Traahn
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Posts: 3,301 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 1:48 AM
The first couple times i saw T:L, I kept getting distracted by Quorra lying on that chair while Flynn was talking about the Isos. So I wasn't sure if I heard him right, that they could help fight disease. I had to concentrate hard on not letting my mind wander upon seeing her the third time. Still, I'm not clear if Flynn is saying Isos, by their very nature, can directly help human disease... or is be just saying that since Isos are possible, that it's an example that anything in life is possible. I will have to pay more attention, again, the next time I watch. Dang Kosinki for putting Quorra there as a distraction right at that moment. I think be did that on purpose so we have to watch it multiple times to pay attention to one of the most important elements of the story
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 2:00 AM
I think Flynn was implying that the very nature of Iso's "bio digital DNA" could be carried over into medical science and make disease meaningless...
Imagine strands of self-repairing DNA applied to someone with a debilatating disease. The bad strands just have to be removed and then the self-repairing DNA intergrates itself into the gaps and now you have a person free of that disease. Hypothetically speaking.
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CaptainCR
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Posts: 1,468 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 2:18 AM
why say either film is like avatar? bot tron films are waaaay better than avatar
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Thinktank
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Posts: 75 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 2:33 AM
Tron Unit Wrote:| CaptainCR Wrote:why say either film is like avatar? bot tron films are waaaay better than avatar |
Amen, program. |
Hear Hear!
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This is not the true void. It is bewilderment...”
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 2:48 AM
I enjoyed and like "Avatar'.
But it's still Dances With Wolves with 10ft tall blue Thunder Cat-Indians fighting "Black Water" mech warrior merc soldiers for alien gold and land...
Tron and Tron Legacy is about both the benefits of and the drawbacks of technology and that it does have an influence on the human condition and perceptions.
Tron (1982) was plagerism and coporate underhandedness is bad, geek power and creativity good, Tron Legacy is seeking technological perfection is less important than true, meaningful human emotional connection and spending time with family, but that progressing technology in benefit of humankind is still a good thing though.
Short version; Tron and Tron Legacy are alot more creative and imaginative than Avatar. Indeed.
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zordmaker
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Posts: 66 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 3:19 AM
| DarthMeow504 Wrote:I want to live on the Grid |
Hmm.
I'll definitely book a visit thanks, but make it a return ticket please.
ZM
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zordmaker
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Posts: 66 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 3:21 AM
| Sub-Odeon Wrote: but certainly never wanted to live there, even if it meant doing so in a 12-foot blue version of myself. |
Whether or not I live in a 12 foor version I'm not too concerned. But there's one thing I do want.
"I want a TAIL!!!"
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zordmaker
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Posts: 66 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 3:35 AM
| CaptainCR Wrote:why say either film is like avatar? bot tron films are waaaay better than avatar |
I watched Avatar again (first time since last January) (the long mix) with my daughter the day before I watched Tron:Legacy for the first time. Then last night I watched the original TRON again end to end for the first time in many years. And then watched it again end to end today with my 7y.o. daughter who wanted to see it and her eyes were glued to the screen for the entire film.
And I also wrote a review that was critical of Tron:Legacy in many ways (see elsewhere on this forum).
But I must agree with you on this count. There's more sticky story in both the TRON films that Avatar could hope to ever attain to.
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 4:21 AM
Btw. The Grid didn't disintergrate. Only the Rectifier Command Ship and the structures around the portal disintergrated. One can clearly see the sea of simulation is still there along with juts of tessalated rock. The city itself is very very far from that location and not seen.
Sam trasfered all the data of The Grid, the sea of simulation, all files and programs from that two-tower server (which is 80's tech) to his memory card.
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 4:42 AM
I dont think everything in The Grid was "wiped clean" or reformated at all. All the data, files, the base code for The Grid, and the sea of simulation still exists, transfered by Sam into his memory card.
If it was "wiped clean" there would be nothing to transfer to that memory card Sam has....
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zordmaker
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Posts: 66 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 4:47 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:
I'm pretty sure that in "Tron 3" Sam will upload The Grid and all files & Programs to a secured, fully fire walled new server at Encom. Because The Grid can still be of benefit, with a few adjustments and upgrades to it of course.... |
And naturally the firewall will fail, and... there's your plot. Back to Livermore Labs eh?
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 4:59 AM
I and every Tron fan I know would poop bricks if they film some scenes for "Tron 3" at Lawerence Livermore Labs.
There's all kind of possible storyline possibilities for "Tron 3". But I am sure it will involve Tron, Sam, Dillinger jr. and hopefull Quorra as well.
I would so love to see Flynn return... it far to sad to think him gone forever. Way too sad... 
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CaptainCR
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Posts: 1,468 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 10:30 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Btw. The Grid didn't disintergrate. Only the Rectifier Command Ship and the structures around the portal disintergrated. One can clearly see the sea of simulation is still there along with juts of tessalated rock. The city itself is very very far from that location and not seen.
Sam trasfered all the data of The Grid, the sea of simulation, all files and programs from that two-tower server (which is 80's tech) to his memory card.
That server was probably about 1 gig of memory. SD cards and flash memory go up to several gigs. So it's all on that card. One of several threads open to pick up in "Tron 3"..... |
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CaptainCR
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Posts: 1,468 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 10:31 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:I and every Tron fan I know would poop bricks if they film some scenes for "Tron 3" at Lawerence Livermore Labs.
There's all kind of possible storyline possibilities for "Tron 3". But I am sure it will involve Tron, Sam, Dillinger jr. and hopefull Quorra as well.
