LadyTron Wrote:Kevin maybe had an overinflated sense of confidence at that moment---like father like son?

i agree. being treated like a deity is bound to mess up anyone
it's definitely not a mentally healthy thing for humans
to experience.

the lure of the grid means a lot more when we consider
that during the early days it's a place where flynn is treated like a god.

let's consider encom where they treat flynn like a boss then
compare it to the grid where they treat him like a god.
little wonder that flynn spent a lot of time on the grid.
(must have been an additional emotional high for flynn)

sam is in a similarly elevated position - being a controlling
shareholder of encom.

we can clearly see the "i answer to no one" mentality in both flynns

yep the father and the son are definitely alike considering:

sam's disregard of allans concerns about encom
is practically an echo of flynn's disregard of
clu's concerns about the grid when the isos manifested.

flynn's refusal to take an active role in taking back control of grid
is echoed in sam's refusal to take an active role in controlling
the excesses of encom higher-ups.

I don't think it's in terms of right or wrong, just the debate of youth vs. experience and how Sam and Kevin need each other to get to a goal--a yin/yang sort of thing. Not sure if this makes any sense.

yep and part of their journey is how to come to terms with the faults and strengths they see in each other

the solar sailer scene is a nice closure, the only time the two flynns
get to laugh and connect is when sam and flynn truly feel they are
on the same team with a common goal of reaching the portal.

sam the little boy wanting his dad to be on his side is clearly evident.
i guess that's why the movie started out that way.

i guess we can sum up sam's questions and mentality as:
"dad did you try everything humanly possible to come back to me"

also i guess flynn's last words to sam were kind of prophetic
with flynn finally fulfilling his last promise to young sam

flynn: tomorrow you and i hit the arcade. you can have a crack
at the old man's high score. first game is on me

sam: can we play doubles? on the same team?

they both played a game at the arcade and they played on the
same team.

Kat Wrote:How would they have gotten out in time for them to also reach the portal if they hadn't acted?

Given Alan another page? If Clu could do it, Flynn should certainly have been able to.

Kat Wrote: ShadowSpark Wrote: Kat Wrote:How would they have gotten out in time for them to also reach the portal if they hadn't acted? Given Alan another page? If Clu could do it, Flynn should certainly have been able to. Yeah, but if 8 hours in the Grid is 10 minutes in the real world, the portal would've been closed by the time Alan said "what the...another page?" and put his shoes on!

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rimwall Wrote: rimwall Wrote:well it is a theory but if we run with the theory we could say: yep and ordinary programs have to convice the laser programs to do their laser duties so ordinary programs can get out. then they would need flynn's master disk then they would need to go to the presumably "hard to get" portal location. it's something like a triple lock. well a double lock if the portal is already open. flynn's actions in the betrayal comics also shows him taking risks and flying untested flyers. he constantly risks getting knocked unconscious during the early days of the grid. getting knocked out can take hours. i'd like to think flynn had a plan B during his early reckless days. ooops forgot one programs also have to figure out how to make the flynn's disk work for an ordinary program the master disk works specifically for flynn's user body. that would make it four locks and stealing flynn's disk during the early days of the grid would not be easy because clu, clu's army, and tron will be hunting down the thief and flynn would still have the option to monitor when the laser programs are activated

oops forgot another one

during the early days of the grid flynn has the option of
temporarily detaining the yori program she seems to be part
of the un-digitization process. with yori detained and not doing her duties-
un-digitization would be impossible.

its like when allan cant run/execute his tron program because
the MCP had tron detained in the game grid.

that would make it five locks

rimwall Wrote:oops forgot another one during the early days of the grid flynn has the option of temporarily detaining the yori program she seems to be part of the un-digitization process. with yori detained and not doing her duties- un-digitization would be impossible. its like when allan cant run/execute his tron program because the MCP had tron detained in the game grid. that would make it five locks

Yori was needed to extract humans from the grid?

Is THAT what she was going on about in the control room? "356 99 correct 4 & 8 missing" Is that a reference to Flynn being on the loose?

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ShadowSpark Wrote: Kat Wrote: ShadowSpark Wrote: Kat Wrote:How would they have gotten out in time for them to also reach the portal if they hadn't acted? Given Alan another page? If Clu could do it, Flynn should certainly have been able to. Yeah, but if 8 hours in the Grid is 10 minutes in the real world, the portal would've been closed by the time Alan said "what the...another page?" and put his shoes on! Yeah, that's why they would have paged him. He could reopen the portal from the outside and let them out.

But how would he know they were in there and that he needed to let them out?

Kat Wrote: ShadowSpark Wrote: Kat Wrote: ShadowSpark Wrote: Kat Wrote:How would they have gotten out in time for them to also reach the portal if they hadn't acted? Given Alan another page? If Clu could do it, Flynn should certainly have been able to. Yeah, but if 8 hours in the Grid is 10 minutes in the real world, the portal would've been closed by the time Alan said "what the...another page?" and put his shoes on! Yeah, that's why they would have paged him. He could reopen the portal from the outside and let them out. But how would he know they were in there and that he needed to let them out?

I don't know. Well, obviously he would recognize the laser, so he might be able to infer things. *shrugs*

typicaltronname Wrote:I can't find the other topic, but did you ever decide on which car Sam would drive?

No, dammit. After checking out a few of the Mitsubishi Eclipses on the road, I'm not so sure about them. Bit too rice-y perhaps. Still not convinced on a muscle car, though. And, like I said, still not convinced that he wouldn't just get some average whatever, just to be able to say "I got a car, there," since he'd rarely be using it--why get something fancy just to park it most of the time? Under the premise that the Ducati's what he really cares about and a car's just for if you need to haul more groceries or people than you can on the bike.

Maybe leaning toward an M5 though. I admit a bit of bias since my partner just bought one used and I like it, but after riding in it [but not driving it yet, grr!], I could almost see it, especially with a couple mods (before I had written off Sam in a BMW, though it was one I'd strongly considered).

If it were something expensive, it'd definitely have to be performance, not flashy. I don't think Sam would give a crap about that--can't see him in a Cadillac or something. I can just imagine: "Alan. A Cadillac? Really? Why don't YOU get one?"

I'm still thinking silver in color for some reason though, or a dark metallic gray.

Kat Wrote: typicaltronname Wrote:I can't find the other topic, but did you ever decide on which car Sam would drive? No, dammit. After checking out a few of the Mitsubishi Eclipses on the road, I'm not so sure about them. Bit too rice-y perhaps. Still not convinced on a muscle car, though. And, like I said, still not convinced that he wouldn't just get some average whatever, just to be able to say "I got a car, there," since he'd rarely be using it--why get something fancy just to park it most of the time? Under the premise that the Ducati's what he really cares about and a car's just for if you need to haul more groceries or people than you can on the bike. Maybe leaning toward an M5 though. I admit a bit of bias since my partner just bought one used and I like it, but after riding in it [but not driving it yet, grr!], I could almost see it, especially with a couple mods (before I had written off Sam in a BMW, though it was one I'd strongly considered). If it were something expensive, it'd definitely have to be performance, not flashy. I don't think Sam would give a crap about that--can't see him in a Cadillac or something. I can just imagine: "Alan. A Cadillac? Really? Why don't YOU get one?" I'm still thinking silver in color for some reason though, or a dark metallic gray.

Doesn't Sam drive this car? Can't identify what is though.

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