This movie needs to bring TRON back defending the grid. Please do not make this about the ISO's. A TRON movie without TRON as a good guy and main character for a second time will not make people happy. Just Have Sam go back into the grid and pull him out of the sea of simulation and update him on what happened bla bla bla and inform TRON there is a new threat, the mcp has returned, and I hope this will take place on the encom server.

Great news! Thanks for posting this, Jay! I'm looking forward to hearing more about this as things progress. This phrase in the article popped out at me:

"...this installment, which is being developed with a renewed purpose..."

That makes me think that, this time, it's for real. That Disney really is still interested in continuing the TRON franchise. And that TRON 3 will get the green light soon. Of course, anything can happen, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Only time will tell.

Flynn316 Wrote:This movie needs to bring TRON back defending the grid. Please do not make this about the ISO's. A TRON movie without TRON as a good guy and main character for a second time will not make people happy. Just Have Sam go back into the grid and pull him out of the sea of simulation and update him on what happened bla bla bla and inform TRON there is a new threat, the mcp has returned, and I hope this will take place on the encom server.

Agreed. Taking place in ENCOM's server as Sam's "pet project" or his own server at his house will only work. Here IS a huge problem, however. Time dilates differently between the Grid and the Real World.

How much time should pass for Tron 3 to happen? By the time Sam loads the chip in, does it mean Tron/Rinzler already crawled out of the water? Or is the entire Grid 'frozen' in time? I suspect it's the latter because it's in stasis until he uploads the data into the new server. And ENCOM Tron is going to encounter Rinzler, complicating things, and finding out what really happened to his copied self at Flynn's lab.

I think it would be smart for the writers to have Sam and Quorra make it a personal project to start rebuidling the Grid post-CLU, however they may have to re-write him again in order find his father's pieces. I've heard that if a User dies in a grid, they don't derezz. They get sucked back out to the Real World. Users can take a lot of damage that programs can't. So if Kevin "died", then where did his essence go to if the portal did'nt open in time? Sam goes out the laser, then Kevin goes Ka-boom.

As for the new MCP, I really do not think it wise for them to make him into another "Mr. Kool Aid" head, although ironic how red Programs drank his "kool aid" in the first film. He would have to be a walking Program with high level abilities like CLU or Abraxas.

Otherwise, they're gonna have to structure the story that time passed by and the chip is already in the ENCOM servers, and they've been doing a lot of reconstructing, looking for TRON and such. I don't think Sam knows or realizes that Rinzler is Tron, except his father recognized him (and did'nt bother to tell Sam THAT).

The only way they're gonna find Tron is re-writing CLU in order to trace steps back, almost like an interrogation, although this new CLU 3.0 would be the good version recalling the data from the time he was created up through Legacy.

I highly suspect that none of the living Programs in the Grid know nor remember Tron. Sam may have to let Alan in this situation to fix his Program up. My great concern is that the Uprising show MIGHT contradict Tron 3 even more if they continue the perpetuate the ISO mythos.

BUT, if the writers are SMART and did'nt do the stupid thing in killing Beck off in Uprising, he could still be the next TRON in the third film, hiding out, spared by CLU, and the only one who knows what he looks like. Then Beck would be the Program Sam/Quorra will have to seek out, although the migration to the ENCOM server could complicate things even more, now that the "1989" Grid is a digital immigrant to ENCOM, with such irony that CLU is against the migrating ISOs' presence.

I'm still not sure why it would make sense for Sam to bring the whole thing to Encom. I would think he's going to still want to keep this secret for a while-- at least until he sorts through the whole of whatever mess he may have saved to disk-- and taking it to a large company (and a large company full of computer geeks, no less) does not sound like a good way to hide something if you ask me. I mean, if I told you I kept my personal journal on my computer at work, you'd think I was cracked, right, and that it would only be a matter of time before I got called on the carpet? I always figured he would keep it on a personal server, just like Flynn did.

