Grid-Dweller Wrote:Given the circumstances, I wouldn't classify the kiss as cheating. It's not like they stood there and made out. It was more like them saying goodbye in an affectionate way.

Sorry, but if my partner's lips meet someone else's, he's got some 'splaining to do. I don't care why he thinks it happened--if it ain't his mom, we need to talk. Kissing someone on the lips isn't generally something that is done platonically. The cheek, yes. The lips, no. I've had relatives and such kiss me on the lips before when I don't expect it and can't avoid it, and it always creeped me out. in my mind and that of most people I know, kissing on the lips is reserved for romantic situations, full stop. I'm not sure where you might live where that isn't the case, but even in places where people tend to be more demonstrative, I've never seen non-lovers kiss on the lips as a matter of course.

Kat Wrote: Grid-Dweller Wrote:Given the circumstances, I wouldn't classify the kiss as cheating. It's not like they stood there and made out. It was more like them saying goodbye in an affectionate way. Sorry, but if my partner's lips meet someone else's, he's got some 'splaining to do. I don't care why he thinks it happened--if it ain't his mom, we need to talk. Kissing someone on the lips isn't generally something that is done platonically. The cheek, yes. The lips, no. I've had relatives and such kiss me on the lips before when I don't expect it and can't avoid it, and it always creeped me out. in my mind and that of most people I know, kissing on the lips is reserved for romantic situations, full stop. I'm not sure where you might live where that isn't the case, but even in places where people tend to be more demonstrative, I've never seen non-lovers kiss on the lips as a matter of course.

I totally agree with you Kat. It always gives me the creeps when a relative tries to kiss me on the mouth uggh LoL I agree that mouth-kissing is more intimate than a cheek/hand kiss and should be reserved for a significant other. I still say that the Yori kiss was too intimate to be just a goodbye kiss. If someone tried to do that to me I would push them away finding that inappropriate to do being married or otherwise taken. Then again Yori might not understand fully and not know to push him away because it would be inappropriate abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

Grid-Dweller Wrote:You both seem a bit prudish to me.

I'm sorry but I would not want to see my husband kissing another woman on the lips and I'm sure he wouldn't want to see me kissing another man. If this behavior is acceptable to you I feel sorry for your significant other.

Believe me, I am FAR from prudish, I just do not think that it is appropriate to kiss another person on the mouth when you are in a committed relationship. But like I keep saying, Yori probably does not understand the full meaning of a kiss and thus is most likely not cheating on Tron. It's all in how you look at it abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

Noticed this kissing "issue" 4 or 5 years ago for the first time. Made me wonder if it's one of the reasons why they deleted the Tron/Yori love scene. With the love scene, it'd be much more complex of a situation and taboo regarding multiple partners.

Grid-Dweller Wrote:You're acting like a small kiss is purely black and white, regardless of culture and context. And you and Kat are more interested in imagining your guys kissing other woman than discussing the topic in any manner that approaches objective.

First, I do not care what made my husband kiss another woman or vice-versa; it would still be vastly inappropriate. I would be shocked if my husband didn't react or seriously question my love if I let any man kiss me that wanted to, friend or no.

Second: I have absolutely NO clue where you are getting the idea that "you and Kat are more interested in imagining your guys kissing other woman than discussing the topic in any manner that approaches objective". WTF? Kat, IMHO, has thought of many good topics to start discussions that I would say are, or end up being, on a college level (and I did graduate college btw.) Have you even read most of our discussions on this forum? We have one thread to talk about the characters that we like but so what? If you do not like it, then stay out of that thread. Plain and simple. I stay out of threads that I don't feel I have anything to contribute to or aren't interested in. That is just something completely insane to say, and I have no idea what other women we supposedly fantasize the male characters kissing.

Third: Who are you to judge anyone or decide if a response is "objective"? There are still some good discussions going on this board still. Even though I may not agree with what someone else is doing or likes, why should I make them feel bad for it? What works for others might not work for me and that is okay; and if someone doesn't like what I am doing or my ideas that is okay too. However when I feel that I am (or a friend is) attacked then that is another story.

It's likely that she was indeed clueless to social norms of the user world. But even if she had been aware of those things, the situation is more complex than that.

Duh. (Sorry for the short and to the point reply. I am just tired of fighting with you when you have no basis for your criticism.)

Grid-Dweller Wrote:I'm discontinuing this discussion with you.

*Cheers* Thank you! Now we can get back to having an intelligent discussion about the thread topic And for what it's worth, I thought Kat's response was warranted and not overly aggressive.

About the whole Yori kissing Flynn thing...

I have always believed, and still do, that...

Yori cared about Flynn. Much like Lora cared about Flynn.

