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ChessMess
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If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 11:28 AM
The subject is the question.

On a similar thought, did Sam Copy the code over to the thing around his neck or did he Move it over?

Can you copy a 'user'?


 
cirlin
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 11:58 AM
I imagine that a User would just be stored in memory like other programs...but maybe not. It's a good question.

It's interesting that what happens when a system is turned off hasn't come up yet at all in the movies. Partly I think that is because the two systems we've seen are the type that generally don't get turned off. A businesses server, and most desktops in the building, never really get turned off, and Flynn probably left his on all the time so that it could grow an evolve when he wasn't in it. So it's not really clear what happens to programs either.

It could be that time basically stops for them, and they don't even realise the universe has been turned off . But it might be that they are reset to some earlier point too. Like if you have a word processing program, and you're writing something in it, but then turn it off, when you start it again it will be back to a blank page.



 
Tron Unit
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 12:07 PM
Do programs die when you turn off your computer? No.

They simply shut down. Their processes interrupted. They are frozen in time until you turn it back on. From their point of view they probably would never know they were shut down or might experience a temporary lapse like unconsciousness.on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill onlinewhere to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion


 
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 12:10 PM
Tron Unit Wrote:Do programs die when you turn off your computer? No.

They simply shut down. Their processes interrupted. They are frozen in time until you turn it back on. From their point of view they probably would never know they were shut down or might experience a temporary lapse like unconsciousness.

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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 12:15 PM
Tron Unit Wrote:Do programs die when you turn off your computer? No.

They simply shut down. Their processes interrupted. They are frozen in time until you turn it back on. From their point of view they probably would never know they were shut down or might experience a temporary lapse like unconsciousness.

Let's assume that's the case for the moment. What, then, might be the effect on a User digitized into the digital world? For instance, Walter described digitized matter as being 'suspended in the laser beam'. So if the system and laser are deactivated is the "pattern" lost? The new laser in Legacy has the cylinders that contain the persons matter, so perhaps that was a concern with the old system, but not with the new one? Hmm...I think that works for me. (good thing the power didn't go out while Flynn was trapped by the MCP )abortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion


 
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on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 12:18 PM
A person's "matter" is converted to "energy" and stored into memory. If there was a complete power failure and the system could no longer draw a current to sustain that energy, perhaps it would be lost and the user would no longer be able to be reassembled from the laser.


 
cirlin
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 12:26 PM
Tron Unit Wrote:A person's "matter" is converted to "energy" and stored into memory. If there was a complete power failure and the system could no longer draw a current to sustain that energy, perhaps it would be lost and the user would no longer be able to be reassembled from the laser.

Maybe...The moviefone interview with the writers talks about the carbon molecules attached to the laser:

"Well, did you guys have to spend any time figuring out how a computer program could physically materialize?

Horowitz: We did. We did talk about the idea of what is being reconstituted. There is stuff that you can see in the frame, carbon molecules that are attached to the laser, that are what you are being transferred into and then how that's being turned into energy and then it's a data."


So that sort of insinuates that the matter is stored there, but they have a tendency to be a bit vague, so I could see it being a complicate amalgam of both perhaps.

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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 12:30 PM
I like this line of thought. Time is 'frozen' yet they maintain their state because they carry discs which keep 'everything they do and learn' stored. So their 'minds' are like ram and their discs are like hard drives. So a user should experience the same.







 
cirlin
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 12:34 PM
ChessMess Wrote: So their 'minds' are like ram and their discs are like hard drives.
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 12:41 PM
I couldn't help but think about the computer Flynn was in.

There wasn't any power in it all that time, until Sam flipped the switches when he enters the Arcade, unless that computer was on a separate generator, but then what generator can last 20+ years without turning off?

I guess since there wasn't too much use of power, it still could have stayed on, but I digress.

It seems despite that, the computer still moved on, and the programs were left to their own devices, so to speak.


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"Reveal your creation date or I will disassemble your code one operation at a time!"
 
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 12:43 PM
cirlin Wrote:
Tron Unit Wrote:A person's "matter" is converted to "energy" and stored into memory. If there was a complete power failure and the system could no longer draw a current to sustain that energy, perhaps it would be lost and the user would no longer be able to be reassembled from the laser.

