JInfantry23 User
Posts: 99 | Was CLU meant to be a literal representation of Kevin Flynn? on Monday, March, 21, 2011 9:14 PM
I've been thinking about this, and there are some lines in the movie that even hint about it, but while we all know Kevin created CLU, just how much of himself did he write into that program?
As a previous poster pointed out, the speech young Kevin Flynn and CLU gave are nearly identical and at the climax of the film, Kevin Flynn states:
"You wouldn't know that because I didn't when I created you."
and then at the beginning of the film, Kevin says:
Now, I couldn't be in there all the time, so I created a program in my own image that could think, like me and you.
This sort of suggests that CLU was not so much an independant program like Tron was of Alan, but instead was supposed to be an actual clone of Kevin Flynn - they even dressed alike early in the film.
Does that mean that all the horrible things CLU did, Kevin himself could have done when he was that age?
It sorts of adds a new dimension when watching it, seeing the conflict between Kevin and Clu - that we're not seeing two protagonists go at it, but rather different aspects of the same man. Makes one wonder: The fact that Kevin didn't leave the Grid may not have been because he couldn't (although it implicitly states he couldn't in the movie), but maybe because he felt guilty about what evil was done in his image; and that may have been the reason Kevin went from a hotshot programmer to wise old zen master.
Just a thought...
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IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | RE: Was CLU meant to be a literal representation of Kevin Flynn? on Monday, March, 21, 2011 9:21 PM
I saw Clu to be the dark side of Flynn. Flynn wanted perfection, Clu would do anything to have it, include killing.
Tron Betrayal shows Flynn writing a portion of Clu but the final creation was done on the Grid. I believe Clu had some of Flynn in him. In the flashback scene, they are both there, dressed like the Bobbsey Twins, and when Flynn smiles so does Clu.
Just watched the Flynn/Sam scene. If Clu could think, why do people say he could only follow his directive and couldn't change?
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Posts: 274 | RE: Was CLU meant to be a literal representation of Kevin Flynn? on Monday, March, 21, 2011 10:06 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Just watched the Flynn/Sam scene. If Clu could think, why do people say he could only follow his directive and couldn't change? |
Here's my take on it: A program's function determines their aptitudes and outlook. They have a fair bit of latitude in how they execute those functions, and can survive and adapt when forced into other roles (see: Ram on the Game Grid in the original movie), but they're always predisposed to do whatever they were made for, and are happiest when doing so.
Creating an ordered, efficient Grid where every program knows its place and the trains always run on time is what Clu was meant to do. He's literally incapable of seeing the Isos as anything other than a flaw, because his worldview is hardcoded into him. He can think and adapt in accordance with his core beliefs, but those beliefs are fixed and immutable - he's incapable of growth or change as a person, in stark contrast to Flynn.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Was CLU meant to be a literal representation of Kevin Flynn? on Tuesday, March, 22, 2011 6:00 PM
Clu was a snapshot of Flynn at one point in time. However, Clu didn't have 30-some years of life experience under his belt...he was merely an immature avatar for Flynn without the life experience/maturity to understand perfection/imperfection.
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DarthMoose74 User
Posts: 29 | RE: Was CLU meant to be a literal representation of Kevin Flynn? on Wednesday, March, 23, 2011 11:31 AM
Ying and yang. The polar opposites of one person. A mirror for both to see.
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Posts: 156 | RE: Was CLU meant to be a literal representation of Kevin Flynn? on Wednesday, March, 23, 2011 1:12 PM
The sad thing is that there are a lot of people, in the real world, that are just like CLU. They wear mental/spiritual blinders that keep them from seeing the big picture, which, in turn, causes them to take any choice that will keep them in their static, little comfort zones. And when I say any choice, I mean ANY choice. Kinda' shows you how important it is to learn and to better yourself.
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Was CLU meant to be a literal representation of Kevin Flynn? on Wednesday, March, 23, 2011 2:53 PM
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Darth Tronage User
Posts: 253 | RE: Was CLU meant to be a literal representation of Kevin Flynn? on Saturday, March, 26, 2011 9:12 PM
DarthMoose74 and ShadowDragon1 have nailed the theme of Flynn and Clue. They might have looked the same on the outside. But on the inside, they were opposites. For Flynn, perfection of the Grid was for the sake of the inhabitants. While for Clue, the inhabitants were for the sake of the Grid.
Sounds like some tree huggers out there. The earth is not for the people but the people are for the earth. Clue would be proud.
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IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | RE: Was CLU meant to be a literal representation of Kevin Flynn? on Saturday, March, 26, 2011 9:32 PM
Think perhaps Clu was the way he was because he had no one to teach him? Once Flynn seemed to lose interest in Clu, he became the rebel child. Flynn then had to go into hiding because of the his negligence of the rebel child, thus causing even more rebellion to a harsher degree. In hindsight, Flynn needed to be there for his own construct, and he wasn't.where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online
Forget it, Mr High and Mighty Master Control. You aren't making me talk.
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