IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | Simple question to discuss on Friday, February, 18, 2011 10:17 PM
Why didn't CLU kill Flynn when he had the chance?
Someone had posted the bridge scene at youtube so I watched it. CLU was furious at Flynn, was about to strike and purposely missed him. Why do you think that was?where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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Posts: 1,025 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Friday, February, 18, 2011 10:20 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Why didn't CLU kill Flynn when he had the chance?
Someone had posted the bridge scene at youtube so I watched it. CLU was furious at Flynn, was about to strike and purposely missed him. Why do you think that was? |
Perhaps he wanted to keep Flynn to learn more of what it is to be a USER and how to manipulate the grid the way they can.
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Posts: 1,667 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Friday, February, 18, 2011 10:22 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Why didn't CLU kill Flynn when he had the chance?
Someone had posted the bridge scene at youtube so I watched it. CLU was furious at Flynn, was about to strike and purposely missed him. Why do you think that was? |
He had a choice at that moment, either kill Flynn or try to get into the real world.
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Friday, February, 18, 2011 10:39 PM
Well, he doesn't just look up and go "damn, they're leaving without me". He strikes at Flynn but misses, and then goes after Sam and Quorra. I think Clu has deep feelings for Flynn as his Creator. I wish they'd had time to examine that but I know, it was an action show, not a psychology show. :-)
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Posts: 14 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Sunday, February, 20, 2011 11:46 PM
Real question is, why didn't Sam derezz Clu when he had his back turned?
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Posts: 159 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Sunday, February, 20, 2011 11:50 PM
Now what's really going to bake your noodle is what really happened after Kevin reintegrated with Clu. All we see is a super bright light, we never actually see Kevin get derezzed or anything.
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IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Monday, February, 21, 2011 12:16 AM
Colemagoo Wrote:Real question is, why didn't Sam derezz Clu when he had his back turned? |
I don't think killing Clu would be that easy anyway. Surely someone would have done it by then.
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Posts: 159 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Monday, February, 21, 2011 12:20 AM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Colemagoo Wrote:Real question is, why didn't Sam derezz Clu when he had his back turned? |
I don't think killing Clu would be that easy anyway. Surely someone would have done it by then.
Hated that they mention this faction of Resistors once at End of Line Club, and that was it. So I assume not all programs love their fearless leader. |
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Posts: 35 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Monday, February, 21, 2011 3:52 AM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Why didn't CLU kill Flynn when he had the chance?
Someone had posted the bridge scene at youtube so I watched it. CLU was furious at Flynn, was about to strike and purposely missed him. Why do you think that was? |
I had the same question myself, amongst others. I guess Clu figured out Sam and Quorra wouldn't have a reason to hold off rematerializing in the real world if he killed Flynn on the spot. Perhaps he knew the emotional bond users have with each other and sort of capitalized on that by keeping Flynn alive. Sam was reluctant to go back to the real world til the very end since he badly wanted to get his dad back.
Also, Clu was probably capable of evaluating short term vs long term goals (i.e. getting rid of an imperfection, a user, that is Kevin Flynn vs. making a "perfect system" out of the real world.)
As far as Sam not attempting to derezz Clu, remember Quorra got in the way with her "lightsaber". Sam probably didn't have a clear shot as Quorra was blocking his way, and Quorra's directive why she didn't do it herself was to protect Sam per Kevin's instructions. She was behaving as a program should. ;-)
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Posts: 136 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Monday, February, 21, 2011 1:08 PM
I'm not sure that Clu every wanted to actually kill Flynn.
tronleitner Wrote:If you wanna talk about derezzing Clu Tron could've done it after he defeated the Black Guards during KF's flashback. Afterall, he had 2 discs. ;-) |
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Posts: 35 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Monday, February, 21, 2011 1:57 PM
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Programming perhaps? Afterall if the disc was returning to its owner that fast it can derezz them on contact. Kinda like in a coop game where you can sometimes set it to friendly fire or ultra realistic. If you were playing one of those hacked Street Fighter games from the early 90s characters can't hurt themselves with their own fireballs. :-) TRON: Fighting for the users since 1982! |
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Posts: 35 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Monday, February, 21, 2011 2:02 PM
trench Wrote:I'm not sure that Clu every wanted to actually kill Flynn.
tronleitner Wrote:If you wanna talk about derezzing Clu Tron could've done it after he defeated the Black Guards during KF's flashback. Afterall, he had 2 discs. ;-) |
My pet theory is that when Tron took the Black Guard's disk, he became corrupted somehow, as you first hear that sort of purring "Rinzler" sound, when Flynn is hiding right after Tron tackles Clu. |
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Posts: 168 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Monday, February, 21, 2011 2:28 PM
Heat?
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IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Monday, February, 21, 2011 8:59 PM
trench Wrote:I'm not sure that Clu every wanted to actually kill Flynn.
tronleitner Wrote:If you wanna talk about derezzing Clu Tron could've done it after he defeated the Black Guards during KF's flashback. Afterall, he had 2 discs. ;-) |
My pet theory is that when Tron took the Black Guard's disk, he became corrupted somehow, as you first hear that sort of purring "Rinzler" sound, when Flynn is hiding right after Tron tackles Clu. |
I had the same idea, as if Tron got that dead program's functions since we see his style of fighting change, and voila, new corrupted program.
