my friends and i were discussing tron legacy and the topic of tron's
redemption invevitably came up. someone asked for us to at least point
to a tv trope or explain in terms of loose programming.

so we came up with this:

the closer tron/rinzler gets to "actually" killing flynn then
the closer tron gets to two conflicting decision points/directives.
obviously the core-original coding part of tron won out.
obviously clu's rectification process does not go that deep

and here is the movie trope:
john connor: what is your mission?
ahhhhhhnold: to ensure the survival of john connor and katherine brewster
john connor: you are about to FAIL that mission!

seeing flynn obviously had an impact on tron but it was
clu's conflicting directive that pushed tron to the edge -
making tron choose between his deep original directives or
clu's recent order.

two events have to happen in order for tron's original
directives to kick in.
1. the original basic directives have to be directly challenged
2. and rinzler has to be pushed to point where his next move kills flynn

the terminator3 clip was chosen because discussion boards
never had a problem with the visual of arnold's override.
the static-ky visual is practically a hollywood standard
in terms of visual tropes.

i could not understand why my non-fan friends could not
accept the scene. until i realized that they probaby
had a problem with voices in the head being too "humanlike"
i guess they wanted a computereeze visual explanation.

obviously T:Legacy's director cannot insert a visual like "terminator
override" so i guess he opted for voices in the head.



thoughts?


little off-topic:
speaking of visual tropes did anyone find it intriguing
that flynn's flashback of clu's coup has static.
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this actually kinda makes sense.

when he fought sam, it was after he had wounded him he completely relented, instead of simply derezzing him instantly like any other combatant.

after he realizes who was actually inside the lightjet, he completely flips mode.

very reasonable. i like the terminator analogy tho lol.

thanks for pointing out tron's fight with sam Jackie.

that scene was the biggest hurdle we had to explain,
before we came up with the terminator trope

in order for tron to turn good(during disk wars), clu would have to
order tron to kill sam and keep pushing tron/rinzler
until near the point-of-no-return.

thank god for ahhnold.

Tron Fanatic Wrote: rimwall Wrote:i agreee TronFanatic. i have to ask tho: what's your interpretation? why does tron's redemption scene bother some people? i've seen the discussions on some of the movie blogs. and i've seen some posts here in tron sector. I'm really not sure what is bothering some people about it. I think more of it pertains to him being left to rot in the water (with not so much as an indication of whether or not he survived), moreso than how he 'turned back to the light side.' I think there were two possibilities, both of which directly relate to contact with Kevin. I'd have to check again to make sure, but I'm pretty sure the moment that Flynn looks up at him from inside the light jet is the first contact those two have had with each other since who knows when. Yori in the short time the MCP's group seven lockdown was in progress, was acting more or less like a drone, and didn't recognize Tron until he gave her an extra shake. And we know how long Kevin has been trapped in the Grid, which means it's been roughly 1K years for Tron too, so even without rectification, Tron's mind would be in a pretty dark place after all that time. One of two things clicked for Tron's at that moment. I can't really be sure of the first one or not because of the black visor, but it's my feeling the Kevin and Tron made eye contact. Second, which is easier to figure, is Tron heard Kevin say "What have you become?" Either way, that could be the first time in centuries that Tron knew Flynn was even alive anymore. So even more than realizing your friend is still around, its realizing your god is still around. Just imagine what that kind of realization would feel like for someone who has been a slave for untold eons.

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Kat Wrote: I had always assumed he pulled back in behind the 3-man jet to block it from Clu, NOT to continue the attack...hence why Clu is back there wondering why Rinz doesn't just pull the trigger already, because he doesn't know the motive... the Clu tells him to take the shot, and Tronzler decides what to do and then pulls up and attacks Clu...

i think the sequence was-

when rinzler positioned his plane for the kill shot
we can see that clu was not yet at the scene.
(empty sky behind rinzler)

we can see its a full six seconds of perfect kill time.

(sorry kat - time is not accurate with the animated gifs
i had to decimate 1 frame for every 3 frames
to keep the gif sizes down. so the entire scene appears shorter)

clu appears right after rinzler hears the words in
his head "flynn run!"

in the first animated gif
we can see clu appearing after rinzler's headshake
clu's plane appears at the top of the screen. (but clu is still way behind)

then clu activates his turbo/afterburners to catch up
with the action

Now I'm wondering what the writers really intended. They obviously didn't make it clear if everybody is taking that scene a different way. I thought the "Flynn, go" was what Rinzler SAID, not that it was in his head...

i'm going to post this, before i loose this train of thought.
nothing in particular just thinking out loud.


from the perfect killshot to the time clu yells "take the shot!"
its about nine seconds.

in that entire nine seconds - who is behind flynn's jet?
is it rinzler or is it tron?

if it is rinzler, why hasn't he fired?

if it is tron, why hasn't he looped back to attack clu?
--clu is way back behind and even had to turn on afterburners to catch up.
--if tron is acting as flynn's escort - it's not wise to let clu get close.


for a baseline of rinzler's response times:
we should note that in firing the dis-arming shots
rinzler takes just under a second to fire in response to sam's
first initial volley.

(rinzler has fast response times when set on a course of action.
it's the reason why rinzler's hesitation is so painfully noticeable
to clu)

extra note little off-topic:
by the way there is something consistently weird
in the way rinzler fights sam after the disk wars:

their first fight in disk wars- rinzler made the first shot

but the encounters in the carrier and in the dogfight
rinzler waited for sam to make the first shot.
(just found it weird is all)