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Disc Warrior
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 11:12 PM
Traahn Wrote:Sam hunched over was probably from the momentum of being jolted into the digital world. Like when you slam the brakes on a car and the momentum lunges you forward. Or if you were to free-fall drop in a carnival ride and then reach the bottom before it goes back up, your body compresses down into the seat and you squish down a little. That, or a combination thereof, is what I think is happening to Sam.

I would've much preferred a journey through a wormhole. The moment of the Wizard of Oz effect in Tron Legacy wasn't as stark and awe-inspiring as I was hoping for. (Now when the recognizers beamed him up and they shuttled him to the destination, that's a different story. Loved that. But I don't equate those minutes as constituting the Wizard of Oz effect.)

As for the fight scene we didn't see, that was certainly powerful, along with the music that went alongside. But i would've maybe liked to see something more climactic. Kosinki had an epic fight scene planned there that they had charted out, but he couldn't do it due to production timeline constraints. Maybe we will see storyboards of what he was thinking in the Blu-Ray extras. Or it'd be cool if they made that fight scene and put it into a Director's Cut.
I'm actually glad that there was no wormhole...I think that it's overdone. I thought the effect they used was good. I'd also point out that the Wizard Of Oz thing wasn't instantaneous either.


 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Thursday, March, 17, 2011 11:39 PM
It's overdone in other sci-fi movies, but I see it as something that should be part of Tron canon -- it's just one of the things that should be done to get into the computer. A nice transition.

It wasn't just a wormhole in Tron; it was an entire visual journey to the grid. It started off briefly in a wormhole, but soon we were flying through digital blips and then over the Tron world, over the mesa, showing several corrupt (red and blackened) I/O towers, then flying under the digital clouds, approaching an I/O tower where we finally flew into a non-corrupt (green) I/O tower. I consider only the first portion standard worm-hole affair, but not too typical. Typical sci-fi wormholes have to do with space and spaceshipts... this is going into a computer, so it's a bit different.

As for the Wizard of Oz, I'm afraid it was a "moment." If you watch Oz again, the moment of awe that most everyone notices as the OMG moment is and has always been when Dorothy opens the door and the video goes from black & white, to color. That instant. Similarly, Kosinski wanted the effect from 2-D to 3-D to be the same. That instant. When comparing the "moments," T:L just wasn't in the same league as Oz, imo.

Yes, we could talk about the minutes that followed the B&W-to-color transition, where we see the beauty of the yellow brick road and the munchkins, etc., and compare that to the minutes that followed the transition from 3-D to 2-D, where we see Sam getting snatched up by a Recognizer and flying around, but that's not what Kosinski meant, imo.

PS: I like this part, when Sam's eyes light up when marrying with the identity disc, as if a digital synapse link is established between him and the disc:

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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Friday, March, 18, 2011 12:06 AM
Oh I meant that when she wakes up it's not in color. After she opens the door, yeah, it's color.

Technically the whole thing was in color but to make the transition look cool they painted the interior of the house sepia and they had a stunt double wear a sepia colored dress and walk out of the frame and they had Judy Garland walk forward in her colored dress. /useless trivia bit of the day.


 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Friday, March, 18, 2011 12:07 AM
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Friday, March, 18, 2011 12:17 AM
well, actually....


id figured that sam had energy because of

a] the food

b] the drinks at the End of Line club...

all that stuff is pure energy. just like how Flynn, Tron, and Ram found that energy reservoir in the first film which completely restored their strength.

although it has crossed my mind that Sam never slept throughout the entire movie....
but it makes sense once you realized he ingests energy a couple different times in a period under 8 hours.


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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Friday, March, 18, 2011 1:17 AM
CorrupTron Wrote:I really like the fact that they didn't show the guard fight on the Rectifier. It seems much more dramatically intense just hearing the discs/derezzing sounds while a scared Jarvis stares at the door and the music in that scene is just awesome. A brilliant example of how less is more.

