scifichicx Wrote:Well, I am serious. I am seriously in lust with Alan Bradley... . Is it wrong that I like 82 Alan AND 2011 Alan? I'm 26.... I don't even care! I have some code issues that need fixing. 1800hotprogrammer.

LOL what has age to do with it? I loved Alan in 1982 and he's still nice looking now. Ever the Boy Scout. Lora thought Flynn immature and Alan more stable. But she did have both! ;-)

Traahn Wrote: ShadowSpark Wrote:*draws both disk and smirks* Is that a challenge? *draws three disks ... and then starts juggling*

*snort* Epic win. You'll give Ram a run for his money if you keep that up.

(Speaking of, has anyone been to ElecTRONica and witnessed the disk juggler that looks JUST like young Ram?????? )

ShadowSpark Wrote: Traahn Wrote: ShadowSpark Wrote:*draws both disk and smirks* Is that a challenge? *draws three disks ... and then starts juggling* *stares for several seconds, then rolls eyes* Well, if you're going to be that way about it.... *settles in to wait for Traahn to finish showing off* scifichicx Wrote:(Speaking of, has anyone been to ElecTRONica and witnessed the disk juggler that looks JUST like young Ram?????? ) *raises hand* Me! I did! And I've got a picture! Unfortunately, I can't post it here because it's got me in it and I don't want my face out on the net.

I didn't notice until my friend pointed it out to me and then I couldn't stop staring at him. I'm really amused + he's really adorable. where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online

I definitely did not mean to start a war, so to speak, and for that I do apologize to my fellow programs I would also like to say that Kat has been welcoming to me from the first moment I stepped into this forum as a whole and has been very helpful. I have enjoyed my conversations with you

I'm still compiling my list to send to 'Spark along with a disc for my copies

I agree, this thread should be for fun and light discussions about all the wonderous and sexy men of the Tron Universe I am definitely not upset others like the same men I do, as long as we can all oogle them together as my dad would say ((does anyone even say oogle anymore? LoL))

As a side note, please post that pic you took at ElecTRONica w/the Ram lookalike even if your head is cut off. I always try to cut my head out of photos when I post them so you are in good company

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ShadowSpark Wrote: Kat Wrote: scifichicx Wrote: ShadowSpark Wrote:*raises hand* Me! I did! And I've got a picture! Unfortunately, I can't post it here because it's got me in it and I don't want my face out on the net. I didn't notice until my friend pointed it out to me and then I couldn't stop staring at him. I'm really amused + he's really adorable. <3333 Can you edit you out? (I do it all the time) (Although I won't lie. Dan Shor to me will always be Billy The Kid...) Aerial_Zero Wrote:As a side note, please post that pic you took at ElecTRONica w/the Ram lookalike even if your head is cut off. I always try to cut my head out of photos when I post them so you are in good company Okay, I'll do that. It will take some time, so don't hold your breath, but it will be up eventually. Aerial_Zero Wrote:I'm still compiling my list to send to 'Spark along with a disc for my copies *activates the BCPXM, types in sequence* Okay, Tron, Rinzler, Ram, and Castor, I can do. Alan and Sam, on the other hand, are a little harder. Since neither of them are programs, copies cannot be made. You will have to ask elleldee(Sam) and scifichicx(Alan) to share. *copies of 1982 Tron, 2010 Tron, purring Rinzler, Ram and Castor(complete w/ laser cane) appear, one after the other, out of the BCPXM* Here you go, all components should be functional.

Don't forget also--3-dimensional.



Okay, so guys. New Serious Topic. Inspired by a livejournal post in which the poster shared the link to Girls on Film: http://thegirlsonfilm.com/episodes which is a site where two women re-create male-only scenes from movies.

Naturally, being an uber-geek (luckily she's a geek too so she would've understood, even if she wasn't a geek of the Tron stripe), I had to talk about gender roles in movies and bring up Tron. Namely, Quorra.

I know we had discussed in another thread here some time ago whether Q was a strong female character or not.

This was my post, which I'll expand on after:
One thing I will say for Angelina Jolie, though I'm not really that into her: she almost always plays chicks that kick ass. Thank heaven someone does. And she doesn't need to wear skin-tight, low-cut outfits with high heels to do it in...most refreshing.

Was in an online discussion once about Olivia Wilde's character in the Tron: Legacy movie (o hai, I are geek) and whether she's a strong female character or not, would she have been written stronger if she'd been a male character, etc. (And also a brief mention of why Kevin Flynn didn't have a daughter instead of a son, though I pointed out it may have changed the dynamic between the two characters if the audience had been expecting some "daddy's little girl" relationship, gag.

