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Once again... very cool stuff. Let me ask you some questions bout your computer model there. First off, when I saw it I actually thought I was looking at an actual picture of the room! It must have taken some time to build the models, apply appropriate textures and so forth. A+ job!

What software did you use to do this? When I did a "pre-vis" render of the room I used Google sketchup. I chose this because I didn't have to much experience with 3D CAD programs and it seemed easy to operate with a quick learning curve for basic functions. The other thing I liked about Google sketchup was that they have a very large and easily search-able model database that other users have submitted. Oh, and did I mention it was free.... How were you able to get the textures to match up so closely? Also, were you designing the models yourself or were you importing?

Unfortunately, I never made any photo-realistic renders of my room with the program. The pictures of my computer simulations are essentially just screen shots of the rough models while running the program. Basically I was using it to measure things like speaker and screen distances and just getting an overall feel of the room space and placement of the speakers. I didn't plot things down to the final inch (other than actual room dimensions) because I new that during calibration I would be moving things around. I think in your room the render was more closely associated with the final look so it was more important to be exact. I would say "mission accomplished!"

You really did put a lot of effort into this you may want to show it off a bit to the "home theater" community as well. I am a member of blu-ray.com and they have home theater galleries and forums related solely to this kind of thing. You may want to post of this there, I know it would garner a lot of interest, especially the room build and equipment.
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So I got my two new component racks yesterday. Assembled the first one with no problems and then half way through the 2nd piece I notice that they left the threading out of one of the legs. I called the company up and they are sending out a replacement but that will take a little while. I also got my Rega turntable. I plan to put all this together and post some pictures soon (I hope they get that replacement out to me in the next week or so).

Kaisergrendel Wrote: DrP Wrote:So I got my two new component racks yesterday. Assembled the first one with no problems and then half way through the 2nd piece I notice that they left the threading out of one of the legs. I called the company up and they are sending out a replacement but that will take a little while. I also got my Rega turntable. I plan to put all this together and post some pictures soon (I hope they get that replacement out to me in the next week or so). Waiting for the pictures!

Just got the email from the company about the replacement legs. The tracking number says the package should arrive on Tuesday. I'm guessing I can set it up that night or the next day. I will post pictures as soon as it is set up!

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Moses613 Wrote:I have no TV nor, of course, a theatrical setup at my place, but that doesn't mean my friends don't, and they accommodate my monthly plasma-screen watching buy letting me use the following at their pad: 1080P TV with the video coming from a blu-ray player. To take it 3D would be the ultimate, but for now I can live with the 2-D since the home version of this movie just POPS compared to even the theatrical IMAX experience since it's a dark movie, and theatrical 3D isn't known for being too bright. The details got lost in the theatrical version, such as the cliffs as seen when Quorroa takes Sam on his escape ride to Flynn's safehouse. Alos, I listen to the audio through a set of Audio Technica HD4- headphones, through which I have noted some new aural thing about the movie every time I use them during a watching. This movie I have to HIGHLY recommend the use of headphones with. You're missing half the movie if you don't. Movies like this are studio-mixed on headphones, so listening to them with headphones is the only way to hear it the way the engineer who so expertly mixed it and intended it to be heard, before it leaves a conventional speaker cone and re-mixes by bouncing off the walls before it reaches your ears.

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I'm glad you get to enjoy the movie regardless of not having a TV. Sometimes it can be more fun to watch with other people anyway! As for your recommendation of listening with headphones I'm going to respectfully disagree. The audio on the T:L blu-ray is a wonderful 7.1 mix which you essentially completely lose with stereo (2.0) headphones. I think the problem is that many will listen with poor speakers, poor calibration of those speakers, poor setup/room acoustics and poor amplifiers. Descent headphones WILL give you better sound, but only if your using poor stereo equipment. Not only do full fledged speakers have better ability to produce accurate sound, but they also give much more power so you can actually "feel" the music. Also, having a descent subwoofer (I actually use two) definitely is great asset. When that recognizer flies over you can feel the rumble in your stomach and entire body... sorry but no headphone is going to reproduce that, not even the over $1000 dollar ones.

I don't know what kind of equipment your friends are using, perhaps that is why you get a better experience from the headphones but I would recommend demo'ing the movie in a descent home theater (minimum of $5k, but something over $10k definitely better) and I think you will agree with me. Sure, headphones are a great and inexpensive way to go but they really top out very quickly and can't compete with high end systems. If they did, all the audiophiles/videophiles would be wearing headphones listening to their movies.

In conclusion, this is not meant to "bash" headphones or your enjoyment of Tron. Just the opposite, I congratulate you on seeking out Tron with friends, varied listening modes, etc. I welcome you to post pictures of your headphones,... all is welcome! Maybe you can give some tips on what kind of headphones are best for movies like tron. I have read posts on here where people say they watch it on their laptop computers and they use headphones. I think they would appreciate your experiences.

Just wanted to announce that the Epson 8350 projector I ordered just arrived today - but the screen is 2-3 weeks away >_> That's what you get for importing from US, but the prices are just too good over there! Can't wait to watch T:L again on it.

