorithms, resulting in Ma1a. However, it was imperfect, so Lora came back from Washington to work on it in person. In a digitization accident, she is fragmentally digitized into the system. Fragments of her data are used in Ma2a and Ma3a, Alan's way of trying to keep her alive. The correction algoriths were perfected in Ma3a.

All great ideas, even though I never played TRON 2.0. I'm acutely aware of the game's premise. Since you said that the algorithms were placed in his DNA and ENCOM had to rebuild this from scratch entirely, there is one major problem with this.

How do you explain Sam being able to get in his father's Grid with ease since he didn't have the algorithms in his body (ie. born with algorithms from his father's DNA is a massive cop out so I'm not buying it at all).

The other thing is that if they lump in the 2.0-verse into Tron 3, it's going to confuse the audience even more. Especially the original TRON fans who have never played the PC game as well. That would frustrate them as well. Putting Jet Bradley in there is like pulling a "Roland Emmerich" via Independence Day as in lumping in so many characters at once.

The focus is supposed to be on Sam, Quorra, Alan and most likely Dillinger Jr. And since Koz said it would be like his Empire Strikes Back rendition, it appears to me that it might have CLU returning to the fold, OR MCP 2.0 lurking in the background.

Someone on this thread mentioned the MCP as behind the communication between him and Dillinger, Jr. That much is obvious. However, the "Ghost in the Machine" concept is not new and therefore, I would put my money that it is HIS father inside the system on purpose to stay alive. His father may have escaped from the 'real world' to hide out and operate a rival company as an AI via F-CON corporate raiding, etc. This would make a lot of sense now that Quorra would be the 'real world' version of TRON as she might have the gift of detecting/sensing programs from outside and with her ability to compute.

In fact, I would suspect that Quorra would become the 'power' behind ENCOM's new resurgence in the market and Sam's "secret weapon" one in which Dillinger Jr would be very jealous of and attempt to . . .'steal'. OR under orders by MCP 2.0 to trick her into working on data in a room where she gets digitized and trapped to be MCP 2.0's prisoner or latest acquisition.

Think about it .

Pilgrim1099 Wrote: How do you explain Sam being able to get in his father's Grid with ease since he didn't have the algorithms in his body (ie. born with algorithms from his father's DNA is a massive cop out so I'm not buying it at all).

Simple. Kevin's Disk was the Master Key. It was in the system. The algorithms were present, in the system, in such a way that the laser could access them. Sam rezzes in, bada-bing, bada-boom. Kevin's in the system. Now, since Kevin gave his disk to Sam and Quorra and sacrificed himself, the algorithms are now part of the system itself, so digitization and realization are just fine now, at least in the TRON system.

I think the shiny key thing can be explained simply: Some one went in, and messed around in there, but didn't digitize. That is, IF it's intentional. That way, nothing is noticed on-grid.

Pilgrim1099 Wrote: How do you explain Sam being able to get in his father's Grid with ease since he didn't have the algorithms in his body (ie. born with algorithms from his father's DNA is a massive cop out so I'm not buying it at all).

It's not that far fetched. Ghu knows what repeated digitizations were doing to him. They hinted a bit at this in Betraya and in GitM; the erratic, obsessive behavior, the disconnect from the analog world.

Plus, you only usually hear this from audiophiles, but you take something from an analog medium, like a concert recording or a vinyl record. When you digitize it (say, recording your old vinyl to CD or MP3), you are taking millions of samples per second. But there are "gaps" between those samples that the computer fills in. Now, you can do all kinds of things with that file; clean up imperfections, boost the bass, adjust the treble...but you record it back onto analog media, and it's not really the same. Your ears will still hear the Daft Punk album, probably better than before, but it's not a continuous thing, it's the product of billions of samples taken apart and rearranged. Do this enough times, and you could end up with something very different than the analog album you started with.

Pilgrim1099 Wrote:The other thing is that if they lump in the 2.0-verse into Tron 3, it's going to confuse the audience even more. Especially the original TRON fans who have never played the PC game as well. That would frustrate them as well. Putting Jet Bradley in there is like pulling a "Roland Emmerich" via Independence Day as in lumping in so many characters at once.

