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Posts: 4 | Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 10:06 AM
1) Who sent the page? I think it was hinted at that it might be someone else. Clu seemed uncertain when he heard about it, so not him. Flynn didn't do it. Tron didn't do it. Who then? I thought it might have been the guy with the beard in the boardroom, but they never touched on it again.
2) How can they sequel it with the entire world imploded upon itself?
3) Why did Tron turn bad if Flynn was there to ensure that he didn't?
4) Why did Olivia Wilde's character seem so important to the real world (besides bringing a digital creation into the real world). This really surprised me because I thought they would have discussed how it was impossible and the like - and then when it happened, it would have had more impact.
5) How come they never traced Flynn's whereabout's before? Cora said they couldn't follow before, but all of a sudden, they found the place?
Thanks in advance.
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Posts: 1,468 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 10:38 AM
netrate Wrote:1) Who sent the page? I think it was hinted at that it might be someone else. Clu seemed uncertain when he heard about it, so not him. Flynn didn't do it. Tron didn't do it. Who then? I thought it might have been the guy with the beard in the boardroom, but they never touched on it again.
2) How can they sequel it with the entire world imploded upon itself?
3) Why did Tron turn bad if Flynn was there to ensure that he didn't?
4) Why did Olivia Wilde's character seem so important to the real world (besides bringing a digital creation into the real world). This really surprised me because I thought they would have discussed how it was impossible and the like - and then when it happened, it would have had more impact.
5) How come they never traced Flynn's whereabout's before? Cora said they couldn't follow before, but all of a sudden, they found the place?
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1) they clearly said in the film it was CLU
2) the entire TRON world did not implode or explode, just a few structures around the portal. watch the film again and PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THE CAMERA CLEARLY STAYS FOCUSED ON WHERE THE PORTAL WAS. N OT EVEING GOT DESTROYED(sorry for caps just getting annoyed with ppl constantly saying the entire TRON world exploded when it clearly didn't)
3)Flynn was not there to ensure that Tron wouldn't turn bad. Again, go see the film again, and pay attention.
4)Because she is the last ISO and somehow bringing her int the real world can change things.
5)Because they didn't have any thing that they could use to trace him. and Quorra simply said that on regular vehicles they couldn't travel on the Outlands. not that they could never follow them.
once again....see the film another time and PAY ATTENTION.
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Posts: 234 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 11:00 AM
1) Kevin Flynn seems convinced that it was Clu who sent the page. Though you are correct in that Clu doesn't readily admit it. What interested me most was how Clu was surprised that it was Sam, all by himself. Clu clearly expected someone else, or several someones. That he got Sam was an unexpected bonus because he knows Sam, of all people, will bring Kevin Flynn from hiding. What's never clear is how, after 27 years, Clu is able to send a digital message beyond the server in Kevin's basement workshop. This seems to imply some kind of long-dormant modem connection, perhaps?
2) I thought this at first as well, that the entire world inside the server had been obliterated. But as stated above, and as I saw during the second time I went to see the movie, only the structures in the immediate vicinity of the portal get wiped out, to include Clu's command carrier. The rest of the digital world remains intact, and is probably what Sam downloads to his digital device at the very end of the film.
3) Very quick flashback scene, where Tron tells Flynn to run and Flynn assumes Tron is derezzed by Clu. It's my theory that Clu somehow lobotmizes Tron with a disc strike to the head -- we see Clu bring his disc down on Tron's face? -- thus Tron always has his helmet on, to cover up terrible scarring, or because the helmet is all that's keeping Tron's head in one piece.
4) This is a giant question mark, and it's never clearly explained how the ISOs would prove so dramatically revolutionary. A sequel would have a lot of explaining to do, in this regard. A lot.
5) Jarvis tells Clu that when they recovered the old-generation light cycle that Sam used to return to the digital city, it allowed them to trace back to Kevin Flynn's zen bat cave. One assumes the old-generation light cycle has something akin to a GPS that allows the driver to not only navigate, but remembers where the light cycle has been; a road map home?