Maybe...The moviefone interview with the writers talks about the carbon molecules attached to the laser:

"Well, did you guys have to spend any time figuring out how a computer program could physically materialize?

Horowitz: We did. We did talk about the idea of what is being reconstituted. There is stuff that you can see in the frame, carbon molecules that are attached to the laser, that are what you are being transferred into and then how that's being turned into energy and then it's a data."


So that sort of insinuates that the matter is stored there, but they have a tendency to be a bit vague, so I could see it being a complicate amalgam of both perhaps.

Oh, and in case any one missed it, that interview is here:
http://blog.moviefone.com/2010/12/21/tron-legacy-screenwriters-interview/

According to Einstein's law of mass-energy equivalence matter can only be transferred to another state of energy. Lose that energy and you go bye-bye. A user would be trapped forever in digital purgatory.



 
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 12:45 PM
typicaltronname Wrote:I couldn't help but think about the computer Flynn was in.

There wasn't any power in it all that time, until Sam flipped the switches when he enters the Arcade, unless that computer was on a separate generator, but then what generator can last 20+ years without turning off?

I guess since there wasn't too much use of power, it still could have stayed on, but I digress.

It seems despite that, the computer still moved on, and the programs were left to their own devices, so to speak.



It was running. You can see from the time lapse on the screen it said something like 20 years, 8 months, 16 days.


 
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 12:47 PM
Tron Unit Wrote:
typicaltronname Wrote:I couldn't help but think about the computer Flynn was in.

There wasn't any power in it all that time, until Sam flipped the switches when he enters the Arcade, unless that computer was on a separate generator, but then what generator can last 20+ years without turning off?

I guess since there wasn't too much use of power, it still could have stayed on, but I digress.

It seems despite that, the computer still moved on, and the programs were left to their own devices, so to speak.



It was running. You can see from the time lapse on the screen it said something like 20 years, 8 months, 16 hours.

Thanks, Tron Unit.

I forgot about that.


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Tron Unit
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 1:01 PM
Just looked at the clock it reads: 20:11:20:16:22:16:34

20 years, 11 months, 20 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, 16 seconds




 
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 1:12 PM
In the TRON: Betrayal GN, Flynn has a rant about alternative energy sources. It's possible his secret server was running off solar or wind powered generators...

http://www.10mfh.com, a great place to read nerdy stuff!
 
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 1:27 PM
There was electricity going to Flynns, otherwise nothing would have happened when Sam flipped the switch upstairs. So we know that much is true.

Being a property of Encom no doubt it was just another property that had its bills paid automatically which is very typical of large companies (includes tax, water, etc).

The computer, and the Shiva Laser, were on its own circuit box. I have NO DOUBT Flynn would not want someone shutting off the power upstairs while he was working in the lab. I also have no doubt he had backup generators just in case as well.

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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 1:49 PM
I think that being code they would just remain in storage until the power comes back on, now if the question is while you are being digitized or rematerialized chances are the user would indeed die as part of the data would inevitably be corrupted and it would not be pretty either, think of Trek transporter malfunctions to get an idea...abortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion


 
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 1:52 PM
The way it works is, matter is transferred to energy (E-MC2) by the laser. As Dumont explained the molecules are suspended in the laser beam. The "information" about the users molecular structure is translated into binary data in memory which is how they exist in the computer world. When they re-materialize that information is used to reorganize the molecular energy suspended in the laser back into matter and voila!


 
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 1:53 PM
I was thinking about something similar...

Could you clone a user with backups?


 
cirlin
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RE: If you shut off the power to a computer with a user inside, would the user die?

on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 2:02 PM
Tron Unit Wrote:According to Einstein's law of mass-energy equivalence matter can only be transferred to another state of energy. Lose that energy and you go bye-bye. A user would be trapped forever in digital purgatory.

I think we might be talking apples and oranges a bit here as far as how the digitizing works.

For one thing, I've never thought that the matter itself was transferred into energy. If it was, that would be one heck of an explosion you'd get. Even if they could contain that amount of matter-energy conversion, it's kind of a one way trip. You're taking something with low entropy (highly ordered) and turning it into something with High entropy. It would be like taking an ice sculpture an dropping it into a pool, and then, after it had melted, trying to extract the same water molecules and refreezing them in the shape of the sculpture again.



 
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