This is not a bash post. I just want to make it clear. Having read several bash posts, it made me think about how everyone probably had some version or other of a story in their minds -- didn't all of us, after all these years? -- and how some fans can take the actual movie as-is and some simply cannot.

For the record, I thought the video game TRON 2.0 did a very good job as a playable sequel to the original. The events of 2.0 are now aprocryphal, but up until last Thursday night, 2.0 was all we had -- in terms of the franchise being brought into the 21st century. And I liked 2.0 a lot.

But now we have TL, which sets us irrevocably on a new course for the franchise. I like TL a great deal, and will be seeing it again this week because I liked it so much.

Still, what might I have done differently, if I'd been behind the wheel? I can think of several things which would have been nice, without greatly altering the overall trajectory of TL as it stands now.

- A small cameo for Cindy Morgan. Probably I'd have had Laura and Alan both show up at the Dumont garage, as Sam's concerned, well-meaning pseudo foster parents.

- Let Clu be old. Just shave him. He and Flynn had been having a thousand-year grudge match. Let them both be old and tired and worn down.

- Let Tron also be old. Instead of having him personally battle all the time, make him Clu's re-purposed henchman who directs the action as a strategician. This gives Boxleitner a bigger role -- and we could have some great Darth Vader moments where Tron, face to face with Sam and Flynn both, struggles between good and evil, ultimately returning to good in the end.

- This makes Rinzler his own character, a kind of a apprentice for Tron. Someone he has been training up to take his place.

- Connect Flynn's workshop server to the web via 300 bps dial-up. Instead of Alan getting a page, he gets a cryptic text message of some sort.

- Instead of Clu wanting to take over the real world as a real person, Clu is insanely frustrated by the dial-up connection; not enough bandwidth to take his huge army of re-purposed soldiers to the World Wide Web -- which he knows about. Thus his machinations focus on getting someone in the real world to grant him a broadband connection. Through which his army can march forth, and conquer the wider cyberspace. Clu believes when he owns the Internet, he will also own humanity. And in 2010, Clu would be somewhat right!

- During the flyer battle at the end, have Sam steal a flyer rod from one of Clu's henchmen and fly away from Clu's carrier in a blue-lit single plane to get away with Kevin's disc. Meanwhile Quorra and Kevin escape in the flyer we see in the film.

- Eliminate the laser battle! This is my only real nit pick with what I saw in TL. The fun of TRON is that the weapons are mostly unique. Never a laser battle in the original. Discs and other things, not guns per se. Make the flyer fight like light-cycles: flyers looping and performing acrobatics to try and crash each other into the jet walls. Sam and Quorra piloting against Clu and his henchmen.

- The showdown at the return portal could basically be the same, except put Tron himself there, with Clu. Instead of Kevin sacrificing himself, it's Tron who returns to the good side, eliminates Clu in self-sacrifice. Sam must go back to the real world, and he still takes Quorra -- because ISOs are special and are perhaps the only ones who can make the transition? Regular programs cannot.

- Reveal that Flynn has been on The Grid for too long to come back to the real world. His atoms have not remained suspended in the laser, as before. He goes back, he dies. He has suspected this all along, but been afraid to tell Sam.

- Flynn thus lives, but stays behind. He not only feels guilty about having created Clu, he wants to repair all the damage Clu has done. He instructs Sam to go back to the real world and load everything on the workshop server to a flash drive -- the unit on Sam's neck -- then take that flash drive and download it to a new server; a place where Flynn can start over again and hopefully the ISOs will re-manifest, as before.

....and the stage is set for Sam and Quorra both to return, as Quorra marvels at the real world and her first sunset!

Not a fantastically different movie. 80% the same. In my mind, I can see it. And it's a fun movie, just like the current TRON Legacy is a fun movie.

Anyone else have their own ideas?

Again, this is a non-bash thread. Please don't bash TL here. There are too many threads for bashing as it is.

Great comparison, using Star Trek TMP.

For me, it was Star Trek II thru IV versus Star Trek TNG. It took me at least 2 seasons to get over a lot of things in TNG because I was so married in my head to certain aspects of the motion pictures. Once I did that, though, I wound up enjoying TNG enormously and now consider it probably the best of all the ST television series.

Is Legacy perfect? No.