Not necessarily. Played 2.0 after playing Legacy and thought it could be turned into a graphic novel, ARG, or even Expanded U novel. And Star Wars is a counter example to your Independence Day. Star Wars has TONS of characters in just Episodes 4&5. Calrissian was introduced in the last act of ESB, and he was still able to make enough of an impression to being him back for RotJ. Boba Fett didn't even need more than a dozen lines to become the mimetic badass of the EU.

Jet would pretty much be a tailor-made Lancer to Sam's hero. A decent author could cover a few miles with well-written dialogue. (Oh, ok. Lora and Alan's kid. Video game designer. Ok, with Alan being surrogate dad, it means these two grew up together and got into all kinds of trouble.) Mercury wouldn't need too much explanation, either. Ma3a would be the biggest pain in the tail.

If we had Master Control 2.0/Dillinger Sr as the antagonist, then F-Con wouldn't need a lot of explanation, either. Oh. That's his company, those three are his dragons, he tried the takeover once. Jet and Alan barely stopped him, but he still has an army in there with him.

Pilgrim1099 Wrote:Someone on this thread mentioned the MCP as behind the communication between him and Dillinger, Jr. That much is obvious. However, the "Ghost in the Machine" concept is not new and therefore, I would put my money that it is HIS father inside the system on purpose to stay alive. His father may have escaped from the 'real world' to hide out and operate a rival company as an AI via F-CON corporate raiding, etc. This would make a lot of sense now that Quorra would be the 'real world' version of TRON as she might have the gift of detecting/sensing programs from outside and with her ability to compute.

Yeah, I was thinking something like this. Dillinger zaps himself in, everyone thinks he's dead or the guy no one sees. Reality is that he's something like Ma3a was in 2.0; an AI merged with a human consciousness.

Pilgrim1099 Wrote:Another thing I noticed is that the keys Alan gave Sam were probably originals. IF those are the master keys to open up the arcade doors, then what keys were those in the lab door? Second hand copies?

I assume Alan had copies of the arcade keys. It seems to me more far-fetched that he wouldn't, than that he would.

1. A lot of people give extra copies of the keys to their homes to friends, family, or neighbors-- in case of necessity, in case of emergency, in case they lose theirs. Why not the also a business? And that's just assuming that a friend as close as Alan wasn't simply considered welcome at the arcade any time, or that Alan didn't have any business dealings at the arcade.

2. Other employees besides Flynn probably had keys to the arcade-- you can't tell me he was always the first one there to open up and the last one there to close down. Even if Alan didn't have his own keys, they'd've been easy to obtain from someone else-- especially since other employees would've turned them in upon the arcade closing. It's also possible Alan might've changed the locks at that time, just in case any sets were still floating around out there, which might mean Flynn's keys wouldn't even work in the doors anymore.

3. If Flynn thought of giving Alan a pager with the instructions to "sleep with it" in case he needed to contact Alan from the Grid... surely he would've also made sure Alan had keys to the arcade to get in and render whatever assistance he needed.

4. We don't know what else is on that key ring (I think there were several, yes?). Those might not even be keys to the public parts of the arcade. Those could be on another ring somewhere; if I were Flynn, I'm not sure I'd keep keys to highly-private areas on the same ring as public areas. He might be more likely to keep them on a personal key ring, perhaps with house keys.

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I can integrate 2.0 for the most part, but Ghost in the Machine, I'm pretty much stripping for parts. The fact it's such a mind screw doesn't help trying to integrate it, and the explanation it gives in the end still doesn't cover all the weird stuff that went on.

However, I REALLY like most of the concepts in it; Jet being a very reluctant User who is hit hard by what he saw and had to do. Ma3a being unstable and realizing she's part Lora. And boy, do I like Clarence. A reality-warping, mind-screwing nasty piece of work who can break a User's mind. He and Dyson would be a scary team-up!

Teaming Tron and Mercury up? Well, that's going to have to go VERY AU in my scenario as well. Yes, there is an attack. Yes, they'll both be fighting it. But it'll be post-Legacy, post 2.0, and things are going to be much less civil.