Honda Enoch Wrote: Kat Wrote:Well, don't keep the secret from the rest of us... At the request of the so-called writer of the comics, the links have been removed. I still have them and will PM them to anyone that PM's me a request.

"So called"?

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Honda Enoch Wrote:Actually, it is very relevant since money is your main hang up on this issue. This is where the problem comes with IP. If I buy a CD it is mine. The music on it is not, but the CD is in fact mine. if I want to share it with my friend It is my property to do so. Same with books, comics videos, ect. In this situation, no I did not buy the comics. I was lucky to find them for free. but once I downloaded them, they became my physical property. I did not claim the art work, story or anything as my own.

My main hang-up on this is complex. I prefer if people economically support the title. I will provide copies myself to people when possible.

However: I understand the need to utilize free distribution. Titles I own I have been very free with. I don't like seeing piracy links though. Piracy is untrackable. And by that I mean we have no gauge for readership and distribution. If I give you comics it's deductible for me. I'd give them away regardless, but I will take the deduction when possible to. Also: It's just nice to be asked. I like the interaction with readers. I like to share the stories. But if I'm not getting paid, I'd at least like to make the choice directly with who and when to share. And maybe make personal connections in the process.

The larger piracy debate is impractical for us to enter. There are pros and there are cons. But whether it is what is best or not, no one likes having decisions forced on them. Not on either side.

Honda Enoch Wrote:Nope All I did was Google search the title I have read all 6 issues and still, even now after this conversation, have not looked on the issues to see the authors name. Why? Because I don't care who wrote them. I didn't read them because of who wrote them. I read them for the story. You claim to be the author. Great.

I don't think you're reading what I am saying. I said you MUST have Googled the books title. You already said did. I'm not saying you care who wrote them. I'm not asking you to care. I'm saying that if you want a copy, why not take the two seconds to investigate who the creator is and ASK. Point is, it costs you nothing to TRY.

Honda Enoch Wrote:Have you ever tried to contact an artist online? Even with FB pages it is damn near impossible. You act like anyone can just go on Google and get an artist email address. Find me Stan Lee's personal email address?

There is a huge difference between most comic writers and Stan Lee. And yes, given my line of work, I have contacted many comics creators. If you're not talking about 90 year old men, they are usually amazingly easy to track down. many of them are very open about sharing their work. It varies from creator to creator of course., But again, doesn't hurt to ask.

Honda Enoch Wrote:Well, now they have your email. My previous post reflects this as well.

Thanks. I appreciate it.

Honda Enoch Wrote:What happened to 1-2?

I just don't have any (well, a few to keep personally). But I do have digital copies on a hardrive here somewhere that I would share under the aforementioned conditions.

Honda Enoch Wrote:Yes, So-called. I don't know you from Adam. To me you are just some name on a forum.

If you read the thread, you will see that another Tron Sector member already mentioned me as the author. I have confirmed this. I'm not suggesting you care who I am or that you should know of me. But if you read the thread, you will have confirmation of my identity.

Not alot to be gained by falsely claiming to be the writer of a comics series you had already bashed, right?

1) I was able to get the comics legitimately from Amazon. Powell's also is pretty good for obscure material like this.

2) The problem with torrents and downloads: Yes, it's a good way to find stuff you absolutely cannot find legitimately. I've downloaded a few cartoons and foreign films that cannot be found in the US. Yes, I will buy the legit versions if/when they show up. The main issue with it; no one gets paid. That's why the media companies freak out. You guys realize that Wreck it Ralph and Tron Legacy were among the top ten pirated movies of their release years?

3) The other nasty part about copyright laws; they are applied with a $#%# sledgehammer. I've been a fanfic writer for well over 20 years - yes, prior to Internet., These were the days where you might score one story for your fandom a month, and it came in the post in plain brown wrappers. There have been some infamous stories in early fandom about a producer or media company hitting the roof over fanfic/fan art. Disney has been one of the WORST companies to ever deal with in that regard. Granted, the main issue is that they really want to protect that wholesome, family-friendly image.