But neither was TMP, and it took TMP to kick off Trek's extended film franchise.

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By the way, my issue with T:L is the writing team. The director is'nt to be blamed because I can see how passionate he was with TRON. The problem lies with the writers of LOST. I recall an article or interview how they described their experiences going to the Comic Con and seeing the TRON End of Line club and unveiling of the lightcycle or whatnot, they saw many fans flocking there, showing their passion.

Then one of them mentioned how they looked at each other and said, "Let's not f--k this up".

I know what I saw and read. This, to me, implies that they got scared and did'nt want to tick the fans off and probably had to rush under pressure to get the script done.

One other issue I noticed (and this is my theory) that T:L probably had too many people working in various departments that communication would sometimes be misunderstood. My feeling is that the communication between the writers, producers and, pre and post-production folks became a slight barrier at times.

Somehow, things got lost in translation. This is probably why the story suffered to a certain degree and I can see the jumping points from one scene to another without a full and complete transition in between. It's as if they're missing information in between the takes and shots, that they had to use dialogue to explain the back story.

And why was this movie 2 hours and not 3 hours? If they were to do three hours, it would've been more than enough to provide a full story and a beefier script.

IsoLine Wrote: Pilgrim1099 Wrote:And why was this movie 2 hours and not 3 hours? If they were to do three hours, it would've been more than enough to provide a full story and a beefier script. Personally I wouldn't have minded a 3 hour TRON: Legacy, but there is only so long one can keep a moviegoer in a theater seat. Not only are theaters hesitant to go into a 3 hour movie scheme (it cuts into their regular showtime schedules) but this experiment has been done before (look up the movie "1900") and with moviegoers getting up and walking out before the end of the film. Granted a patron has paid his money to watch but still that is something no studio wants to see happen. That could lead to negative publicity that harms the film. Last thing you want is people saying the movie was so long their butts turned square.

Not only that but how many people can go 3 straight hours without having to go to the bathroom after drinking a literocola with the bucket of salty popcorn? I purposefully didn't drink anything for 4 hours before the movie because I hate missing parts of movies. The people sitting next to me got up no less than 3 times each becuase off all of the junk they where consuming from the snack bar 30 min before the movie even started.order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pill

Imbroglio Wrote: IsoLine Wrote: Pilgrim1099 Wrote:And why was this movie 2 hours and not 3 hours? If they were to do three hours, it would've been more than enough to provide a full story and a beefier script. Personally I wouldn't have minded a 3 hour TRON: Legacy, but there is only so long one can keep a moviegoer in a theater seat. Not only are theaters hesitant to go into a 3 hour movie scheme (it cuts into their regular showtime schedules) but this experiment has been done before (look up the movie "1900") and with moviegoers getting up and walking out before the end of the film. Granted a patron has paid his money to watch but still that is something no studio wants to see happen. That could lead to negative publicity that harms the film. Last thing you want is people saying the movie was so long their butts turned square. Not only that but how many people can go 3 straight hours without having to go to the bathroom after drinking a literocola with the bucket of salty popcorn? I purposefully didn't drink anything for 4 hours before the movie because I hate missing parts of movies. The people sitting next to me got up no less than 3 times each becuase off all of the junk they where consuming from the snack bar 30 min before the movie even started.

Solution? Don't drink before the movie .

Actually, it was nice seeing what the original team came up with just to look at it from that perspective, but I got the feeling that they came up with a completely different story and only loosely based it on Tron.

Some aspects ( The programs acting more human-like and less program-like ) I didn't really enjoy, but they were OK. The game grid was OK too. The only thing that really disappointed me was that they seemed to say "Let's take the original film, re-image it for the 21st century and add links to the original".

Plot of Tron/TL.

* A man is searching for something and ends up inside the computer.
* He starts by playing games when he makes an "illegal exit" and leaves the game in a vehicle.
* He learns of programs and what he has to do.
* They are compromised by the bad-guys but get together on the solar -sail simulation again.
* This takes them not to their intended destination, but a data carrier.
* One of the user's team is taken to be reprogrammed.
* The user uses his superior skills to beat the bad guy.
* They get out through a communications beam.
* There's a big explosion as the bad guy gets blown up.
* It ends in the real world and everyone is happy

Seem familiar?

