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IluthraDanar
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Was Tron an illegal program?

on Thursday, February, 17, 2011 9:30 PM
I was driving home the other day and thinking weird things. So I came up with this.

A huge corporation has an operating system (the MCP), and a new security program was written by one of the employees. Said operating system starts hacking into other systems and no one knows except the programmer who wrote the OS, and maybe Walter suspected something was going on, but basically, as far as the company is concerned, its business as usual. Now the security system comes along and gets an unknown upgrade by its creator to shut down the OS of this big corporation. Wouldn't that subsequently throw everything into chaos? Now they have no OS to run their computers. Yet we see the I/O towers lighting up but how are programmers using their computers? And even though Flynn benefited from all this, his pithy search for proof of program theft is nothing compared to shutting down this busy OS. Wouldn't Flynn and Alan be arrested for what they did?

Sorry, I have a long drive home. ;-)


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IluthraDanar
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on Thursday, February, 17, 2011 9:40 PM
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Kat
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RE: Was Tron an illegal program?

on Thursday, February, 17, 2011 10:38 PM
Was the MCP an OS, or just a program that got big and out of control? If the former, yeah, there might be some chaos, although if it was keeping the programmers from using their programs, then it doesn't sound like much work was getting done around there anyway...I mean, what would that have looked like from the user end? Just a big BSOD "sorry, you can't use this system" type thing? I mean, if none of the programs were accessible, then just what WAS the computer system doing? And for how long was this system really unusable, in a corporation, and nobody did anything about it? (It had to have been a long time, right, if none of the programs believed users existed...because surely they would remember for a long time what it was like before the MCP took over and they could communicate with their users, right?)

Okay, yeah, never mind. I GOTTA tell myself "it's just a movie" because otherwise it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me!

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Mayorcan
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RE: Was Tron an illegal program?

on Thursday, February, 17, 2011 10:47 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the MCP wasn't an OS. Just a program that grew so big and out of control that in the story of TRON, it took on several functions of a modern-day OS because it was that freaking advanced.

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Boba Fettuccini
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on Thursday, February, 17, 2011 11:04 PM
Yeah, like if you installed a 3rd party management software that took over several functions of your OS.

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IluthraDanar
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on Thursday, February, 17, 2011 11:34 PM
Does anyone know if Tron 2.0 is canon? I heard that in it, since the MCP was destroyed, the digilaser didn't work right and Lora Baines was killed. Of course we see her now in those fake ENCOM news briefs. Just wondered.


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Kat
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on Friday, February, 18, 2011 7:05 AM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Does anyone know if Tron 2.0 is canon? I heard that in it, since the MCP was destroyed, the digilaser didn't work right and Lora Baines was killed. Of course we see her now in those fake ENCOM news briefs. Just wondered.

Whoa, where was she in the news briefs? I didn't even see that! Do you mean the clips from T:L, or something else? 'Cause I thought Cindy Morgan wasn't involved in any way this time around...

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TRON.dll
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RE: Was Tron an illegal program?

on Friday, February, 18, 2011 7:12 AM
Kat Wrote:
IluthraDanar Wrote:Does anyone know if Tron 2.0 is canon? I heard that in it, since the MCP was destroyed, the digilaser didn't work right and Lora Baines was killed. Of course we see her now in those fake ENCOM news briefs. Just wondered.

Whoa, where was she in the news briefs? I didn't even see that! Do you mean the clips from T:L, or something else? 'Cause I thought Cindy Morgan wasn't involved in any way this time around...

@Kat
She made a surprise appearance with Bruce Boxleitner at the Encom press conference last year.

@IluthraDanar
The filmmakers have officially deemed Tron 2.0 not-canon. More accurately, Tron 2.0's story and events are disregarded in Legacy.


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Gnoop
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RE: Was Tron an illegal program?

on Friday, February, 18, 2011 9:59 AM
IluthraDanar Wrote:I was driving home the other day and thinking weird things. So I came up with this.

A huge corporation has an operating system (the MCP), and a new security program was written by one of the employees. Said operating system starts hacking into other systems and no one knows except the programmer who wrote the OS, and maybe Walter suspected something was going on, but basically, as far as the company is concerned, its business as usual. Now the security system comes along and gets an unknown upgrade by its creator to shut down the OS of this big corporation. Wouldn't that subsequently throw everything into chaos? Now they have no OS to run their computers. Yet we see the I/O towers lighting up but how are programmers using their computers? And even though Flynn benefited from all this, his pithy search for proof of program theft is nothing compared to shutting down this busy OS. Wouldn't Flynn and Alan be arrested for what they did?

Sorry, I have a long drive home. ;-)

The MCP wasn't an operating system really. It was more a program written to handle many events and act as a security program. Through greed, it consumed other applications to take over their previous functions. Remember, it started off as a chess program. A chess program that was likely running on another operating system. You wouldn't write a chess program that also had to control memory and hardware. There's no point. We also have to note that Dumont remembered the times before the MCP, suggesting that the system was up for use before that. So no, I don't believe the MCP is an operating system. The MCP would be the world itself, then.