And fanfic has a really bad reputation because the slash, the sexually explicit material, and the really twisted stuff you couldn't explain to grandma gets the press's attention. Even in the fan community, "fanfic writer" brings to mind some unattractive, never been kissed, pink-collar worker drone well on her way to becoming crazy cat lady who squees over atatomically impossible sex between two boys, or writes dreadful Mary Sue stuff. Granted, not innocent over here. I'd have a hell of a time explaining "Obsidian" to my mom. On the other hand, most of my material is like "1010" or Diamond Sky - stuff that at least tries for original flavor. The other tragedy is when people make fanvids. If the media company isn't clobbering you over use of the clips, then the music company is ticked off for taking traffic away from their official video channel (with all the ads). I see them as a form of commentary/critique/spoof, plus it has exposed me to a lot of bands I otherwise wouldn't have looked at (Within Temptation, Nightwish, Seether, etc.) which leads me to go and spend obscene amounts of my pay on iTunes and used CD shops.

Lurkinghorror, I'll PM you later with my own dose of fangirly worship. Thank you for all that hard work. Really sucks that the Mouse forced you to pay and threw you so many curveballs. But I REALLY thank you. It really is one of my favorite pieces of the franchise, even with the head trippy aspects abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

KingJ.exe Wrote:I "went there" for a while in my own head, and I finally settled on something. Programs, however we use them, are MADE to serve the users. Heck, even Ram talks about how nice it is to help people plan for their future needs. They LIKE it. Now the pinch was, what happens when a program reaches the end of its usefulness to the User and is "deleted"? I've come up with two solutions that make me feel good: One, a program, when he is deleted by a user, isn't really killed, but goes into retirement. The data and space he once used is free, and he much less active. It would also explain why our computers STILL get slower after we uninstall a bunch of programs. Option two is a bit more mean, so to speak. When a program is deleted, it dies, but it dies as a person who has lived a long, fulfilling life. He look forward to the big recycle bin in the sky. It's a natural part of life for a program. So that's how I reconciled the "programs are 'people' too" dilemma.

I dunno, I suppose I'm just too much of a flaming hippie/bleeding-heart liberal to be very comfortable with the "but they LIKE being exploited/slaves!" argument in just about any context...

I've got to get my hand on these as I really want to read them.

I bought a legit copy of the whole book on Amazon. I was pretty disappointed. I don't understand the logic of paying for the right to write a Tron story then being pushed around by the entity who sold you the rights. Even as a fan, if I had the talent to do this (which I do not), I would just drop the project. If the end result doesn't add value to the series, then you're really not helping. Flops like this can kill a series. You think Disney wasn't paying attention to the sales of this comic....they were, and it could very well be why it took so many years after for the series to be re-launched. How long ago was this written and the "author" still has unsold copies in his office? That doesn't help any of us (fans).

So to recap.....Ghost in the Machine is not canon and was pretty lackluster (IMO) . Tell me again lurkinghorror, why is it you feel people don't have the right to seek out your work online and read it for free? By the way, I downloaded a free copy of 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea to my Iphone while I wrote this....completely legal offered by Apple. So, am I morally corrupt now? where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

waryjane Wrote:The very premise of the film TRON was that an evil greedy sociopathic criminal stole the intellectual property of the films real hero. Here we see it reflected in the forums. so·ci·o·path /'soseo?paTH/ Noun A person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience. "I don't see whats wrong with taking your property" is a clear lack of conscience. The persons saying this are sick and potentially dangerous.

Interesting analysis for your first post.

lurkinghorror???? You around man?

1982program wrote: Lurkinghorror is not a legitimate source for Ghost In The Machine. I don't know who he is (he may very well be who he says) and if he was a legitimate retailer of the book he would simply have a site that you can go to purchase it.....not, "hey, find me on Facebook and you might be lucky enough for me to give you a copy." That doesn't make any sense.

The author of the comic is not a 'legitimate' source for the comic?? Interesting I've met Lurkinghorror before at a comic convention. He was at the Slave Labor Graphics (SLG) booth promoting the Tron comic and other SLG publications. I forgot to ask for his autograph

Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think Waryjane's post was referring to you.

Guess lurkinghorror is M.I.A.

I have messaged him on here, emailed him and no reply.