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So in episode "Identity" (http://disney.go.com/xd/tron/videos/), its revealed that if a program loses his disc his memories will fade (glitch) and eventually be totally lost (but can be restored with the return of the disc).

I believe we've all reached this conclusion before but to reiterate, a disc for a program is like having a long term data store. Now you can call that data store a USB, or a sector on a Hard Disk, or location in EPROM, or a section of tape on a cassette tape or reel-to-reel, (am I dating myself yet?)... doesn't matter. The disc acts as a proxy.

So once lost the program retains all its local variables, but as it moves around and some globals/singletons/session get overwritten with null data, he only acts within the confines of the programming being executed at that point in time. He may loop, like the program who couldn't get out of the 'Not the games... not the games...' loop in Legacy, he may crash and self-derez, but typically they become a stray, open to the suggestions of others.

Pretty cool.

So it seems like Clu's repurpose process might simply be removing one's disc and formatting the programs original data store, then writing in the data that makes the world reflect the way in which he wants the program to act. Luckily Tron still had some data in ROM that indicated he 'fights for the users!'. His very core routines more likely, such that even if the data was corrupt they couldn't make him operate outside of those core routines.

His full repurpose which changes programs to guards is a wipe/rewrite of the programs original code. Kind of like loading the program in an IDE and then going to Main() and selecting all the code and hitting delete, then writing new code. He can't create a new program, but he can repurpose (reprogram) an existing one. That's what he was doing to the programs in the staging area before the portal. He had a base image of a 'model soldier' and overwrote the original programs with the base image. poof. insta-soldier.

Pretty cool and fun fact!! I've been wondering about the Discs...

Also This is so cool..
I still need to get my discs modded..
and get the Kevin Flynn Disc modded ...

If this is the case I better not lose my Disc then!

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Pilgrim1099 Wrote:You're thinking of COMPUTE! and RUN magazines from the 80s that had pages of machine language lines to be transcribed by keys. I remember those days very well.

Yep, though I only remember the BASIC ones because I couldn't even touch machine language then or now. I might have been reading some of the variants meant for younger readers too, as I was in elementary school when I got my first C64.

I remember the non-Commodore magazines would have a single BASIC program to type in and then a set of instructions for how to modify the code for which machine you were running and the minor variant between BASIC versions. They'd list Atari 400, Apple ][, C64, and other models and the appropriate changes to include. I would always snerk at the sections for TRS-80 and TI 99/4A imagining how much it must suck to own one of those machines. LOL

That makes me wonder now, from a TRON perspective would the programs running on / living in those less prestigious and capable machines be the equivalent of poor slum dwellers, eking out a marginal existence under the feet of their middle-class Apple and Commodore and Atari (and later, IBM) brethren? And of course above them, the elite of professional mainframe and server systems looking down from their ivory towers on all the common personal computer programs far below.

That of course raises the question, what's the cutoff point? At what point is a machine with an IC too simple to support a Grid? Is there a mathematician program in a room full of virtual abacuses made of light and linked with circuit lines? In your digital watch is there a virtual drummer tapping out a beat to keep time while circuit trails take each beat as light pulses to a virtual sky that is the display?

It's imagination games like this that make the paradigm of the original TRON so compelling.

In the first film, I never noticed that certain programs didn't have disks. I'm wondering if the "not every program has a disk" thing was a sort of retcon, in that all programs had (or were supposed to have) disks in the first film. It seems to me that it was simply an inherent weakness of the grid. Or, another theory I had, what if no one but the program who owns the disc can catch it when it's in weapon mode, unless it was thrown in weapon mode by someone who stole it? Or maybe Cobalt didn't throw Beck's disk when he used it in battle.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

KingJ.exe Wrote:In the first film, I never noticed that certain programs didn't have disks. I'm wondering if the "not every program has a disk" thing was a sort of retcon, in that all programs had (or were supposed to have) disks in the first film. It seems to me that it was simply an inherent weakness of the grid. Or, another theory I had, what if no one but the program who owns the disc can catch it when it's in weapon mode, unless it was thrown in weapon mode by someone who stole it? Or maybe Cobalt didn't throw Beck's disk when he used it in battle.

My theory is that the ENCOM 511 system had a different set of regulations and 'laws of nature' whereas Flynn's server was a bit more, shall I say, independent with some changes. I could surmise that the operating system on Flynn's server is more likely different and advanced from ENCOM's.

Although, as CEO, he would have access to the latest hardware and sneak them off to his private lab for experimental testing because what he had were somewhat 'off the shelves' from ENCOM's R&D department, assembling them into his own system.

ENCOM is still a powerful company with a lot of money flowing in and out, therefore, the corporation could afford technology much more advanced than Flynn's.

Think about it. AFTER he got trapped in 1989, he was no longer in the corporate picture while ENCOM's tech became more advanced wheras Flynn's server stopped 'advancing'. When he disappeared, that was the cut off point there.

Had Flynn not been trapped in the Grid, he would've continued his work in the lab, beefing up the system even more and that probably would've made Clu more powerful, probably along with other programs as well.

So in that sense, the way they wore their disks in T82 were limited in that fashion, but as programs advanced in the newer systems, they had more flexibility. From floppy drives as one time load, unload and RUN/EXECUTE to the current standard of using flash drives to boot up the app in seconds.

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Maybe it's the fanboy in me, but I think there is also a programmatic reason for Rinzler having two discs.

I, for one, don't think that Clu is capable of fully re-purposing Tron. As 'the other' high level program, I have to think that there were checks/balances put in place to prevent either one from destroying or changing the other.

That being said, my current theory is that one of Rinzler's discs is Tron's original disc. The second disc is like a 'Service Pack'... an EVIL Service Pack. Potentially one that contains a permissions change from the program itself, to Clu. If you think about it, the Rinzler character maintains all of the same skills of Tron, it's just that now he directly obeys Clu (as per the Grid scene in which Clu is spinning those 'magic balls'), as opposed to implementing security protocols himself. order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion

Goat! Wrote:Maybe it's the fanboy in me, but I think there is also a programmatic reason for Rinzler having two discs. I, for one, don't think that Clu is capable of fully re-purposing Tron. As 'the other' high level program, I have to think that there were checks/balances put in place to prevent either one from destroying or changing the other. That being said, my current theory is that one of Rinzler's discs is Tron's original disc. The second disc is like a 'Service Pack'... an EVIL Service Pack. Potentially one that contains a permissions change from the program itself, to Clu. If you think about it, the Rinzler character maintains all of the same skills of Tron, it's just that now he directly obeys Clu (as per the Grid scene in which Clu is spinning those 'magic balls'), as opposed to implementing security protocols himself.

From one standpoint: I figure the two discs simply made him more badass-- that is, perhaps a more efficient fighter, and more intimidating as well. Plus he can always have a disc in hand if he plays his cards right-- he may never be caught in a situation where you've thrown your disc and while you're waiting for it to return to you, your enemy attacks and you're without your weapon.


From another standpoint, if you go with Disney's apparent theory that the disc is what makes the program and if they don't have the disc, their personality goes away-- then it was probably a backup. If that disc is the only thing keeping Tron rectified, it's a damn good idea to make sure he has a spare in case he loses one. I guess Clu just didn't count on him losing both.


Or, hell, it's possible that Clu's rectifications of Tron took up so much disc space that one wasn't enough, and the code is split between them.


(Either way: like an ID disc RAID setup [the type depending on which of these scenarios you wish to run with]??).