We all remember the brutal torture scene in the first Tron.
The MCP was one ruthless bad guy.

Clu was also very sinister and awesome.
He did put programs in the games until they die playing.

BUT I didn't see him torture any programs MCP style.
When watch the old Tron the torture scene is pretty brutal.
I mean is always scared me as a child.

Let's discuss

He probably saw torture as an inefficient waste of time.

Or, in our cuddly entertainment world, someone decided that modern kiddies couldn't handle the trauma of it.

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IluthraDanar Wrote: ChessMess Wrote:Seems like putting a program into the games with the knowledge that they'd eventually face Rinzler was slow mental torture. That's what I was thinking too. Don't follow the program (no pun intended), you get put into the games, unless you'd make a good soldier program (how do they decide that anyway?). Games practically ensure your death, and Clu's hands are still clean. He did murder Jarvis for letting him down, but he wasn't written as a killer program and he didn't kill Flynn or Quorra when he had the chance.

True on both counts I don't think that Clu was truly a killer as the only person outside of the arena he killed was Jarvis. If you count the game Evolution it makes at least 2 times he could have killed Quorra and did not do it either time.

Torture on the other hand is another issue entirely. I think for the most part he just had to threaten or have a threat looming overhead (like ID said, don't follow the rules you'll be punished, etc) to achieve his goals. Tron might have been the only one he had to torture or work with extensively to change his programming and convert him to his side.

I also think about how the MCP was very feared and hated and had to resort to things like torture (also being less "human" he had less thought or care about what he was doing to other programs?), but during the arena scenes it's somewhat apparent that Clu is seen as a hero by most programs for "saving them from Flynn's oppression"

IMHO

LWSrocks2 Wrote:Well, I think in TR3N we'll find out that Clu had a really good reason to keep Quorra alive. Like there was a bigger plan in motion, possibly related to the "initiative" Jarvis mentioned in the Command Ship.

I think he just wanted somebody to 'play' with in his spare time. Whether or not that would include torture is... well it just depends on what kind of stuff CLU is into. *cough*

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IluthraDanar Wrote:Clu, an advanced protocopy of Flynn, wanted to escape his world. Yes, he did order the destruction of the ISOs but that was part of his function more than any true hatred, right? I can't blame him wholly for wanting to escape since he has part of Flynn in him, and being locked up in this one place would be excruciating.

I totally agree. The ISO's destruction was in his programming. Flynn told him to create the perfect system and in his eyes, they were imperfect. I never interpreted that scene as hate

I also cannot blame him for 1) being resentful towards Flynn and 2) wanting to escape. My hubby and I for the most part work opposite schedules so Im alone at home at least 1/2 of my days. While I for sure don't resent my hubby - since we are in the real world we gotta work even if its not at the same times - I definitely start to feel the loneliness. It gets to you after a while and I always think about "getting out" to go somewhere like a mall just to be around other people

But I can definitely see how and why Clu would be resentful. He does what Flynn tells him to do, is abandoned (in his eyes due to grid/earth time differences), and then criticized by Flynn for doing what he was told to do LoL

Perhaps there was even some jealousy inside him (if you believe he can feel emotions). Jealous of Flynn being able to come and go, and spending so much time with other folks like Tron. Almost like jealous-wife syndrome You can almost picture a Clu in an apron standing at the portal, arms crossed and tapping his foot demanding "Where have you been? Do you know what time it is? You could have let me know you would be late!" LoL

IluthraDanar Wrote:LOL please don't emasculate my fave MALE program.

No offense was meant, it was all in jest. There is no question: he is definitely a male program
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MCPcomputer Wrote: We all remember the brutal torture scene in the first Tron. The MCP was one ruthless bad guy. Clu was also very sinister and awesome. He did put programs in the games until they die playing. BUT I didn't see him torture any programs MCP style. When watch the old Tron the torture scene is pretty brutal. I mean is always scared me as a child. Let's discuss

He turned the games in Flynn's Grid from non-lethal to lethal, and then forced every program he didn't rectify to play.

At least one program thought it torturous.
"Not the games, not the games, not the games, not the games, not the games."

On another note....Clu seemed pretty adept at getting information he wanted from discs. If he could do that, then who would he need to torture and why?