Gnoop Wrote: IluthraDanar Wrote: Colemagoo Wrote:Real question is, why didn't Sam derezz Clu when he had his back turned? I don't think killing Clu would be that easy anyway. Surely someone would have done it by then. Hated that they mention this faction of Resistors once at End of Line Club, and that was it. So I assume not all programs love their fearless leader. Kevin also mentioned the resistance to Sam. It was part of his reasoning for not doing anything. He thought he could just let the unrest continue until there was a rebellion against Clu. He could step in at that point, possibly.

Isn't this resistance what the upcoming cartoon will focus on? I believe (could be mistaken) that the character seen talking to Castor will be a key character in the soon to be released series.

I don't think it was "tacked on". It made sense to me that Flynn would delve into a form of spirituality that dealt with letting go of "wants" and that would help in dealing with a difficult situation beyond one's control.

This ties in with Flynn's being trapped in The Grid for what seems like over a thousand years or vastly more to him. It also ties into Flynn loosing influence over Clu and having to go into hiding. One aspect of Zen Buddhism is acting along the path of least resistance against those things one cannot change. When one finds the action of least resistance, then change will unfold.

IMO this aspect of Flynn elevated and fleshed out his character more. A totally distant and "disconnected", and insane Kevin Flynn would be interesting but would be far less likable or relatable. His zen perspective helped to preserve his humaness and shows that he had gained insight and wisdom.
I think that through his spiritual paradigm the Flynn was able to to hold on to some degree of sanity. on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online

ShadowDragon1 Wrote:I don't think it was "tacked on". It made sense to me that Flynn would delve into a form of spirituality that dealt with letting go of "wants" and that would help in dealing with a difficult situation beyond one's control. This ties in with Flynn's being trapped in The Grid for what seems like over a thousand years or vastly more to him. It also ties into Flynn loosing influence over Clu and having to go into hiding. Zen is the path of least resistance against those things one cannot change. When one finds the action of least resistance, then change will unfold. IMO this aspect of Flynn elevated and fleshed out his character more. A totally distant and "disconnected", and insane Kevin Flynn would be interesting but would be far less likable or relatable. His zen perspective helped to preserve his humaness and shows that he had gained insight and wisdom. I think that through his spiritual paradigm the Flynn was able to to hold on to some degree of sanity.

Agreed. Without having delved, as you said, maybe he wouldn't have come to the conclusion he revealed to Clu on the portal bridge. It gave him a sense of wisdom and clarity. Of course, it's not as if other religious studies wouldn't get him to the same frame of mind.

"The thing about perfection is it's unknowable. It's impossible, and yet it's right in front of us all the time."

As far as his likeness to The Dude...I think it's just a natural progression of his character. We're all fans here, so we KNOW the first film. Did no one catch just how Dudely he already was (in his manner of speaking, at least)? He wasn't far off at the time.

Whether Flynn was a Zen Buddhist or not, we would have still had to hear shitty one-liners. It's a Disney movie. The fact that they happened to be about Zen Buddhism really doesn't matter so quit complaining about it.
Also, the game he and Quorra played is Go, you don't have to be an ignorant racist when discussing it.

And the fact that Jeff Bridges chose Zen Buddhism is awesome. You try and argue that he should be playing a character that was written, but he was that character back in 1982 and he is going to have the best idea on who Flynn would become if something like this were to happen. Zen Buddhism isn't like a God worshipping religion, it's a way to let go and come to terms with one's situation and fit his situation (and the Tron world) perfectly. Before Kevin was trapped in the Grid, he had become very spiritual when he found the ISOs knowing the miracle that they were. And it's not like he was a Zen Buddhist the entire time just sitting there. He specifically states himself that he resisted for a while, but it only generated greater opposition. That he would attain a Zen sense of being sitting in hiding for several years makes complete sense.