Other than that, I had a lot of ideas I wanted to see in a movie that didn't come up in Tron and did come up on Tron legacy.

1. A HUGE jump by a vehicle across a massive distance.
2. The hero gets the girl.
3. It's possible for programs to exit the computer.
4. That the cure for diseases like Cancer is found online.
5. That programs or people can be edited to remove "bad code"
6. That users can reprogram the digital world on the fly.
7. That the arcade was still there and an important part of the plot.
8. New advanced vehicles that are VERY fast.
9. The same laser from Tron reused in new ways.
10. The idea of being trapped due to the loss of an exit portal.
11. Some really nice looking programs.

So if I had written Tron Legacy? It would have come out exactly like Tron 2.1 and Tron 2.0 would have been cannon.

But that goes without saying doesn't it?

All of these ideas were incorporated in the Tron 2.1 fanfic, but it was great to see that similar inspirations were in place in Tron Legacy.

I enjoyed all the easter eggs too....

David.

If I'd written Tron: Legacy, I think I'd have spent some time on trying to front and centre the Isos. For me, the movie's pace really stumbles when Flynn introduces the Isos in flashback. I'd have tried to write a scene right after Sam arrives; maybe he exits the Grid version of the arcade and happens upon a squad of orange goons hunting down a fleeing program who (they say) is the last of the Isos. Sam gets involved and we get to see the Iso's icon but the Iso is executed; when Sam tries to run, the Recognizer finds him.

Hmm. Maybe not; it doesn't really give a sense of what a big deal the Isos are. How about Sam happens on the Iso as described, but the Iso manages to do something unusual, like write himself a doorway in a solid wall.

(Or maybe not? That then gives Quorra license to use superpowers in the Grid, and she's pretty cool as-is.)

Unfortunately, the Iso and Sam are both caught and sent to the Game Grid. Sam finishes a match early and gets to see the end of the Iso's match. The Iso wins, but its light tattoo gets exposed, to which all the other programs react. The watching Clu immediately removes the floor of the Iso's arena, plunging it to its death, with Jarvis making an announcement that "their kind have no place in our Grid" or somesuch.

The only other thing I'd do would be to flash up a message on the terminal right after Sam gets pulled into the Grid, something about an emergency override to the portal exit protocols. It always bothered me after I left the film - if the portal to the Real World is so isolated from the rest of the Grid, how does Sam wind up smack in the middle of Tron City?abortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion

I don't see why making Quorra real is an issue. As we see in the grid, she has DNA. DNA is essentially just data, and real DNA can be recorded onto computers... why not the reverse?

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Anyway, had I written it, I would have CLU murder Kevin.
"As long as you're still here, I'm just a mimicry; a wannabe user. Quit standing in my way!"
Derez... then you get Sam and Quorra off by the portal, freaking the heck out, really emotional about it. Sam's trying to break away from her to go at CLU. I'd then have had TRON climb up on the bridge behind CLU, and pull off the Rinzler mask.
"No Sam, you have to go."
Sams like "Alan?"
"Alan... was my user. I am TRON."
CLU whirls around on him "Don't interfere, TRON... I destroyed Flynn, I'll destroy you too!"
"And then what? Go through the portal? You're no user CLU. You're just a program!"
CLU flips out "WHO ARE YOU CALLING PROGRAM, PROGRAM!?" picks up his katana thing, and hurls it at Tron, who somersaults onto the ground and grabs Kevin's disc, using it to deflect the blow. CLU pulls out his own disc, and they start fighting, all over the bridge. Quorra continues to hold Sam back, tears streaming etc. CLU starts to get the upper hand, and forces the disc from Tron. He flips it on, showing the Quorra face. Tron and CLU both realize what just happened, and realization dawns on Sam. He looks at Quorra, and raises Kevin's disc into the stream, and CLU comes snarling after them. Tron gets up, runs after CLU, and tackles him off the bridge, screaming "I FIGHT FOR THE USERS!" as Sam and Quorra are ported off the grid.

An ending like that would have given the movie more Tron like we wanted, a more emotional climax, and taken care of more loose ends.

SubOdeon, I dig your post(s), Man. You are truly one of the more level-headed programs around here.