Kat Wrote:I'm still not sure why it would make sense for Sam to bring the whole thing to Encom. I would think he's going to still want to keep this secret for a while-- at least until he sorts through the whole of whatever mess he may have saved to disk-- and taking it to a large company (and a large company full of computer geeks, no less) does not sound like a good way to hide something if you ask me. I mean, if I told you I kept my personal journal on my computer at work, you'd think I was cracked, right, and that it would only be a matter of time before I got called on the carpet? I always figured he would keep it on a personal server, just like Flynn did.

Kat,

I understand your viewpoint here on this, but what would Sam do? ENCOM is now his company to oversee and he can do pretty whatever he wants with do with it, like Bruce Wayne who has his private stash in the Wayne Enterprises penthouse and basement. If Sam is going to use a personal server at his garage/home, or buy a new house, he will have to rebuild the lab in his new house.

The Shiva laser has got to suck up a LOT of juice to be used. This may explain why Flynn hooked up the laser in the basement of the arcade because it is the last thing anybody would look and the power grid was enough to handle the laser's usage

(Imagine the bill for electricity at the arcade from using the laser over the years! Unless he had his own generators, but they could only last for a certain time, but 28 years? Not sure about that)

So, if Sam wants to use the very best equipment to fix the Grid privately, ENCOM is the only place he can do it privately in a lab he can build. No one but him would have the clearance to get in. Ultimately, going back to the ENCOM server has to happen for that little Grid to be part of something greater.

Don't forget he could bring Alan in the fold to help him out on this one as a 'life line' in case Sam gets stuck in the Grid again, in order to pull him out. Imagine if you were deep sea diving, you need someone on the boat to pull you out or retrieve you in case something bad happens. He's gonna have to let Alan in the truth with Quorra showing proof of her existence. This also makes a good plot point where Dillinger would cuss out Sam in why he gave her clearance to the classified lab and not him, and then discovers who she really is.

In fact, Dan Shorr's character can be part of it as well because his Program was RAM and that he was involved in the Flynn Lives conspiracy. Sam could opt to re-use his father's basement lab with new upgrades but is it wise? So Shorr's character would be the back up guy manning the OS while Sam/Quorra go "Deep Grid Diving". Maybe Alan, but not sure if he's physically able to handle it.

Who wants to see a scripted scene of Dillinger Jr breaking into Sam's house trying to corrupt the Grid via digitization? Makes no sense. Or the basement lab at the arcade? He has no reason to go there. As far as I know, Dillinger Jr still works for ENCOM. Will he go his father's path or save Sam's a$$ at the last minute, realizing he does'nt want to be the jerk in the family?

The only way he would do things beneath his ethics is being blackmailed by his father to follow orders, just like MCP did to his father.

It's true that they're pretty much stuck with the Encom angle if they want to go with real-world bad guys (though they haven't done for this franchise yet; even DillinSr ended up being just a pawn; his biggest crime was committed years ago and that was theft against Flynn). Anyway, you know my thoughts about Dillinjr being the villain.

There are a lot of places they could take this, though. More threats from the inside (inc. an unstable Grid-- who knows what Sam has saved. It could be a basically-functioning Grid, it could be just a few bits of data, it could be something in-between and that could be very, very screwed-up). It could be an internet threat, if they wanted to open that can of worms. It could just be Sam re-starting the digitization project at Encom (without loading his dad's Grid) and something bad happening there-- corruption of the laser and someone getting trapped, or someone from the outside finding out (either accidentally, or one of the employees is out to leak/sell some info). (<--- which, actually, is largely the basis of a scenario I came up with. Sam actually has to bring Tron and some other folks FROM his own project to help clean up the mess.)

Might even be interesting to bring friends and old enemies together-- get Lora (because I figure that yeah, even if she is somewhere else with some great new job like T:B suggests, no way in hell she wouldn't want to come back ASAP for her digitization thing), Alan, etc., but also maybe there's something that he needs to recompile Clu from some old source code for, get Dillinjr (who, even if he may not be a downright bad guy, would NOT be someone who'd get on with Sam at first and the feeling would be mutual) and make them all work together (definitely would be a good play on the "hey, we gotta work together" from both lightcycle games).

