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andybucts
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Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 8:49 AM
I think not. Avatar, The Dark Knight and even Disney's own Toy Story(Buzz and Jessie) has some or even a little twist on the romance category. It wouldn't destroy Quorra's childish, naive and shy image. She will look even more cute if that happens. I posted this a lot of times because I am confused. It's really obvious that they had mutual attraction on the movie while other fans kept saying that they are just friends at best.


 
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 9:48 AM
andybucts Wrote:I think not. Avatar, The Dark Knight and even Disney's own Toy Story(Buzz and Jessie) has some or even a little twist on the romance category. It wouldn't destroy Quorra's childish, naive and shy image. She will look even more cute if that happens. I posted this a lot of times because I am confused. It's really obvious that they had mutual attraction on the movie while other fans kept saying that they are just friends at best.

I'm all about seeing Sam and Quorra in a relationship... I think they are an awesome couple. I just don't want their courtship to be part of the next film. I think TL set up their journey towards being together in a relationship beautifully. It was very subtle(yet totally obvious where it was going), moved at a realistic pace, and didn't detract from the rest of the film. I don't really think the storyline in the sequel will take place immediately after the events of TRON LEGACY so I'd just rather see them already together and happy by the start of the next film. As I've said before in a few other threads... having them already be together will raise the stakes tremendously for each of them.

A good example of the type of relationship I'm talking about would be the one involving Dave and Judy Dutton(Timothy Olyphant and Radha Mitchell) in the remake of The Crazies from last year. The fact that they are happily married and obviously very much in love with each other is never the main focus of the film, but it really makes you understand why they continually risk their lives for one anotherorder abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion


 
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 9:57 AM
DarthMuppet Wrote:
andybucts Wrote:I think not. Avatar, The Dark Knight and even Disney's own Toy Story(Buzz and Jessie) has some or even a little twist on the romance category. It wouldn't destroy Quorra's childish, naive and shy image. She will look even more cute if that happens. I posted this a lot of times because I am confused. It's really obvious that they had mutual attraction on the movie while other fans kept saying that they are just friends at best.

I'm all about seeing Sam and Quorra in a relationship... I think they are an awesome couple. I just don't want their courtship to be part of the next film. I think TL set up their journey towards being together in a relationship beautifully. It was very subtle(yet totally obvious where it was going), moved at a realistic pace, and didn't detract from the rest of the film. I don't really think the storyline in the sequel will take place immediately after the events of TRON LEGACY so I'd just rather see them already together and happy by the start of the next film. As I've said before in a few other threads... having them already be together will raise the stakes tremendously for each of them.

A good example of the type of relationship I'm talking about would be the one involving Dave and Judy Dutton(Timothy Olyphant and Radha Mitchell) in the remake of The Crazies from last year. The fact that they are happily married and obviously very much in love with each other is never the main focus of the film, but it really makes you understand why they continually risk their lives for one another

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terrychoichelsea
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 11:48 AM
I thought we already had a thread to discuss this, why open another one?

well, i mentioned in another thread, if Disney really want to introduce romantic relationship between Sam and Quorra. Fine, but it had to be done very carefully. A romantic relations isn't that easy as people think. Sometimes it's difficult to draw a balance between the romantic part and the whole story. It could go wrong very easy, but difficult to build up a great one. And if it's not executed well, their image may be affected. I'm not saying it's definite, but it's possible.

So, i suggest if Disney really want to do this, hire a better scriptwriter and director first.


 
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 11:54 AM
Speaking of chemistry. I noticed a scene where Gem was slightly bothered at the mention of Quorra's name. I thought there would be a love triangle, tug of war like relationship between Gem, Sam and Quorra. Unfortunately the gorgeous Gem didn't seem to have escaped Clu's exploding goodbyes, along with Zuse.

Was Gem bad or was she just a victim of protocol?

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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 12:17 PM
Nar78 Wrote:Speaking of chemistry. I noticed a scene where Gem was slightly bothered at the mention of Quorra's name. I thought there would be a love triangle, tug of war like relationship between Gem, Sam and Quorra. Unfortunately the gorgeous Gem didn't seem to have escaped Clu's exploding goodbyes, along with Zuse.

Was Gem bad or was she just a victim of protocol?
it's impossible to imagine Gem had feeling on Sam, considering she sold him to Clu in the first place.

I think what you notice is that Gem is bothered by the fact Zuse knows Quorra. She may have feeling on Zuse, but no way it would be Sam. And Quorra will never have feeling on Zuse after he betray her.

Love triangle is a no-go imo.


 
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 2:22 PM
With game grid phase of the story being over the plot now could focus solely on the relationships of the characters day to day lives in the real world. Something along the lines of a romantic comedy culminating with the marriage of Sam and Quorra at the end. It would be beautiful man.