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netrate User
Posts: 4 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 12:01 PM
1. I agree, Clu was surprised to see him. It begs the question of why Clu had to look at the disc to see what happened - and yes, then he seemed surprised. The only person that is convinced it was Clu was Flynn - I think it might be a red herring or something they are going to explore in the next one because it really could have been a great twist or arc.
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Posts: 3,301 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 1:36 PM
Don't really like the commands for people to 'pay attention'. People watch films differently than others, and learn differently than others. There's some drawn-out exposition in T:L. I was still seeing and hearing new things in the original Tron even up to a couple years ago because I often absorb the visuals and get lost in the the moment; lost in the nostalgic feeling.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill
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Posts: 382 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 1:50 PM
Traahn Wrote:Don't really like the commands for people to 'pay attention'. People watch films differently than others, and learn differently than others. There's some drawn-out exposition in T:L. |
Yeah, there's a lot going on in the movie, and it's easy to miss details when there is so much to see, hear, and think about the first time around. That's part of the point and the fun of a place like this. It lets us talk about things and see different points of view, and be reminded of stuff we forgot/missed.
It seems a bit rude and elitist to talk that way to others, especially if they are new.
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quara33 User
Posts: 3 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 2:34 PM
netrate Wrote:1. I agree, Clu was surprised to see him. It begs the question of why Clu had to look at the disc to see what happened - and yes, then he seemed surprised. The only person that is convinced it was Clu was Flynn - I think it might be a red herring or something they are going to explore in the next one because it really could have been a great twist or arc. |
CLU wasn't expecting Sam, he was expecting Alan. He watches the disk until the point that he sees Alan talking about the page, and realizes what happened. CLU likely had patrols out looking for 60 year old guys who looked a bit like Tron, and put Rinzler in the game grid so that Rinzler wouldn't 'accidentally' see Alan.
When Jarvis tells CLU about the patrols being stepped up, and the rectifier being ready on schedule, it really doesn't sound like they're waiting for Kevin Flynn at all--maybe with Alan's disk they could undo any of TRON's old security protocols that remained in place despite Rinzler's re-purposing. Maybe they could use the portal with Alan's disk. *shrug*.
When Sam shows up alone (ie without Alan), CLU has to re-work his plan a little, and draw Flynn back to the grid (thus the speech and light-cycle battle).
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netrate User
Posts: 4 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 4:20 PM
That sounds like good points, but I am not sure what purpose it would serve having of Alan there. Tron was Alan - but just as a program, but he wasn't necessary for any plans, was he?
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DarthMeow504 User
Posts: 134 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 4:35 PM
netrate Wrote:That sounds like good points, but I am not sure what purpose it would serve having of Alan there. Tron was Alan - but just as a program, but he wasn't necessary for any plans, was he? |
Because Alan was part of the creation of the Grid at the beginning. Presumably he would have the kind of Admin-level access CLU needs to do what he wants to do. It's doubtful that it was as good as what he could acquire from Flynn, but it was clearly good enough.
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Posts: 116 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 4:52 PM
In regards to the ISOs:
Maybe I read too much into it, or maybe I've seen too many other sci-fi shows on genetics... But I got the jist of their importance right away.. Not only are they an entirely new life form that developed INSIDE a human's computer system.. (Instead of out in space where we keep thinking we'll find some).. But more than that they have 'perfect' genetics... (Remember Flynn's line about disease being "history") It's almost like the people in some other movies who are manufactured to be the perfect beings... Except these just appeared on their own.
Flynn's implications are that studying the ISOs could lead to huge breakthroughs for mankind. He's probably right.where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online
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ShadowDragon1 User
Posts: 2,056 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 4:53 PM
The Isos:
The Iso's manifested and emerged from the Sea of Simulation (see the "Tron: Betrayal" graphic novel").
Flynn mentions they have their own complex, digital DNA. Their very exsistance shows that life could evolve on its own even from a digital "primordial soup" i.e. the Sea of Simulation.
They have true free will and can think creatively (hence creating their own cities and culture that was different from other Programs, the Basics.)
To Clu, they were anomlies that to him were causing glitches in The Grid, he saw them as imperfections and when he couldn't control them he then commited genocide and eliminated them all.