As for arrested, not really. Since the system is still functional as noted by users accessing the system via the I/O towers, and there's no data loss, there's no problem to be found. If Alan was questioned about Tron, he can state that he sent a memo to Dillinger about it so it's legitimate work for him. He was simply staying late to finish it up since, as he'd stated before, he was pretty close to done. They also got into the building with a hacked identity and Flynn logged in via a hacked identity so the trail is difficult. Even if they could show proof of Tron destroying the MCP, Flynn or Alan could just wipe it out before they left the building. The only real shot at capture is the security cameras, if they exist.



 
cirlin
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on Friday, February, 18, 2011 10:06 AM
One thing to keep in mind when thinking about how Encom seemed to work as a company (with Alan making a program to keep watch on other Encom programs and potentially shutting them down, and with Flynn going in and using company property on his own time to write games) is that back in 1982 the growing world of computer programing was sometimes a more free-wheeling and casual arena with self taught programmers and a culture that was being invented as they went. I'm thinking some of this attitude came through in Tron and things which seem like they would result in lawsuits today would not have been a big deal back then.
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Tron Fanatic
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on Friday, February, 18, 2011 12:18 PM
Who ever said the MCP was an OS?

That wouldn't have just f'ed up ENCOM beyond belief, it also would've utterly destroyed the Grid.

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Kat
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RE: Was Tron an illegal program?

on Friday, February, 18, 2011 5:18 PM
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Kat Wrote:Whoa, where was she in the news briefs? I didn't even see that! Do you mean the clips from T:L, or something else? 'Cause I thought Cindy Morgan wasn't involved in any way this time around...

@Kat
She made a surprise appearance with Bruce Boxleitner at the Encom press conference last year.
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Ah. I had read an article whee she said she was offended that she was never approached about the movie in any way, so maybe the interview I read was before the press conference.

So IOW...in canon she is still alive, though the movie never technically says? I thought they'd just never said one way or the other. Damn, there goes a good part of the plot of my fanfic (I'd been writing it based on something someone here said a good while back about her being dead, without realizing they were referring to Tron 2.0 only, then when I did realize, I didn't want to change anything so I killed her off with cancer when Sam was 15 thinking the canon didn't speak of her at all).
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overRIDE
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on Friday, February, 18, 2011 9:50 PM
Tron wasn't illegal. Alan had Section 6 clearance, and although his job is never really explained, he specifically tells Dillinger that his Tron program was designed specifically to monitor the functions of all programs and incoming and outgoing data. I think it's safe to assume that Alan's project at the time was to write Tron (project as in his actual job, not a personal project). Tron would immediately target the MCP because the MCP is essentially acting like a super-worm/virus.
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IluthraDanar
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on Friday, February, 18, 2011 10:09 PM
Kat Wrote:
TRON.dll Wrote:
Kat Wrote:Whoa, where was she in the news briefs? I didn't even see that! Do you mean the clips from T:L, or something else? 'Cause I thought Cindy Morgan wasn't involved in any way this time around...

@Kat
She made a surprise appearance with Bruce Boxleitner at the Encom press conference last year.
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Ah. I had read an article whee she said she was offended that she was never approached about the movie in any way, so maybe the interview I read was before the press conference.


You can keep writing. I write fan fic andf if I get a little wrong, no harm no foul. JUst have fun doing it.

So IOW...in canon she is still alive, though the movie never technically says? I thought they'd just never said one way or the other. Damn, there goes a good part of the plot of my fanfic (I'd been writing it based on something someone here said a good while back about her being dead, without realizing they were referring to Tron 2.0 only, then when I did realize, I didn't want to change anything so I killed her off with cancer when Sam was 15 thinking the canon didn't speak of her at all).



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IluthraDanar
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RE: Was Tron an illegal program?

on Friday, February, 18, 2011 10:09 PM
Thanks, guys for clarifying for me, what the MCP really was. And I think Alan had a level 7 access, which is why Flynn wanted to forge a level 6.


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Gnoop
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on Monday, February, 21, 2011 12:41 AM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Thanks, guys for clarifying for me, what the MCP really was. And I think Alan had a level 7 access, which is why Flynn wanted to forge a level 6.

Right. Flynn broke in with Group 7 access remotely, the same as what Alan has. He ends up going with Group 6 access from Lora's terminal since all group 7 access was shut down.

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RE: Was Tron an illegal program?

on Tuesday, February, 22, 2011 12:08 PM

I think that the Master Control Program was illegal he was taking over computers and systems..and programs.

And he was just a Program who ran on an over sized IPad LOL

Tron is a Hero since he stopped the evil take over of the MCP.

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c1
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RE: Was Tron an illegal program?

on Tuesday, February, 22, 2011 12:41 PM
If the MCP is a program, then why did he look they way he did? Why did he not take on a human form as the rest of the programs? Was this the way he was designed to look? Or did the MCP gradually progress to what it is, bigger and more intimidating.


 
overRIDE
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RE: Was Tron an illegal program?

on Tuesday, February, 22, 2011 9:02 PM
c1 Wrote:If the MCP is a program, then why did he look they way he did? Why did he not take on a human form as the rest of the programs? Was this the way he was designed to look? Or did the MCP gradually progress to what it is, bigger and more intimidating.

The MCP was a true artificial intelligence and I think his look was most likely inspired by the cyberpunk fiction at the time. The MCP wasn't just one program, but a management database megastructure. He wasn't just software. He was also hardware. And because he was such a huge piece of management software, I think he was designed to look that way in order to maintain control over the Encom system.



 
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