ChessMess Wrote:Star Trek 2009 had $76 [million] in its opening weekend, finished its theatrical run with $385 million. I REALLY want tron to get a sequel, but its numbers are worrying me greatly.

There is nothing to worry about.

Consider: Star Trek 2009 had over 40 years of television shows, movies, and hundreds of novels, to create its fan base. Prior to its release. That's why Star Trek 2009 was even made: Paramount knew the Trek fan base would come back again, plus enough non-fan viewing to put cream on that apple pie. Granted, they still had to make a respectable movie, and I do think Trek 2009 is a good film, but the audience was "front loaded" in a way that TRON Legacy's audience is not.

In fact, comparing TRON Legacy to any of the recent science fiction or fantasy blockbusters is impossible because all of those blockbusters, save perhaps Inception, are tied to existing properties with long histories and fan bases from other mediums: Narnia, Iron Man, Harry Potter, X-Men, Transformers, Batman, and so forth.

TRON Legacy is a very rare experiment: the attempted big-budget revival of a "dud" from 30 years ago; not even a remake, but a continuation of the original plot. It had no books nor comics to generate fan interest. No television shows. No toy lines. No cartoons. It's as close as Hollywood gets to gambling with that much money in an era when Hollywood execs demand sure-fired success.

$170 million is high, but in today's CGI market it's not an unusual figure. Based on the opening weekend -- which was a strong weekend, don't let anyone say otherwise -- as well as initial weekday returns and overseas markets -- where TRON stands at #1 in many places -- the only way TRON Legacy fails to earn out is if foreign revenue implodes. And I don't see that happening.

Now, one might argue that marketing is part of this equation. And that's true. But we don't have hard numbers on marketing expenses, so let's stick with the production budget.

Also, consider a film like Night at the Museum:

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=nightatthemuseum.htm
Like TRON Legacy, Night at the Museum was a CGI-laden family-friendly film that opened decently -- not spectacularly, but decently -- in 2006, and went on to have a very looooooooooooooooong stay in theaters, both domestic and overseas, ultimately earning half a billion dollars. Plus a sequel.

I see every reason to believe TRON Legacy stays in theaters just as long as NatM, and I also see every reason to believe that TRON Legacy's gross overseas revenue will surpass its gross domestic revenue, and the gross domestic revenue is quite likely to pass the production budget some time in February, if not sooner.

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Tron Unit Wrote:I am worried. Less than $50 million opening weekend and with True Grit opening this week to rave reviews Tron's box office will drop and after the Christmas weekend even more. It had better have some long legs to break even. I just don't see it being the mega-hit Disney was hoping it would be. This could not only affect how they will proceed with a sequel or television series but it could also affect how they decide to proceed with Kosinski's Black Hole remake i.e. not putting as much marketing into it.

See my analysis above this post.

It's very possible True Grit will dethrone TRON this weekend, but True Grit is also a remake that many fans of the original refuse to see -- because they believe it was done right the first time, with John Wayne, and there was no need for a remake.

True Grit is also a Western, and those are very niche. No Western has opened to big box office in recent memory. Yes, Bridges' participation and the Cohen Bros. may make True Grit an exception to the rule, but honestly True Grit has even more going against it than TRON Legacy does, in terms of marketing and recent performance of similar types of films.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

I don't see TL as being comparable to NATM: TL has a different demographic to NATM and even the original Tron, skewed more towards teens, twenty-somethings and fanboys of all ages.

If anything, the closest film you can compare TL to would be Superman Returns: a surprisingly faithful sequel that was ~25 years too late and with rather mixed geek reactions. And look how well that did...

Now, that said, SR had a 50% bigger budget than TL, but its opening weekend also took about 20% more as well, without the benefit of 3D or IMAX prices.

I doubt True Grit will affect TL much. Different demographics, though TG will benefit from its association with No Country for Old Men. The real test will be to see how big a drop-off TL has over the next two weekends.where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

lurkinghorror Wrote: Sub-Odeon Wrote:It had no books nor comics to generate fan interest. :/

I should say, no long-time Marvel or DC comics.

Small print run independent comic series are not in the same league with major publishers and long-running titles, like X-Men or Iron Man or the new Thor movie.

I think I agree with jonwes, the Fockers movie probably has a better overall chance to dethrone Tron.

Oh hey, look, the Tuesday numbers are out!

TRON LEGACY improved over Monday's total!

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=tron2.htm

If TL can cruise along at perhaps $5 million per weekday, and get up to $10 million or above for Friday and Saturday both, that would put TL at 91 million dollars US revenue by Tuesday of next week. Which is a conservative estimate, I might add.

Not bad! Not bad at all!

Sub-Odeon Wrote: Tron Unit Wrote:I am worried. Less than $50 million opening weekend and with True Grit opening this week to rave reviews Tron's box office will drop and after the Christmas weekend even more. It had better have some long legs to break even. I just don't see it being the mega-hit Disney was hoping it would be. This could not only affect how they will proceed with a sequel or television series but it could also affect how they decide to proceed with Kosinski's Black Hole remake i.e. not putting as much marketing into it. See my analysis above this post. It's very possible True Grit will dethrone TRON this weekend, but True Grit is also a remake that many fans of the original refuse to see -- because they believe it was done right the first time, with John Wayne, and there was no need for a remake. True Grit is also a Western, and those are very niche. No Western has opened to big box office in recent memory. Yes, Bridges' participation and the Cohen Bros. may make True Grit an exception to the rule, but honestly True Grit has even more going against it than TRON Legacy does, in terms of marketing and recent performance of similar types of films.

Well, either way, Jeff Bridges should be given an applause for both of those movies. Even if True Grit dethrones it, Bridges deserves the recognition.
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Hey, more power to Jeff. I have always liked him a great deal, and was very pleased he got the Academy Award finally. He's versatile and enjoyable, and I bet True Grit will be a good film.

It is also very possible that there won't be a Tron 3. The budget for the film was 150 million+ and if it doesn't make more than its budget, Disney may can the Sequel, even if it's being written as we speak.

I hope it does, despite idiot reviews. There wasn't a single review that I saw that was positive, it was all negative, because of this, I will NEVER trust another mainstream movie review.

Tron Unit Wrote:Keep in mind the average price of a 3D ticket is $17 so when you break the numbers down per ticket not as many people went to see it as you might think.

True, I called my local theater in search of a regular showing, 3D tickets for it were expensive and I was buying for myself and 2 others.

The movie would have been awesome in 3D, but I know the movie wasn't made in 3D merely converted into 3D format after the fact
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Quicksort Wrote: typicaltronname Wrote: The movie would have been awesome in 3D, but I know the movie wasn't made in 3D merely converted into 3D format after the fact Not true.

It was made in 3D? This changes everything. I read somewhere it was converted into 3D after. Looks like I'll be giving that a view in 3D