Quorra was supposedly the last... there could have been a few others, but in hiding.
The ISO's digital DNA is shown that when damaged strands of digital DNA code can be removed (when injured), and then an Iso's digital DNA repairs itself.
Now let's extrapolate from that some....
*If* this capability carries over to an Iso being converted and materialized into a human, with human-iso DNA within the cells could possibly still repair itself, and a strand of it can continue to remain active...
If that was applied to medical science, (tissue samples taken,etc) then as Flynn implied, disease wouldn't matter anymore;
such as if a person could recieve advanced gene thereapy with specially programmed self-repairing DNA that intergrates itself into a human's own DNA after the genes causing a disease are removed.
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Posts: 28 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 5:05 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:
*If* this capability carries over to an Iso being converted and materialized into a human, with human-iso DNA within the cells could possibly still repair itself, and a strand of it can continue to remain active...
If that was applied to medical science, (tissue samples taken,etc) then as Flynn implied, disease wouldn't matter anymore;
such as if a person could recieve advanced gene thereapy with specially programmed self-repairing DNA that intergrates itself into a human's own DNA after the genes causing a disease are removed.
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Wow, if that's true. Then Flynn's excitement for the ISO's would be completely understandable. Just imagine if something like that was real. It would change our world completely.
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Kat User
Posts: 2,394 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 10:08 PM
Sub-Odeon Wrote:1) Kevin Flynn seems convinced that it was Clu who sent the page. Though you are correct in that Clu doesn't readily admit it. What interested me most was how Clu was surprised that it was Sam, all by himself. Clu clearly expected someone else, or several someones. That he got Sam was an unexpected bonus because he knows Sam, of all people, will bring Kevin Flynn from hiding. What's never clear is how, after 27 years, Clu is able to send a digital message beyond the server in Kevin's basement workshop. This seems to imply some kind of long-dormant modem connection, perhaps? |
Well, the page was sent to Alan...maybe he was expecting Alan? I wonder how that would change the game, for Tron's User to show up? Or perhaps he expected Alan to get to Flynn. Did Clu even know that Sam existed, for that matter?
Sub-Odeon Wrote:3) Very quick flashback scene, where Tron tells Flynn to run and Flynn assumes Tron is derezzed by Clu. It's my theory that Clu somehow lobotmizes Tron with a disc strike to the head -- we see Clu bring his disc down on Tron's face? -- thus Tron always has his helmet on, to cover up terrible scarring, or because the helmet is all that's keeping Tron's head in one piece. |
LOL. I assumed it was just A. so they wouldn't have to work their CG magic on Bruce Boxleitner as well (notice that the only time we see Tron's face, it's brief, dim, and from far away), and B. so we wouldn't immediately recognize Tron (and perhaps it was desirable for him to remain anonymous to everyone else in the Grid as well...otherwise why would his name have changed? You'd think Clu would've found it a big bargaining chip to have Tron on his side--either to pass him off as a supporter, or to show his "power" because he "conquered" Tron--so if he felt the need to keep this secret, there must've been a reason. Maybe the programs would've revolted, seeing what he did to Tron, or maybe it would've put Flynn into too much of a vendetta. What do you want? I'm busy.
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Posts: 1,667 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 10:15 PM
I agree with Kat, I don't think they had the money to render Bruce's face.
Not that they did too good a job with Jeff's face, either.
only two things bugged me about the movie, the graphics for the younger-looking faces and C.L.U. having stubble, that's it.
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netrate User
Posts: 4 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Sunday, January, 02, 2011 4:31 PM
Great discussion. I am still surprised that CLU didn't ask Sam how Alan was, if the page was truly for Alan.
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Posts: 948 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Tuesday, January, 04, 2011 7:55 AM
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Posts: 1,468 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, January, 05, 2011 12:26 AM
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Questions about the movie (lots of spoilers) on Wednesday, January, 05, 2011 6:44 AM
CaptainCR Wrote:sorry if my "pay attention" posts seem harsh but honestly..all those questions could have easily been avoided..the answers to them are quite plain and simple. |
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