Something to realize about CLU... all of his angst and frustration is actually quite justifiable. In my opinion, CLU doesn't really hate Flynn. CLU in many ways, is like a child trying to appease a father - or a deity. When he's on the platform, saying, "I did what you asked of me", he really feels like a little boy asking for approval. It might sound petty to us since we have the notion of, "Just be happy with yourself", but CLU was created solely for that purpose. As long as his Creator is unhappy with his performance, he feels like a failure. It's really quite sad and almost brings tears to my eyes. CLU couldn't have killed Kevin, because when you get right down to it, he loves him like a father.

If you look at the comics, there are things CLU says that almost mirror what Sam does about his father. They both have abandonment issues. CLU feels it whenever Flynn goes back to the real world, and Sam feels it when Flynn disappears. And they both deal with that abandonment with a rebellious, sometimes self-destructive nature, and both continued doing what they thought Kevin would've wanted.

I felt really bad for CLU.

As for people complaining about Kevin's Zen philosophies... why WOULDN'T he turn to philosophy? "Removing Oneself from the Equation" sounds like a perfectly logical thing for a human to learn to handle when they've been cut off from normal reality.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

I fully concur with Tron Fanatic's post. Excellently said man.

Abraxas Wrote: Errex Wrote:Heat? All I saw was light and then the change in focus to make Sam look sharper framed by the chakram closer to the camera point of view. I don't think the disks would produce any kind of heat. They did. It was the scene when Sam faces his first opponent in the grid. The guy was holding his disc. The camera was close to it and you could see the air warped by the heat, just like a highway on a hot day.

I would think energy, not heat?

TRON.dll Wrote:Sounded like predator clicking to me.

Or perhaps an emphasis that Tron is rather "machine-like" now...unnatural, etc. Makes you wonder what Clu had to do to him to get him rectified in the first place.

Oh, all right. Or maybe it's just somewhat Darth-Vader like. There's really a good guy in there somewhere under the black outfit/helmet and weird noises, and in the end he turns good, and... (really, I can't stop seeing SO MANY Star Wars parallels in this movie. Just can't.)

Tron Fanatic Wrote:As for people complaining about Kevin's Zen philosophies... why WOULDN'T he turn to philosophy? "Removing Oneself from the Equation" sounds like a perfectly logical thing for a human to learn to handle when they've been cut off from normal reality.

Not to mention, a really good excuse for not doing Jack or Shit about your own situation, which is what is pissing Sam off. And he's got Quorra swallowing it hook, line, and sinker (only up to a point, luckily).

zordmaker Wrote: Abraxas Wrote:I have a question, remember the scene when Sam is first thrown into the game grid and they show the guy holding the disc up close? Remember how cool it looked with the heat coming off of it. Reality check....if there was so much heat coming off of it how in the hell did anyone keep it in their hands? They never emphasized this anywhere else in the film. Yet another of the '100s of examples of things in this movie that were done for absolutely no other reason than the fact that someone in the creative team thought it looked cool. Who cares about telling a story anyway? ZM

Ever play a video game where friendly-fire can be turned off? Those discs also have spinning blades on them and they don't hurt their owners. TRON in part operates by video game rules, even if the rules don't make sense in our world, such as bikes that turn at 90 degrees.

Martial artists with training, can hold and throw knifes, and shuriken and they aren't injured by them holding them.
In a digital world with video game-esqe games like Disc Wars, weapons have their own rules to them.

A Program's own Disc doesnt harm their hand, but contact with another Program, when thrown with signifacant force becomes deadly.
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Tron Fanatic Wrote:It's more than that. These blades are constantly moving, even if the disc hasn't been thrown yet. They're even spinning in melee, as demonstrated by Sam and Rinzler in close-combat, and the iconic shot of Sam framed by one, the blade can clearly be seen to be moving. And when the discs are in contact with one another, sparks constantly fly.

Just like lightsabers. Geez. Well, at least they don't make the sound... Dammit, Jeff Bridges!