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JInfantry23 User
Posts: 99 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Monday, February, 21, 2011 10:33 PM
The reason why CLU didn't kill Kevin was because it was never about killing him, it was all about obtaining his disc.
I think the scene where CLU found Kevin's hide out and the flash-backs that ensued showed that CLU still possessed a 'soft spot' for his creator. He wished that Kevin had embraced his views and there wasn't all this conflict, matter of fact? He couldn't understand why Kevin was objecting to what he was doing because after all - CLU was doing what he was programmed to do, build the perfect system. I think in a way, CLU wished for reconciliation.
It might be curious to note, but I believe CLU fostered resentment to the ISO's and even Sam to a degree because he believed Kevin loved them more. Sort of like an odd sibling rivalry mixed with a bit of psychotic obsession on CLU's part.
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IluthraDanar User
Posts: 1,178 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Tuesday, February, 22, 2011 12:36 AM
@JInfantry23
I agree, much of Clu's temper tantrums were forcused on what seemed to be jealousy. In the safehouse, he cries out "liar!" after remembering his creation and how he and Flynn would change the world, together. In backstories, Flynn leaves the Grid for cycles at a time, so of course that derails Clu's directive. Since he decides to take over, he has to feel anger with Flynn. It's kinda sad really. Bridge scene, he asks Flynn , "why?" Talk about being put second after Sam! Yet he still didn't kill Flynn.
I think a big part of this film I like because Clu is so fascinating. He's cruel, yes, but we see why.
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Posts: 66 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Tuesday, February, 22, 2011 5:44 AM
Abraxas Wrote:I have a question, remember the scene when Sam is first thrown into the game grid and they show the guy holding the disc up close? Remember how cool it looked with the heat coming off of it. Reality check....if there was so much heat coming off of it how in the hell did anyone keep it in their hands? They never emphasized this anywhere else in the film. |
Yet another of the '100s of examples of things in this movie that were done for absolutely no other reason than the fact that someone in the creative team thought it looked cool. Who cares about telling a story anyway?
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Posts: 54 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Tuesday, February, 22, 2011 4:23 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Colemagoo Wrote:Real question is, why didn't Sam derezz Clu when he had his back turned? |
I don't think killing Clu would be that easy anyway. Surely someone would have done it by then.
Hated that they mention this faction of Resistors once at End of Line Club, and that was it. So I assume not all programs love their fearless leader. |
Kevin also mentioned the resistance to Sam. It was part of his reasoning for not doing anything. He thought he could just let the unrest continue until there was a rebellion against Clu. He could step in at that point, possibly.
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Simple question to discuss on Tuesday, February, 22, 2011 5:59 PM
1) The animated series will deal with the resistance and what the different factions of Programs were. Some factions are mentioned on the official website, and in the video games.
Due to filming schedule and to meet deadlines, Joe was unfortunatly could not film a slightly longer scene showing a few representatives of the resistance conversing with Castor/ Zuse was so was cut down to a brief scene with Bartik (from the resistance) briefly speaking to Castor.
2) About Rinzler's "growl". This is a probable after effect of the early Rectification process used by Clu resulted in Rinzler's vocal static "growling" and "breathing."
This I think is meant to represent that Rinzler is in-a-sense "beastial", raptor-like, able to track, capture or kill his "prey", and some of that was shown.
The "growl" is a vague hint of him being a sort of "caged animal" with a virtual leash, commanded and released only when his master Clu needs him. I think the distored, raptor-like growl is indicative of this and helps add to Rinzler's uniqueness.
3) I do not understand some people's dislike and complaints about Flynn's zen spirituality and his manner of speaking
a) Flynn has been trapped in The Grid, in hiding for what seems like to him over a thousand years. A person in that situation would typically loose his mind.
One of the few things that COULD keep a person sane is delving into self-reflection, and delving into spirituality of some sort. For Kevin Flynn it was Zen Buddhism as it deals with letting go of "wants", letting go of and dealing with those things beyond one's control.
Zen Buddhism is a reasonable, meaningful and effective spiritual philosophy for doing such, especially for a person trapped (either literally or metaphorically) by the circumstances of difficult life situatuon.
b) There's NOTHING wrong with following a Zen Buddhist path. It his uncalled for to refer to it just as "hippie crap". I've studied it for two years, and have an affinity for it, and from my experience not everyone that has a zen buddhist outlook is a "hippie".
Flynn's zen spirituality and his new perspective on things, in my view, enhanced his character and was great form of growth of his character going from the laid back, cocky and wise-cracking dude from the original film.
One can't remain cocky and wise-cracking forever, when one feels like they been trapped a dark, digital underworld for what seems like a thousand years to him.
c) Flynn is really *not* "the dude". Flynn was never shown laying around for hours of the day smoking weed, drinking "white russians", or going bowling with some random schmucks.
While the characters of Flynn and "the Dude" share *some* traits, such a degree of
laid-backness, easy going-ness, but that the only simularity IMO.
Where they greatly differ is that Kevin Flynn was actually was very motivated and had a strong creative impulse that he actually followed through on.
He created The Grid, managed the Encom corporation, and wrote game programs.
"The Dude" was *barely* motivated and no where near to Flynn's level of motivation or creative impulse.
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