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Thanks! I didn't think I'd buy one so soon but the 38" HDTV was *really* letting down the awesome sound system. Thanks for the link to the review, I've read everything I could find but this really is the best one I've seen.

1. I'm right with you there DrP, the DLP projector noise I heard during my HT opening night drove me halfway nuts, so it's one of my top things to address. I thought about building an enclosure, but I've heard the Eco mode for myself and it's quieter than the PS3 even. This including the PS3 being 7 feet away while the PJ is right in front of me, so I'm not considering it at the moment. Besides, building one without HVAC access is a gamble since the air extraction itself may cause more noise than it fixes.

I'm not a brightness freak - I usually like my screens a little darker than usual since it's less glaring, and the Eco mode seems plenty bright to me.

2. I'm quite sensitive to dynamic brightness changes so I may actually leave the auto Iris off. I still see many complaints about that even with the high speed setting. My requirement for black levels is quite modest, and the 8350 seems to have equal if not better blacks compared to commercial theatres so I'm quite content with that.

On that note, from my photography experience I know that Canon makes lenses with virtually silent (AND virtually instant) aperture shifts while Nikon lenses are still very audible, about half the volume of a full shutter click. I wonder if Epson could one day use this technology to produce silent irises. That said, the aperture/shutter designs are probably vastly different and incompatible by necessity.

3. I had thought about getting a colorimeter but dropped it due to budget. Since the epsons really are great out of the box, I'm going to settle for calibrating it with the built in bluray THX tests, then upgrade if I feel the itch to.

Putting the projector on the table is a non-option. Not only is it dangerous for the projector from spilt drinks and such, it takes up almost half the coffee table top. What I'm going to do is mount it on the rear wall instead, just under the picture railing. There, it falls right into the lens's sweet spot and has a chance to blend into the decor. Cable management should be a breeze since I all I have to do is route the cable along the top of the rail. I did run into a hiccup with the 28AWG cable not being able to transmit 1080p over 30ft, so I'm ordering a 22AWG one from Monoprice, even paying the $45 UPS shipping for it. Nothing seems to go smoothly for me!

http://www.amazon.com/OmniMount-ECSB-Component-Shelf-Accessories/dp/B000EGI7V4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318226712&sr=8-1
This mount was highly recommended by 8350 owners, but I can't get it since it can't be shipped to over here in Australia. It was a disappointment at first but then I found a local dealer that sells what seems to be the *perfect* mount for the 8350/8700:

http://www.shelvingshop.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=556
Note the 45cmx40cm dimensions (about the same as the PJ footprint), white finish and matte silver mounting brackets. For once I'm glad I didn't buy something from the US because this is such a better fit.

I'll be getting a relatively small screen. Spent days measuring and measuring trying to squeeze out as much space between the two floorstanders as I possibly could, and I got 67". 77" diagonal. With a viewing and throw distance of about 8.5 feet, that translates to a 36.5 degree viewing angle - just over the recommended THX minimum. With luck, I'll build a broadband trap behind the couch that doubles as a headrest, which will narrow the view distance to about 8 feet, closer to my desired 40 degree view angle. Coincidentally, this is the screen size I had when I rented the projector+screen.

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Yes, I'm hoping the shelf helps to quieten it some. On the other hand it might also cause the wall to resonate. I'll have to see xD

I actually got a da-lite High Contrast Matte White, which isn't so much white as an off white/slight grey, 1.1 gain. That's after considering the fact the average black levels and shutter blinds on the windows that won't block out a lot of light. I'm planning to install some roller blinds with blockout fabric, which will roll out over the existing blinds and help with the light isolation. When I rented the projector and screen before, the screen was so washed out in the day time it wasn't even watchable.

I watched The Thing just a few days ago in a commercial theatre, and tried to look out for black levels. True enough, what I saw was actually a very obvious grey, once you've been told to look for it. I hadn't ever noticed it before. I also found that after awhile it became hard to focus on the black levels and I just went back to watching the movie, so I'm quite sure I won't be bothered too much by not using the auto iris.

Yeah, I'll only start buying calibration gear if it really annoys me. On my computer I use a Spyder for calibration and I find it quite mandatory since displays really do exhibit a wide variation of responses. On the projector I'm not troubled by output requirements so I'll only do as much as much as is needed to get it looking pleasing to my eyes. How does one get the THX tint glasses anyway?

Nice to know about the monoprice 22AWG's!

Yeah, shame about the flexibility, it really won't help the look of the room unfortunately. It should be damn near impossible to install the projector on the wall with a 22AWG, so I'm also getting the "port savers" that monoprice sells. I'll need that both for the source and sink sides of the cable.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041913&p_id=2891&seq=1&format=2

Yeah the shipping is a b*tch. However local retailers are bigger b*tches and sell their cables for exooooorbitant prices. Even with the $45 shipping I'm getting a better deal than anything I can find here by far. It's why I buy the majority of my electronics overseas.