Couldn't disagree more. In this case, less was just less. I was looking forward to seeing Sam get out there and kick some ass. Not just hold out until someone else showed up to save him, but to actually show his skills and trounce the enemy. That was the moment in the film where we would have received that dramatic payoff. And it was originally intended to take place onscreen:

http://collider.com/joseph-kosinski-interview-tron-legacy-tron-3-reshoots-easter-eggs/66520/
While most might think Kosinski was able to shoot everything he wanted, he revealed what he didn’t have the time to shoot:

“There was going to be… I boarded this whole sequence and we were planning on shooting it but we didn’t have time. When Sam goes for the disc, up in the throne room, when we walks into that room and those two sentries come out, and he pulls his disc and they are like, “Identify yourself, program.” And he says, “I’m not a program. My name’s Sam Flynn.” And then you cut to Jarvis and you hear this battle going on and he turns around. I was originally supposed to shoot that entire fight. There were supposed to be four sentries that come out and Sam is supposed to be in this ridiculous disc fight in that room with those security pods down. So, hiding behind the things with things bouncing around and it was supposed to be a huge fight sequence. We came to a point in shooting where I had to cut days out; I had to cut time out of the schedule. That was a scene that was lost. So, it’s all boarded and pre-vis’d. Maybe that will end up on the Blu-ray someday. Or maybe in 30 years I’ll go back and reshoot it.”

So Mr. Kosinski, if you're out there reading this, please do not listen to the guy I just responded to. If the opportunity ever arises for you to actually shoot that scene and add it to a future release of T:L, do it. abortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion


 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Friday, March, 18, 2011 1:30 AM
Argent Wrote:
CorrupTron Wrote:I really like the fact that they didn't show the guard fight on the Rectifier. It seems much more dramatically intense just hearing the discs/derezzing sounds while a scared Jarvis stares at the door and the music in that scene is just awesome. A brilliant example of how less is more.

Couldn't disagree more. In this case, less was just less. I was looking forward to seeing Sam get out there and kick some ass. Not just hold out until someone else showed up to save him, but to actually show his skills and trounce the enemy. That was the moment in the film where we would have received that dramatic payoff. And it was originally intended to take place onscreen:

http://collider.com/joseph-kosinski-interview-tron-legacy-tron-3-reshoots-easter-eggs/66520/
While most might think Kosinski was able to shoot everything he wanted, he revealed what he didn’t have the time to shoot:

“There was going to be… I boarded this whole sequence and we were planning on shooting it but we didn’t have time. When Sam goes for the disc, up in the throne room, when we walks into that room and those two sentries come out, and he pulls his disc and they are like, “Identify yourself, program.” And he says, “I’m not a program. My name’s Sam Flynn.” And then you cut to Jarvis and you hear this battle going on and he turns around. I was originally supposed to shoot that entire fight. There were supposed to be four sentries that come out and Sam is supposed to be in this ridiculous disc fight in that room with those security pods down. So, hiding behind the things with things bouncing around and it was supposed to be a huge fight sequence. We came to a point in shooting where I had to cut days out; I had to cut time out of the schedule. That was a scene that was lost. So, it’s all boarded and pre-vis’d. Maybe that will end up on the Blu-ray someday. Or maybe in 30 years I’ll go back and reshoot it.”

So Mr. Kosinski, if you're out there reading this, please do not listen to the guy I just responded to. If the opportunity ever arises for you to actually shoot that scene and add it to a future release of T:L, do it.
There is some storyboard of it in "The art of Tron Legacy" book.


 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Friday, March, 18, 2011 2:16 AM
Disc Warrior Wrote:There is some storyboard of it in "The art of Tron Legacy" book.

I was already interested in the artbook, but now that you told me that, I'm definitely going to have to pick it up.



 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Saturday, March, 19, 2011 1:08 PM
With regards to the Laser beam...

I think Stargate may have hampered that effect somewhat.
In the movie, when Kurt Russell & his troops step through it, we are then treated to a 10-15 second view of hurtling through deep space towards the alien planet.
If they had done the same kind of thing (regardless of how good it make look) then some people might still doing comparisons...


 
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Saturday, March, 19, 2011 1:32 PM
EXODUS Wrote:With regards to the Laser beam...

I think Stargate may have hampered that effect somewhat.
In the movie, when Kurt Russell & his troops step through it, we are then treated to a 10-15 second view of hurtling through deep space towards the alien planet.
If they had done the same kind of thing (regardless of how good it make look) then some people might still doing comparisons...
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RE: Was Sam asleep through his whole time in the Tron world?

on Saturday, March, 19, 2011 1:51 PM
EXODUS Wrote:With regards to the Laser beam...

I think Stargate may have hampered that effect somewhat.
In the movie, when Kurt Russell & his troops step through it, we are then treated to a 10-15 second view of hurtling through deep space towards the alien planet.
If they had done the same kind of thing (regardless of how good it make look) then some people might still doing comparisons...


Except that Tron did it 13 years before Stargate. Nobody was making comparisons to 2001 in 1982.


 
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