 
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 2:43 PM
i for one do not wanna see the courtship of sam an quorra, its a action movie, not a romance movie. if they end up being a couple its gonna end up being a predictable oh she gets kidnapped of some sort and sam has to save her cuz thats his lady, he does and its oh thank you i love you blah blah blah typical movie fodder. id prefer it stay friends and if she is captured then he comes to save her because she is the key to whatever tech it is they can derive from her and cuz they are friends, id just be bored watching the movie slow down to develop an emotional story between them. id prefer it be spent building up more of a drama of a story


 
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 6:20 PM
DarthMuppet Wrote:but it really makes you understand why they continually risk their lives for one another

Still unable to understand why some of you think two characters need to be in a relationship for this to happen.

I COULD write some Flynn/Tron slash though if you want.

I got nothing against them being in a relationship in future (though I'm with everybody else: let's not make the whole movie all about it or even remotely so), though I have to admit I'd be perfectly fine with it if they were just friends too (the main male/female characters of every story/movie do NOT need to hook up!).

(As far as Quorra's innocence...I think the real world can ruin that for her just fine. First time she watches the news or reads anything in history about war, and sees some of the awful stuff that goes on in the real world that those in the Grid can't even imagine, she'll be having nightmares for days)
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andybucts
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 8:26 PM
Nar78 Wrote:Speaking of chemistry. I noticed a scene where Gem was slightly bothered at the mention of Quorra's name. I thought there would be a love triangle, tug of war like relationship between Gem, Sam and Quorra. Unfortunately the gorgeous Gem didn't seem to have escaped Clu's exploding goodbyes, along with Zuse.

Was Gem bad or was she just a victim of protocol?

Why would Gem get in touch with Sam-Quorra?



 
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 8:37 PM
andybucts Wrote:I think not. Avatar, The Dark Knight and even Disney's own Toy Story(Buzz and Jessie) has some or even a little twist on the romance category. It wouldn't destroy Quorra's childish, naive and shy image. She will look even more cute if that happens. I posted this a lot of times because I am confused. It's really obvious that they had mutual attraction on the movie while other fans kept saying that they are just friends at best.
I don't know about this - however, I remember when Quorra was driving Sam to Flynn's hideout - if you look closely you can see Quorra eyeing Sam and smiling, as if she's checking him out. We'll see.

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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 11:49 PM
Kat Wrote:(As far as Quorra's innocence...I think the real world can ruin that for her just fine. First time she watches the news or reads anything in history about war, and sees some of the awful stuff that goes on in the real world that those in the Grid can't even imagine, she'll be having nightmares for days)
you're right. I never thought of that. I bet she will want to go back to The Grid immediately after seeing what we are capable of


 
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Saturday, January, 22, 2011 11:55 PM
terrychoichelsea Wrote:
Kat Wrote:(As far as Quorra's innocence...I think the real world can ruin that for her just fine. First time she watches the news or reads anything in history about war, and sees some of the awful stuff that goes on in the real world that those in the Grid can't even imagine, she'll be having nightmares for days)
you're right. I never thought of that. I bet she will want to go back to The Grid immediately after seeing what we can capable of

Ummmm....Clu brought the same hell to the Grid if you think about it. It would show her that wether its the Grid or The Real World, nothing including violence and genocide is new.

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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 12:00 AM
terrychoichelsea Wrote:
Nar78 Wrote:Speaking of chemistry. I noticed a scene where Gem was slightly bothered at the mention of Quorra's name. I thought there would be a love triangle, tug of war like relationship between Gem, Sam and Quorra. Unfortunately the gorgeous Gem didn't seem to have escaped Clu's exploding goodbyes, along with Zuse.

Was Gem bad or was she just a victim of protocol?
it's impossible to imagine Gem had feeling on Sam, considering she sold him to Clu in the first place.

I think what you notice is that Gem is bothered by the fact Zuse knows Quorra. She may have feeling on Zuse, but no way it would be Sam. And Quorra will never have feeling on Zuse after he betray her.

Love triangle is a no-go imo.

Ahh good points.
Yeah I have to admit, I don't have nearly as much an OCD on movie details as most here. I need to see this film more than once to catch these little details.
Im not against a romance story building up between Quorra and Sam myself. I'm not afraid of love.


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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 12:29 AM
My two bits:

I don't think a relationship would automatically ruin the images, but they certainly could (as others have stated) if it's done poorly.
However, I actually, I think that a romance would be all that much cuter with Quorra's innocence/naiveté. Being so, the relationship wouldn't move too fast, wouldn't really be unrealistic, it would be like they should be, growing trust and care over time. And even if this was a big thing in the movie, it would only accentuate by the action, peril, drama, etc. I don't think it would take away from much.
This does, as aforementioned, rely on the maintenance of Quorra's character. Changing it would change more than just her image, it would be changing who she is as a person/iso/character. I guess it's kind of a loop. If they maintain Quorra's character a romance would be great. If they do a sucky romance, it ruins Quorra.

Again, just my two bits, take it or leave it.


 
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 1:35 AM
well, i think it's because people see them as a 'brother-sister' type of relationship, because quorra doesn't know anything about the real world and so sam needs to help her adapt.

