remember the static on screen - when flynn was
telling the story about clu's coup

well there is also some intriguing text on the screen as well.


zoom 1

zoom 2


zoom 3




zoom 4




zoom 5


zoom 6


the question now becomes:
is flynn's recollection of the events accurate

does this mean that user minds become truly digital in the grid?

does data loss really mean memory loss?

(i don't believe the text or the numbers are an accident
since most of them are recurring)

also interesting to note that in zoom 5 and 6 it was
clu who was hit by tron.
but flynn's memories were affected by the hit (could be a deeper
mental connection between flynn and clu)
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laphtiya Wrote:Very interesting, perhaps this leads to why Tron simply didn't kill clu. And the whole "our worlds are connected in ways you cannot imagine" perhaps if Tron killed Clu this would have harmed Flynn in an unknown way perhaps killing him as well?

that's a pretty good theory.

it would imply that tron is aware of the mental connection
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the picture with the zoom1 and zoom2 text is where
clu just grabbed flynn by the throat saying "you've been corrupted"
before throwing flynn to the ground.

It's an interesting theory.

I'm inclined to be a little more conservative in how I interpret these visual cues, myself. I believe a person's memory on the Grid, while digital, is still subject to that same gradual degradation over time that we experience in the real world. Being digital rather than analog, the User experiences that degradation as loss of image and sound quality, brief visual glitches, etc., like the playback on worn audio- and videotapes. It doesn't mean that Flynn's recollection of the events themselves is suspect - I think everything happened as he described it - but his recollection has grown slightly fuzzy with age after the passage of a thousand cycles.

We see the same thing with Flynn's memories of Sam as a child. In the real world, the face of a child we hadn't seen for decades might be a vaguely-remembered blur. On the Grid, that time-fogged recollection took the form of severely-degraded image quality, like an ancient videotape played through a faulty VCR.

(It's also worth noting that Flynn was able to recall his time with Sam as a child clearly again by the very end of the movie. This suggests that even on the Grid, the right stimulus can bring back memories of things that we could no longer clearly remember.

If we want to try tackling it from a computer POV, programs and Users who live on the Grid long enough may eventually accumulate more personal memories than can easily fit into the memory space allocated to them by the system. In order to free up space, the oldest and/or least-accessed memories are crunched down using a lossy compression algorithm, which sacrifices sensory fidelity for space. Memories are also archived in some super-compressed lossless format somewhere - perhaps on their discs? Those memory archives are both very compact and 100% lossless, but compressing and decompressing them 'on the fly' would require too much time and CPU cycles to be practical. So you can forget things on the Grid, and your memories of the past may become fuzzy with time, but the right stimulus can also 'jog your memory', causing the system to unpack the archive in question and load it into RAM, at which time the details you were trying to remember would 'come back to you'.)

Good points, Kat.

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Argent Wrote:Good points, Kat. I'm curious, though - do we have some reason to think that Flynn's memories of events aren't accurate? I never had the feeling that things might have actually played out any differently than we saw them in the flashbacks. Am I missing something?

No, not that I know of, but since we're talking about possible "data loss"--that is, memory problems--then it was just something to bring up. I guess I maybe wouldn't put it past Disney to ret-con, either, since there seem to be a few contradictions between the movie and other canon sources.

If it is in fact deliberate that that stuff is in there, I can't help but think it's for a reason, and more of one than just "let's make the fans wonder." (Because that's really all it appears to be--it's never explained at all, and there's really no good reason to put it in if it doesn't actually figure into the plot. I never noticed it in the movie either time I watched, and don't feel I "lost" any of the story by not noticing. It's just detail. So either it's largely pointless, or they're going to tie it into something else later on, I'd think.)where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion

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well we know data loss occured
we just don't know what particular data was lost.

if the physical violence is somehow connected then
data loss occurs when flynn or clu takes a hit.

if data loss in situation no.2 is significant then
maybe data loss also occurs during moments of stress and extreme fear.

we know some recurring symbols and numbers
Z 032
01 110 5550
SCT 9

IluthraDanar Wrote: Kat Wrote: Pilgrim1099 Wrote:Let's raise the ante here, then. IF you propose is well grounded and canonical by the writers of the Legacy script, and if his memories are'nt accurate, then this would give the writers leeway to fix the story or go retroactive in a "Oh, this event? Never happened" approach. The only problem is that Flynn did recognize Sam when he arrived. If his memories were that faulty, then how was he able to know that was his son? I always wondered how he knew, anyway. I mean, some people look very much the same as they did when they were young and you could conceivably recognize them later pretty easily (one of my best friends in high school was like that--you'd see pictures of her as a little kid and she looked almost exactly the same). But a fair number of people look a lot different. You'd never recognize me if you compared me now with pictures of me as a little kid (my hair isn't even the same color). Nor my partner--you can see it if you know the picture of him as a kid is him, and if you squint, but otherwise you can't tell. Nor a lot of people I know. And we've discussed here before that "young" Sam and "2010" Sam look nothing alike--hair color and texture is even different (curly vs. straight). I know we're talking difference in actors, but that's who they picked for the roles (even though no doubt they could've found a kid who is more believable as a young version of GH) and yet they're proposing that it's obvious that one is a grown-up version of the other. I suppose their reasoning is "but it's his son, of course he knows!!"? Well if it hadn't been Sam, the guy would have said, who? Not him, mac! But since he indicated yes, it was Sam, voila, identity check accepted.

True. But if I'd been him, my first question would've been "Q, who is this guy?"