I would so love to see Flynn return... it far to sad to think him gone forever. Way too sad... |
as memorable and as important Kevin Flynn is to the TRON franchise, I doubt he is truly doubt. also lets not forget that technically he died in the TRON world during the first film. only difference is he got out and came back to the real world in the originalorder abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill
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DarthMeow504
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Posts: 134 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 3:25 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:I think Flynn was implying that the very nature of Iso's "bio digital DNA" could be carried over into medical science and make disease meaningless...
Imagine strands of self-repairing DNA applied to someone with a debilatating disease. The bad strands just have to be removed and then the self-repairing DNA intergrates itself into the gaps and now you have a person free of that disease. Hypothetically speaking. |
That's an interesting angle, but it scarcely compares to the functional immortality absolutely free of scarcity one finds inside the Grid. And despite this, the film (again) focuses on the meat world instead of the potential of the Grid itself.
I suggest that those who don't quite get where I'm going with this look up the Singularity. That Shiva laser is it, in one fell swoop. The original Tron is basically a geek religion, a vision of a digital heaven, posthuman and transcendent.
Legacy goes the opposite direction. Even those who have been hostile to me on this thread have basically acknowledged that fact, though they disagree with me that it's a bad thing. And we agree that despite this, Tron: Legacy remains an awesome film and a great piece of science fiction.
But I believe an opportunity was lost when it failed to recapture the sense of awe and wonder that the original Tron did. And in these times, I believe a more escapist vision would have met with more success.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 5:05 PM
Well I still feel a sense of wonder and awe each time I see Tron Legacy.. and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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DarthMeow504
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Posts: 134 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 5:22 PM
| ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Well I still feel a sense of wonder and awe each time I see Tron Legacy.. and I'm sure I'm not the only one. |
I get the awe, but not the wonder. The Grid in Legacy is more akin to the Empire in Star Wars... awesome and badass and impressive, but not with wonder and beauty the way, as I said, Pandora created in it's audience or the original Tron did with it's Grid.
Of course, it makes perfect sense that CLU has made things so dark, and the visuals and vistas of his domain were absolutely amazing. But they could have done more I think to counterbalance that with some glimpses of the wonder and beauty that we saw in the original Tron, especially in the outer reaches outside CLU's city. Instead, we got endless expanses of grey rock. Something beautiful to say "this, this is what CLU is destroying. This is what the Grid was and can be again".
That opportunity will hopefully come in the series, which takes place before CLU's revolution is complete. But I really think the movie could have been well served with a little light and color to counterbalance all the dark and oppressive.where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 5:35 PM
I have to disagree, I still think there was a sense of wonder.
I like how the orange light within Clu's throne ship accented everything. I loved the contrast of blues and white circuit traces contrasted with the blacks. The subtle
blue-white light reflected and illuminated Flynn and Sam and Quorra in the safe house giving it and the design of the room a very 2001: A Space Odysset~ish vibe was almost surreal. The style of the room was a definate homage to the final scenes of 2001: a space odyssey...
I also love the dark, glassy, and metallic look of everthing The Grid, from above it resembled a stylized circuit board.
Though I'm sure that before "the purge" it looked even more vibrant and wonderous.
I recommend that you read the graphic novel Tron: Betrayal, and check out the cinemas from the videogame Tron Evolution.
Huge, beautiful and wonderous cities were built by the Isos. Clu in his pogrom (an organized, often officially encouraged massacre or persecution of a minority group) against the Isos, and then the outright eradication of them. He had destroyed all they built as well.
The Grid as seen in the movie is the result of Clu ideal of "perfection" which included unitary order, anything that deviated from that he wrongly considered a threat to the stability of the system.
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DarthMeow504
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Posts: 134 | RE: Why Tron: Legacy is not Avatar --and the original Tron is
on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 5:45 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote: I have to disagree, I still think there was a sense of wonder.
I like how the orange light within Clu's throne ship accented everything. I loved the contrast of blues and white circuit traces contrasted with the blacks. The subtle
blue-white light reflected and illuminated Flynn and Sam and Quorra in the safe house giving it and the design of the room a very 2001: A Space Odysset~ish vibe was almost surreal. The style of the room was a definate homage to the final scenes of 2001: a space odyssey...
I also love the dark, glassy, and metallic look of everthing The Grid, from above it resembled a stylized circuit board.
Though I'm sure that before "the purge" it looked even more vibrant and wonderous.
I recommend that you read the graphic novel Tron: Betrayal, and check out the cinemas from the videogame Tron Evolution.
Huge, beautiful and wonderous cities were built by the Isos. Clu in his pogrom (an organized, often officially encouraged massacre or persecution of a minority group) against the Isos, and then the outright eradication of them. He had destroyed all they built as well.
The Grid as seen in the movie is the result of Clu ideal of "perfection" which included unitary order, anything that deviated from that he wrongly considered a threat to the stability of the system.
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Sounds absolutely awesome. I've considered investing in upgrading to a new system just to play Evolution despite that I can barely afford to. Tron is that important to me.
I just wish we'd gotten to see a little more of that in the movie.
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ShadowDragon1
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on Wednesday, December, 29, 2010 5:53 PM
Despite the kinda goofy, cartoony looking characters in the Wii game "Tron: Evolution: Battlegrids" the environs of the cities are vibrant and colorful, you get to see some of the other factions like the Survivalists whom built their own colony out side of the main city called Bostrom Colony. In Tron Evolution there's the Iso built city of Arjia which has a more mystical-spiritual vibe to it's design.
The animated series just going into production will show what The Grid looked like long before "the purge" which should be nice to see.
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