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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 5:50 AM
Kat Wrote:
DarthMuppet Wrote:but it really makes you understand why they continually risk their lives for one another

Still unable to understand why some of you think two characters need to be in a relationship for this to happen.

I COULD write some Flynn/Tron slash though if you want.


Are you trying to be obtuse? I never said they had to be in a relationship. I simply said that it raises the stakes for each of them if they are. The risk of losing someone you plan on possibly spending the rest of your life with would affect most people in a much more profound way than the risk of losing someone you are only friends with. Outside of a parent/child bond, the bond between two people who are truly in love is really second to none.

Here, I know not everyone loves the guy's books(I am a fan of his work), but here is a video featuring Dean Koontz giving a pretty good explanation on why having two characters in a film or novel be in love can help the story.

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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 7:50 AM
peppymiint Wrote:well, i think it's because people see them as a 'brother-sister' type of relationship, because quorra doesn't know anything about the real world and so sam needs to help her adapt.

but as a sam/quorra supporter, i think them being together wouldn't change anything between them. what would anyways? o:

'brother-sister' type of relationship? That's impossible. The way Quorra looked at Sam seems too akward for a 'brother-sister' relationship. The way Sam talks, looks, treats Quorra is more of an infatuation than 'brother-sister' kind of thing . It' so obvious that they have MUTUAL ATTRACTION.


 
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 9:52 AM
andybucts Wrote:
peppymiint Wrote:well, i think it's because people see them as a 'brother-sister' type of relationship, because quorra doesn't know anything about the real world and so sam needs to help her adapt.

but as a sam/quorra supporter, i think them being together wouldn't change anything between them. what would anyways? o:

'brother-sister' type of relationship? That's impossible. The way Quorra looked at Sam seems too akward for a 'brother-sister' relationship. The way Sam talks, looks, treats Quorra is more of an infatuation than 'brother-sister' kind of thing . It' so obvious that they have MUTUAL ATTRACTION.

andybucts is right.

I mean no offense to anyone with this next comment, but I'd be more than a little freaked out by anyone who finds the way Sam and Quorra behave around each other to be an acceptable "brother/sister" type thing. Maybe it's just me, but every time I have ever seen two people acting the way Sam and Quorra do, within a few weeks they are almost always a couple. There's also the fact that Garrett and Olivia both played their roles with it in mind that the two characters were attracted to each other.where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online


 
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RE: Why does people think that a Sam-Quorra relationship would destroy their characters?

on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 12:00 PM
IsoLine Wrote:
terrychoichelsea Wrote:
Kat Wrote:(As far as Quorra's innocence...I think the real world can ruin that for her just fine. First time she watches the news or reads anything in history about war, and sees some of the awful stuff that goes on in the real world that those in the Grid can't even imagine, she'll be having nightmares for days)
you're right. I never thought of that. I bet she will want to go back to The Grid immediately after seeing what we can capable of

Ummmm....Clu brought the same hell to the Grid if you think about it. It would show her that wether its the Grid or The Real World, nothing including violence and genocide is new.

Um. Have you ever read about the stuff that really went on in the Holocaust and other genocide? Or any other sort of horrible thing a human being can do to another creature whether in wartime, for the sake of science, or just for criminal purposes? I've mentioned this briefly in another thread. Trust me, the Grid does not have that kind of gut-wrenching horrific torture. The most violent death in the Grid simply involves someone pixelating and derezzing. Clu was never conducting horrific "medical" experiments, raping children, dissecting animals alive, mutilating bodies, burning people alive, etc. And some concepts, such as child or animal abuse, do not even exist in the Grid. They would have absolutely no concept of digging body parts out of the wreckage of Ground Zero, looking at the aftermath of a female genital mutilation, radiation burns at Hiroshima, animal experimentation and stuff like people who get off on crushing kittens, people who dip their baby's ass in boiling water because it wet its diaper, headless bodies hanging from bridges, etc. None whatsoever. I bet even Clu would be puking if he could see what human beings in the real world do to each other on a regular basis.

DarthMuppet Wrote:
Kat Wrote:
DarthMuppet Wrote:but it really makes you understand why they continually risk their lives for one another

Still unable to understand why some of you think two characters need to be in a relationship for this to happen.

I COULD write some Flynn/Tron slash though if you want.


Are you trying to be obtuse? I never said they had to be in a relationship. I simply said that it raises the stakes for each of them if they are. The risk of losing someone you plan on possibly spending the rest of your life with would affect most people in a much more profound way than the risk of losing someone you are only friends with. Outside of a parent/child bond, the bond between two people who are truly in love is really second to none.
Obtuse? Uh, no. Is there a reason you think I am? Here and elsewhere, everyone's been crowing "oh, they gotta be in a relationship because that means they'll risk their lives for each other."

A lot of people do that every day, for friends, lovers, family members, coworkers, acquaintances. Plenty of people risk their lives for folks they don't even know and will never meet.

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