Both Yori and Lora cared about Flynn. They found him fascinating. They trusted him.

In a choice between Flynn or Alan/Tron, the automatic answer would always be Alan/Tron, no contest.

But Yori/Lora cared about Flynn. So the way I saw the kiss, I always took from it that good old Star Wars "kiss for good luck". Yori was wishing him luck, Flynn was building up his courage to make that jump, they were both a bit swept up in the moment.

But a kiss for good luck, that is what I got out of it.
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Kat Wrote: Grid-Dweller Wrote: Nobody put words in your mouth. I'm discontinuing this discussion with you. Your aggressive, biting sarcasm is truly needless. Really? You're going on and on about what you ASSume Aerial and I are like, and why we are posting what we are posting, none of which has any basis in our posts, and you don't call that putting words into our mouths and thoughts into our heads? Please cite your source for your idea that I'm interested in my partner kissing another woman. Go on, I'm waiting. Hint: you don't have to waste your time looking because I can tell you: you won't find it. Aerial and I were taking a rhetorical subject and relating it to real life: in most cultures, it is NOT acceptable for one's significant other to kiss someone else on the lips. And since Tron was written with an American culture in mind, it really doesn't matter if you do dig up some obscure culture where this is acceptable, because it would be out of context anyway. If you like, I could instead poll everyone I know and see if they find it acceptable, if you would rather I don't use a personal example. Or if you had some imagination, you could think how you might feel if your significant other were kissing someone else or how they might feel if you were. It's a pretty accepted MO to put yourself in someone else's shoes before you pass judgment on how they should feel about a situation, which is what Aerial and I were doing, but if you like making judgments arbitrarily, I guess that's your prerogative. Doesn't mean it's kosher for you to knock it just because someone else doesn't feel that same way, though. Also, let's go back to the earlier script version of this that someone posted. Flynn says to himself, "Surely Tron won't mind..." The fact that he has to justify it to himself tells you that his intentions aren't entirely platonic.

Kat, we might as well stop trying to be rational with Grid-Dweller as it is obviously lost on him, and is just looking for a fight and to cause trouble. I just received a PM from him trying to get me back in the fight. Normally I would not do this but its the wrong day to mess with me let me tell you

Grid-Dweller wrote:http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=425074&pg=5 You have yet to respond. I'm assuming this means you give up?

Aerial_Zero wrote:You know what, you are an *hole. I don't like to fight and YOU said that YOU were done discussing it so I was going to go back to being *gasp* productive on the discussion forums. Isn't it against the forum rules to harass other members in PMs, hmm? I am definitely saving this in my inbox in case I go to the admin. I was trying to be nice and let things go but you picked the wrong person on the wrong day to mess with. Have a great day! :-)

I think that Kat and I have both calmly and rationally both explained our positions, and have since moved on to actually discussing topics. You, however, seem intent on dragging this argument out, going out of your way trying to provoke us. Do NOT send me another PM, this is your first and only warning. If I receive another PM from you I WILL go to the Admin. Kat and I have good friends and good reputations on this board, and I will not have a newcomer coming in, stirring things up, and ruining our good names.

Hopefully this thread can go back on topic to what it was originally meant to be as others have tried to do despite your efforts to drag it back down. I will not respond to your threats or insults any further; I graduated High School a long time ago and refuse to take part in your juvenile fights any more. From here on out, you do not exist to me and I suggest you consider the same for me.

Back on topic, I am going to watch the first Tron again soon and take another look at the scene again bearing in mind some of the ideas that were presented on this thread to see if I feel any differently. However, like Kat brought up, whenever someone has to rationalize something that person usually knows it is not the best thing to do That being said, it was Flynn rationalizing and not Yori which goes back to the Encom Programs not understanding the emotions behind things we take for granted in our culture such as kissing (esp. on the lips).

Aerial_Zero wrote: Back on topic, I am going to watch the first Tron again soon and take another look at the scene again bearing in mind some of the ideas that were presented on this thread to see if I feel any differently.


I just looked at this scene, and Yori seems to go with it, tilting her head, wrapping her arms around Flynn. Not at all like Tron, who is still and then shows pleasant shock. Maybe Ms Morgan didn't play it like a program would act. Director's fault? In that case, don't blame Yori. I think Flynn was in the moment, seeing Lora more than Yori.

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Alan1 Wrote:Before you blame Yori, watch the deleted love scene. All TRON can say after her change is "How are we going to get to the tower?" Don't remember the exact words but, I mean, c'mon! Gotta be a eunuch!

LOL Yori is the passionate one, while Tron is just extremely protective of her. Wonder if they reflect Lora and Alan.