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Moses613
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Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 2:41 PM
Okay just stick with me here as I throw this out: We all know what it looked like when the laser took Flynn apart in Tron and transported him into the computer world. But why was ths effect almost completely glossed over in the new movie? It would have rocked had they updated it. Leaving it out would have been as though the new Star Trek movie didn't show what beaming someplace looked like even though it was a prequel. It still had to look different and cool, you get me?

The first thing we see when Sam is in the Tron universe is that everyting around him in his dad's Tron-world office is cleaner. He is apparently unaware at all that he was transported anywhere and has suffered no shock at all from having been through such a rough and transformative experience until he runs outside and finds the recognizer all up in his business.

Okay, but doesn't Sam also seem to be waking up with a start from taking a nap, leaned forward on the console just after he's zapped? He's been up for hours, parachuted and gotten out of jail. You could certainly make the argument that he's tired and fell asleep and dreamed the entire adventure aside from Quorra really being there with him in the "real" world. I'm not even going to get into what the last minutues of the film meant, what his getting back was like, did he make it back out with his dad, what was he downloading on to the chip arouind his neck (his dad?) and many other mysteries. I just get the feeling they shot a movie that ideally could have been in two parts and instead left out or glossed over a TON of material that was alluded to in Legacy.


 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 2:56 PM
Um.... no. From Sam's POV his transport was near instantaneous. He knows something has happened, looks around, everything looks familiar but different. According to Kosinski he intentionally left out the laser digitization because he wanted to show us what it would be like from Sam's POV and because he was trying to evoke a Wizard Of Oz motif like when Dorothy wakes up still in her bed in the house only to find a colorful world outside. His dad's office in the Tron world was just a gateway point and the arcade an icon of the gateway.


 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 2:57 PM

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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 2:58 PM
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 3:04 PM
(means "No")

I did really miss that there wasn't an update of the digitizing animation and travel through the digital "wormhole" and fly though of digital pixels and icons and stuff... Was one of the only two minor disappointments I had (the other being that I think they should of shown a little of Sam on the Rectifier fighting and derezzing the guards on the throne ship/control center. Instead of just hearing him pwn them from the otherside of the door.

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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 3:07 PM
I really like the fact that they didn't show the guard fight on the Rectifier. It seems much more dramatically intense just hearing the discs/derezzing sounds while a scared Jarvis stares at the door and the music in that scene is just awesome. A brilliant example of how less is more.


 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 3:35 PM
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CorrupTron
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 3:52 PM
Meh. It lessens the impact of what is implied. The music and sound FX let our imaginations fill in the rest. We don't always have to be shown everything to get the point. Too many filmmakers today hit us over the head with the obvious and it is refreshing that their are still directors like Kosinski who understand this.


 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 4:03 PM
A good storyteller doesn't need to give you all the information, just enough implication for you to fill in the blanks. It's much more real that way. If you know every detail of what happens, you lose control... you're just being spoon-fed baby mush. If you leave out a few visual clues, or put small gaps in the story (The jump from Empire Strikes Back to Return of the Jedi, for instance) forces you to think and actively participate in the storytelling, which overall gives a far more satisfying experience.

Of course, there are some people who like spoon-fed storytelling, and that's cool. That's what movies like Transformers are for- an escape from thinking.

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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 4:07 PM
I liked how they only had the sounds of Sam fighting (I thought it made for a neat moment to see Jarvis worriedly awaiting the outcome) but I also felt like there wasn't as much disc fighting in the movie as I would have wanted. I'm kinda torn on that issue.

Similarly, I thought it was real neat to see the digitizing from his point of view, but had been very excited to see the digitizing process again and so was disappointed when we didn't.

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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 4:52 PM
CorrupTron Wrote:I really like the fact that they didn't show the guard fight on the Rectifier. It seems much more dramatically intense just hearing the discs/derezzing sounds while a scared Jarvis stares at the door and the music in that scene is just awesome. A brilliant example of how less is more.

Totally agree. Some might think it was just a cop-out by the filmakers, but in reality, it worked perfectly. Less IS indeed more in some cases.

Oh my User....i love this movie!! Looking forward to seeing it again !

So back to the original topic - Was Sam asleep?