"Free shipping" on most US sites always implies within the US only. I learned the hard way xD I like this shelf design as it's discreet and able to blend in with the projector, and the size fit is so close it's going to look like part of the projector almost. As I mentioned before, the port savers are going to help me with the last length of that cable, so no worries.

Actually looking at the THX website, I'm pretty sure the 35 degree view angle is the *minimum* recommended.

I was able to shove the 28AWG cable into the existing conduits. Obviously with 22AWG that will be impossible, but I have few more tricks in mind to hide the runs. I'll show you once it's in.

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Yes, ideally I'd have painted the entire place jet black and used a plain white screen, but such is compromise I was going to get the da-lite video spectra screen (1.5 gain), but the shipping on that was about $50 more for no apparent reason. Nice to hear your family contributing to the room too

I liked The Thing (2011), I was a fan of both the original Thing and the lead actress. It actually serves as a prequel to the older movie so there's some nice continuity going on. I did miss the animatronics and practical effects, but I still thought the CGI Thing was quite impressive. I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10, bumped up to 8 just for having Mary Elizabeth Winstead in it :P

That was a sweet deal you got for the LD player. I got my Denon AVR for $700, down from the RRP of $2400, but that isn't so impressive when you consider that the same unit was selling for less than half of that in the US, and it was already a 3 year old model when I got it second hand. The Epson 8350 (TW-3200 here) has an RRP of about $2400 as well, and I see stores still selling it for $1800-2200, whereas I bought mine from Adorama for $1129. It's bloody annoying the prices we get here, I tell ya.

Actually commercial cinemas have been my benchmark for the longest time. Now that my HT is up it's the best system I've seen or heard, and I really wonder how common HT's like ours are when people still go to the movies in droves. Don't get me started on HTIB's with all 5 speakers arranged in a straight line! That said, the brightness in regular cinemas is very much to my liking, until a pair of 3D glasses are tacked on. The sound isn't that great compared to what I get at home, but I envy freedom to crank up the volume at any time of the day without worrying about disturbing others. I also found myself missing the large room reverb you get with cineplexes. Somehow it adds immensity to the picture.

I hear you about the disturbances though - add to that people opening noisy bags, eating noisily, drinking beer, checking cellphones, chatting loudly, making dumb comments, coming in late, laughing during serious scenes, having arguments (happened during one of my IMAX viewings), I really wonder how much I'll be tempted to return. *Then again*, it's still a relatively controlled environment. At home I have to put up with family members turning on the light in the adjacent dining/kitchen and going about their noisy business, friends making snide remarks at the movie (made it almost impossible to enjoy T:L that one time I played it at home), phone ringing, people getting up for toilet/snack breaks in the middle of the movie and forcing everyone to pause it, etc. It really is difficult not having a dedicated room

THX is selling the tint glasses for the low low price of $2 plus $87.88 shipping.
http://www.costore.com/THX/productenlarged.asp?peid=87&pid=930793
Guess I'll have to look elsewhere.

Actually I've already bought a splitter amp so the TV and PJ can share the same connection. Without it, I get absolutely nothing from 1080p over 30ft, but a solid image on SD. With it, I get brief flashes of colored sparkles. I had hoped it would make up for the smaller gauge cable, but obviously it doesn't. I've read on AVS forum that using shorter lengths of small gauge cables at the ends won't severely impact the signal. If bottlenecks were indeed a problem I'd think the port contacts themselves would be a much more important factor.

Edit: By the way I know what you mean about the 35 degree angle being the point at which the eye resolves all detail in HD. Still, being closer always helps you see the detail more, as with everything else, and there's little point in arguing that a 40 degree angle isn't more immersive.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

Maybe clerical error. I wasn't going to stick around to find out, in case they decide to match the higher shipping cost if I told them about it. xD

I'm curious, what is the attraction of LD for you?

I'm not sure exactly why the prices are as high as they are here, but most people seem to agree it's greed. Even prices between local stores can vary quite a bit. I think there's a consumer culture here that doesn't put a lot of emphasis on finding good deals that allows pricier retailers to thrive, or that allows stores to universally raise margins. There was a big stink up by some of the largest companies a few months back about how import sales were killing local business, and were campaigning for the import tax threshold to be lowered (I paid $140 tax on my projector purchase) from $1000 to include basically all sales. Some of their justifications for the higher prices were the higher minimum wage standard in Australia...and...I don't know, I think the rest were too ridiculous to recall. What I do know is long as the huge disparity remains where I can buy overseas, be charged hundreds for shipping and tax and still end up spending significantly less, I'm going to take my business elsewhere for the bulk of my purchases.

Yeah some of the Chinese stuff is dirt cheap. I got a screwdriver set with about 40 different bits for $2.50, best set I ever had. Also an SPL meter for around $20.

Could you refer me to the company you got the transparencies?

Yeah, it was the projector that I tested the cable with. The 22AWG cable I ordered shouldn't have any problems, else I might have to look into purchasing copper rebars xD