Hell, it's even possible that Sam might tell Alan about the whole thing and be like "so I'm starting up a new project" and Alan's like "Oh HELL no." Alan, after all, has absolutely no reason to think such a thing is a good idea; he's gone through a lot of shit because of this thing. All he'll hear is "my dad stole your wife's work, had this huge project he thought would change the world but didn't tell you about it, got himself stuck in there for 20 years which meant I was left without a dad and you were left cleaning up his messes, and got me almost killed and stuck in there. And now I want to do the same thing all over again!" And that's beside the point as to whether humanity would, ethically, be able to handle having millions of brand-new "worlds" to conquer (remember The Matrix and why the war between the humans and machines happened-- in part the humans' superior attitude. And that's just one small part of it. Shit, our Powers That Be can barely handle digital crime NOW-- imagine it with that aspect added). It's possible part of the conflict could be that Sam is fighting Alan on this every step of the way; I don't think we should assume Alan would automatically be on board.

Frankly, I don't imagine Encom is still using Tron. Hang onto a program from 30 years ago? maybe while Flynn was still running the show, but it sounds like the company went in a totally different direction after that. They may have kept something of an OS Flynn created (though I bet they changed it drastically) but I doubt they wanted to keep too much legacy work around; it doesn't sound like they were real happy with Flynn, and it doesn't sound like Alan was their favorite person either. (In my scenario, they insist on discontinuing use of Tron after the MCP incident-- probably both figuring the software did what it was designed to do and is no longer needed, and possible afraid of a program that can take down some of their damn-powerful software-- and they create their own security suite. Of course, when that fails and Tron has to come help clean up the mess, we're vindicated that Tron is the shit, but...)

ChessMess Wrote:Good news. In my mind they really need to connect the wonder of the computer with todays modern computing systems. Smartphones, Facebook, the Internet, etc. They need to make the next generation who is fascinated with todays technology look at it in a cool new way. Much like Tron did way back in 82. Imho.

Yes. Let the programs have jobs.

ChessMess Wrote:Good news. In my mind they really need to connect the wonder of the computer with todays modern computing systems. Smartphones, Facebook, the Internet, etc. They need to make the next generation who is fascinated with todays technology look at it in a cool new way. Much like Tron did way back in 82. Imho.

Let the programs have jobs, yeah, but let's not work too much "of the moment" technology into it-- nothing dates a movie or book faster than when you watch it five years later and are like, "*snort* Look, they mentioned that product/current event/whatever that is SO over now." It's hard to make a story timeless when it's full of references to stuff that is relevant for about six months and then it's done (and yeah, I've seen it done in stories, and that's how it is-- you read/watch and are like "well, I'm sure that was cute when this first came out but now... yeah, not so much"). I really don't want Tron turning into some pop-culture lexicon. There are plenty of plots out there without having to have, like, Tron and Sam hanging out on Dillinjr's Facebook page or Alan giving commands to Tron via Twitter or something like that.

zodiac brave Wrote:as for the point of trying to not have it seem dated...well, yeah...i hope it doesnt come off that way. watching the original now, its EXTREMELY dated, but thats okay, because legacy was done so much later that its to be expected. having another film so soon after the last might date legacy and any future projects might date tron3. either way, i cant wait for 2015!!

But it's the technology they used to make the film that makes it seem dated, not the events of the film. Aside from the fashion and technology in place at the time, we have no indication of when the film actually takes place. The themes of freedom and friendship are timeless. Etc. Now, if Alan and Lora went on a date to see ET in the theater, and they mention the dedication for the Vietnam Memorial, and they go on about that new baby the royals just had, and this other thing Reagan did, and Flynn buys a copy of Thriller, and.... THEN it would be dated.