Hmm...well i can see where one could get that impression based on his body position the very moment the camera cuts to that 1st scene in the electronic world. I like the color shift in light there ( from a yellowish light to a purple-ish tone). It makes it seem we are seeing a huge jump in time periods , from day to night in a millasecond. Of course in the film, we already know Sam visits the arcade at nightime, so that was not the case, but i really liked how just that simple lighting change made it SEEM a long time had passed.

Those first few moments when he is on the 'other side' are great. Personally i like how they did not include a 'transitional sequence' between the worlds. When i first saw the film, i liked how it left me not sure if Sam was on The Grid or not. It was not overly clear at first because of the fact we did'nt visually see him make the jump. That was a nice way of handling it, as not knowing for certain until he steps outside the arcade added some anticipation. It also made, in my opinion, the appearance of the first Recognizer have more of an impact then if it was made obvious beforehand where Sam was exactly. That was great...and we all remember how incredibly awesome it was to see that scene!




 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 5:16 PM
CorrupTron Wrote:I really like the fact that they didn't show the guard fight on the Rectifier. It seems much more dramatically intense just hearing the discs/derezzing sounds while a scared Jarvis stares at the door and the music in that scene is just awesome. A brilliant example of how less is more.
Precisely, then you get to fill it in. You know what they say about how you imagine something bad and it's always worse than it really is? Probably imagining the fight makes it that much more badass.

(I also thought it was another Star Wars parallel, lol. Isn't there a scene like that in one of the Star Wars movies?)

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CorrupTron
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 5:24 PM
Kat Wrote:
CorrupTron Wrote:I really like the fact that they didn't show the guard fight on the Rectifier. It seems much more dramatically intense just hearing the discs/derezzing sounds while a scared Jarvis stares at the door and the music in that scene is just awesome. A brilliant example of how less is more.
Precisely, then you get to fill it in. You know what they say about how you imagine something bad and it's always worse than it really is? Probably imagining the fight makes it that much more badass.

(I also thought it was another Star Wars parallel, lol. Isn't there a scene like that in one of the Star Wars movies?)


Well the first thing that sprang to mind was in Revenge of the Sith when Anakin ignites his lightsaber in front of the younglings. We don't actually see him murdering them, only the aftermath. The shot of the innocent child looking to Anakin for guidance and him igniting his lightsaber was dramatically intense. We knew what was about to happen and didn't need to see the slaughter.order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pillwhere to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online


 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 5:34 PM
Sam hunched over was probably from the momentum of being jolted into the digital world. Like when you slam the brakes on a car and the momentum lunges you forward. Or if you were to free-fall drop in a carnival ride and then reach the bottom before it goes back up, your body compresses down into the seat and you squish down a little. That, or a combination thereof, is what I think is happening to Sam.

I would've much preferred a journey through a wormhole. The moment of the Wizard of Oz effect in Tron Legacy wasn't as stark and awe-inspiring as I was hoping for. (Now when the recognizers beamed him up and they shuttled him to the destination, that's a different story. Loved that. But I don't equate those minutes as constituting the Wizard of Oz effect.)

As for the fight scene we didn't see, that was certainly powerful, along with the music that went alongside. But i would've maybe liked to see something more climactic. Kosinki had an epic fight scene planned there that they had charted out, but he couldn't do it due to production timeline constraints. Maybe we will see storyboards of what he was thinking in the Blu-Ray extras. Or it'd be cool if they made that fight scene and put it into a Director's Cut.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill


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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 5:44 PM
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 7:42 PM
For me, not seeing Sam taking on the guards is an issue.

I can't hear the fighting sounds so

I need /visual/ cues! ;_; Sound cues do /nothing/!


ETA-- I really hate that they didn't expand on the digitalization. The average person would not have noticed that something happened. It was just blink and miss. Then again, I'm an old school fan. While Tron Legacy was good, it wasn't perfect. (Neither was Tron.)where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 7:45 PM
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 7:45 PM
Except the theatres in my home town /never/ got them.

So I'm stuck waiting for the DVD/blu-ray

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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 8:12 PM
Agreed, .


 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 8:59 PM
CorrupTron Wrote:I really like the fact that they didn't show the guard fight on the Rectifier. It seems much more dramatically intense just hearing the discs/derezzing sounds while a scared Jarvis stares at the door and the music in that scene is just awesome. A brilliant example of how less is more.

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