Here's some things I would have done if I had written Tron Legacy:

1)Shown more of Flynn's family - I mean, in the news montage in the beginning, we only see Flynn's Wife for literally a couple seconds; we see Sam's Grandparents for a few more seconds. One thing I liked in the TRON: THE BETRAYAL graphic novels was how we saw more of them - I know, you have to trim the fat when doing a film;

2)The Program in the bar with the slash in his face (can't remember his name) - I would have had him gather some of the other ISOs and oppressed programs, form a revolutionary movement, and then have them help Sam, Kevin, and Quorra out in getting rid of CLU 2; also, given how Castor ended up selling out Quorra and Sam, I wouldn't have had any discussions with Castor about this;

3)Flynn - hated to see him die; maybe change the ending to where Flynn Sr. comes back, (after defeating Clu 2), makes a surprise appearance at an ENCOM board meeting, and he gives Alan and Lora their jobs back, but promotes them to a higher level in the company. This in turn, pisses off Dillinger Jr. and then we'd clearly see more of an impetus for Dillinger Jr. and Dillinger Sr. to strike back. Kevin would also renovate and re-open his arcade;

4)Lora - I would have written in a flashback scene where we see her helping Flynn out with the new version of the Shiva laser, in his Flynn's Arcade hideout, while Flynn is building THE GRID. Lora's dialogue would reveal information that would enable Flynn to create a much smaller version of the laser, as well as all the technical information needed for THE GRID. We may even hear about an experiment where Lora travels into the Grid with Kevin when he goes to check in on Tron and Clu 2.

5)Would have included a reference to the ENCOM 511 in the scene where Kevin is sitting on Sam's bed talking to him, something like this:

INT. SAM FLYNN'S BEDROOM - NIGHT

Memorabilia from TRON, the successful motion picture based on KEVIN FLYNN's experience inside the ENCOM 511, as well as memorabilia from the newer system that Flynn himself built, populate Sam's room: bedspeads, a TRON movie poster, pillowcases, figurines, and the like. Kevin and his son SAM FLYNN (7 years old, short dark curly hair) are engaged in a bed time story.

SAM
So what happened to Clu?

KEVIN
There was a crash-
the MCP caught CLU and
deleted him.

SAM
What happened next?

KEVIN
I got a visit from Alan & Lora at
the arcade and talked them into
sneaking me into ENCOM so
I could get back in and get my
evidence.

SAM
Did you get in?

KEVIN
Well, Son, not like I had hoped to-
the MCP caught me and sucked
me inside. I was forced to play
video games or risk being derezzed.

SAM
Just like the games at the arcade?

KEVIN
Yes, particularly Light Cycles,
Discs of Tron, and this other game
like the one you play with your jai-alai
team. It was amazing, Man.

Flynn quickly goes to Sam's shelf and pulls out action figures of TRON, RAM, YORI, and THE MCP to continue his story. He also hums the iconic Wendy Carlos theme song from the first film.

KEVIN(Continued)
You shoulda seen it - your old Man,
TRON, RAM, and YORI defeated the
MCP, freed the system, Dillinger
went to jail, and I got my job back.
Then I began my meteoric rise to
the famous ENCOM video game
creator you see before you.

SAM
WOW!!!!!! Just like in the movie?

FLYNN
Yes, Sam. Just like in the movie,
but it was way cooler - and much more
dangerous. I tell you, that light cycle
battle was something else! It looked
so much easier on the other side
of the screen.

SAM
Ok, Dad. So, what happened next?

FLYNN
Well, I started going in at night, and
started to create, The Grid.

SAM
What's the Grid, Dad?

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(1) Tron. This movie is called TRON: Legacy. People want to know more about Tron and frankly TL didn't provide that. I would like to see him have a intense battle with Clu at the end, rather than crashing themselves out. Also Alan go into The Gird with Sam to revive Tron will be a perfect scene for me.

(2) Flynn. In TL it mentioned that Flynn tried to fight Clu but not succeed. I do think this storyline should include in the film.

(3) Clu. In Betrayal and Evolution it deeply describe how Clu start question Kevin's vision and start his own secret plan to push Kevin out. this need to be a the movie for god sake!!!

(4) Sea of Simulation. It seems sea of simulation is a place of mystery in the Grid. I do think the scene is too few.

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