Plus then Quorra's character probably would've had to be male, which would bring up another whole slew of issues, like all the gay jokes, but also feminist issues since 1. Quorra does fight for/rescue Sam in a few different scenes and it would be too stereotypical if Quorra was Quentin and Sam was Samantha, and 2. The "Sam and Quorra seem to hook up" aspect, while already sorta cheesy, would be even worse: girl goes into computer, finds love, ew.
So, anyway.

On the Flynn/Flynn dynamic: I really had to address some of my own biases in thinking about this. I was about to dismiss it with "but a girl probably wouldn't be as close to her dad as a boy would be." I realized that was wrong thinking...in part bias because my mom and I ARE close, and my dad and I, not so much (my parents were divorced when I was young, but even if I'd lived with my dad all my life I don't think we'd be as close as my mom and I are). But of course, it IS possible for a daughter and father to be close buddies, especially if the daughter has been raised without a mother. And when it comes down to a kid who hasn't seen his/her father in 20 years, then you can't expect a tight relationship anyway, right?

I had to hit up against my biases too when I tried to tell myself "well it's easier to believe a guy would have an attitude problem than a girl." Again, not so much. In fact I could argue strongly in favor of girl-with-attitude-problem BECAUSE she would be raised without a mother's influence (or is that another bias?)

One thing I'll say for those two things--any biases I have would be shared by much of the audience, so there might be viewer complaints there.

Do you think that if Sam had been a female character, that Quorra would've had to be a male character? Is there any reason they really NEEDED the dynamic of Sam/Quorra hooking up? Or could they drop that, and Samantha/Quorra could just be friends (we know Disney is never going to feature any sort of non-hetero relationship, though I would've loved if Flynn had said "So, wife...girlfriend...?" and Sam had answered, "Bob. We've been together for about five years now and he's a really great guy, you'd love him..." lol)? Do they need the romantic aspect to tie them together as they'll need to be in the real world, or could mere friendship do that? (I could argue that a platonic friendship would be less sticky, since it may be less prone to conflict.)

It IS a real issue that if Quorra WERE Quentin, there would definitely be a lot of snarky discussion about Flynn living with a man instead of a woman, I think. So I can definitely understand why they would not want to do that--it's not an issue that could be brushed off; it could derail some of the fandom if much of the discussion about the movie was about that rather than, y'know, the movie. So I'll give them that.

On the feminist issues: Okay, we can say it makes sense that a user going into the Grid could be in need of rescue from someone who has lived there all their life, regardless of the gender/sex of either one. It's just that reversing the roles would mean it's just another "the girl has to get rescued by the guy AGAIN" movie, and hasn't that...already been done? With Q doing the rescuing, it makes it easier just to see it as friend helping friend/initiate helping the neophyte. Sad that bias does that, but there you go. As far as them hooking up....yeah. Self-explanatory.

So, discuss. Is Quorra a character whose sex could be switched and have it still largely make sense as written? Or was she written in a way that if she were male, she'd been seen as a sissy? I think one of the debates in the other thread was, if Tron's arm had been derezzed, would he have gone unconscious and had to be carried around, or would he keep fighting?

I think this is the page of the thread:
http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=397060&pg=2

I read an article about sexes as characters, and how some iconic parts would definitely change a film if played by the other sex. Wish we could test that without changing stuff, but look at Battlestar Galactica, with Starbuck and Boomer made female. Same actress who played Boomer also plays Kono on Hawaii 5-0, a male part in the old show. Not much difference for me, except I liked the male Starbuck better. *wink*order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillwhere to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

stares for several seconds, then rolls eyes* Well, if you're going to be that way about it.... *settles in to wait for Traahn to finish showing off*

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Traahn Wrote: stares for several seconds, then rolls eyes* Well, if you're going to be that way about it.... *settles in to wait for Traahn to finish showing off* *stops juggling then speeds off in a tricked out lightcycle like a badass after showing off some ISO tats*

*rezzes in her own lightcycle and follows* What do ISO tattoos have to do with anything?

Kat Wrote: ShadowSpark Wrote: 3-dimentional? I'm confused. As opposed to the flat paper copies that come out of most copy machines. No flat programs for us. You gotta bear with me here. I never get enough sleep. (Okay, it's because I spend half the night geeking over Tron and writing music, but whatever)

Oh, that had never occured to me. I always figured they'd rez in in 3D.

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