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cirlin
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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Friday, December, 03, 2010 7:01 PM
AN0N Wrote:Actually Turok recieved ok reviews, the average is 70%, generally considered as good, not great. And the PotC game was actually looking really promising, it's not their fault Disney pulled the plug on it. I see what you're saying though... I guess the main thing I don't like about Battle Grids is the cartoony graphics, but I don't hold much hope for the gameplay.

In some ways I'm looking forward to the gamplay in Battle Grids more than in Evolution. I'm not much for online stuff, so this is the game I'm going to go to when I just want to race lightcylces and stuff. It also has such a variety of games that if one thing gets boring I can go on to another.
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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Friday, December, 03, 2010 8:03 PM
Well I am going to look into getting at least the wii itself from what I can see here with the wii starter pack it is fairly cheap with the standard games that come with it. I tried it at my kid brother place. At least try and git it between Christmas and new ears or earn it at work with enough point to get it free and shipped to my place and get the game itself and a added on hard drive to go with it to plug it into it. And put it onto there.

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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Friday, December, 03, 2010 9:57 PM
AN0N Wrote:Actually Turok recieved ok reviews, the average is 70%, generally considered as good, not great. And the PotC game was actually looking really promising, it's not their fault Disney pulled the plug on it. I see what you're saying though... I guess the main thing I don't like about Battle Grids is the cartoony graphics, but I don't hold much hope for the gameplay.

The first Tron wasn't cartoony cute and neither is TL.

As some people are saying in this thread that gameplay is more important than graphics, then why wasn't the same squirrel head anime toons and cuteness used in Evolution?


 
cirlin
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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Friday, December, 03, 2010 10:06 PM
Imbroglio Wrote:
AN0N Wrote:Actually Turok recieved ok reviews, the average is 70%, generally considered as good, not great. And the PotC game was actually looking really promising, it's not their fault Disney pulled the plug on it. I see what you're saying though... I guess the main thing I don't like about Battle Grids is the cartoony graphics, but I don't hold much hope for the gameplay.

The first Tron wasn't cartoony cute and neither is TL.

As some people are saying in this thread that gameplay is more important than graphics, then why wasn't the same squirrel head anime toons and cuteness used in Evolution?

Because they are two totally separate games telling separate stories, going for different moods, and taking place in different era's. Has every Mario game had the same art? Has every Zelda or Star Wars game? Of course not, because different games are created by different people with different goals, even if they take place in the same 'universe'.

Again, I'm not in love with the cartoony look, but it's close enough to Tron, and it goes with the whole Wii aesthetic that if the gameplay is good then it is not going to hinder my enjoyment much. It's just a shame if the art style is a deal-breaker that could cause some people to miss out on an otherwise fun Tron game.




 
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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Friday, December, 03, 2010 11:47 PM
I see the concern... every franchise these days that targets kiddies seems to require the characters to be capable of all the Matrix moves, plus some additional crazy power or another, like slamming a disc into the ground to throw enemies back in all directions (just like a Jedi did in a recent game that reimagined Star Wars to specifically target kiddies and leave all the other fans wondering "WTH? Since when can the Force crash a Star Destroyer?"

Kiddiefied games means turning all characters into superbeings with no regard to CANON whatsoever.

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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Saturday, December, 04, 2010 3:00 AM
cirlin Wrote:
Well then I'm really confused by your critique because there really haven't been many previews released and the ones that I've seen have shown the variety of games in short clips as they flash through the advertisment. The only thing they've shown much of is the lightcycle and grid runner games (both shown at E3 back in July, I believe, and we've seen how far the animation in Evolution has come since then). I can understand if you don't like the art style of the game, but I think that is a very subjective issue and does not mean it's 'crap'. It's sounds more like it's just not your style.

Also, what is it you've seen in the animations that you don't like?

my biggest gripe is, according to the short clips of gameplay, the camera is very jerky. This may be ok for some but if your viewpoint into the gameworld is not smooth then the player gets pulled out of the immersive experience that the designer intended. It's also motion sickness inducing. The other gripe is the overblown glow of the Visual FX. They obsure the action. Until i see more of the game my judgement is based solely on what they sent to be aired (which i don't feel is their best foot forward).

In my experience there's a huge conflict when it comes the interests of the gamers/internal production staff and the "suits". The designers make calls and can be overruled by management simply because the publisher has no interest in what makes a good/great game. All management is there for is to ensure that the studio keeps making money. A lot of times that means going to outsourcing and laying off internal talent or making design calls based on what'll give them the best bang for the buck. I saw some of that in the brief preview where the light runner and light cycle games were rewrapped versions of each other and likewise with the disc/tank battle.

Coming from an art background, you're correct. Art is subjective, and i'm not knocking them on their style. What i'm knocking them on is staying on-brand with the source. Sure they can Cutesy-fy the original but what i saw, point specifically to the lightcycles, was something that was not keeping with the style. As the designer states, "the lightcycles are iconic" This means DON'T STRAY FROM HOW THEY LOOK. This particular art style is inflated and scrunched, which goes with the overall style for their world BUT does not stay consistant enough in details with the construction of the original source.

Now my second largest gripe is the animation. their opening shows an non-interactive sequence with the two bikes "duking" it out. The animation looks like a student project. Specifically, the way the bikes tilt is incorrect (they need to roll smoothly from side to side not tip over like they're a couple of boxes tipping on their corners). another detail they are missing is weight. As the bikes begin to turn you'll notice they snap away from the direction they want to go. The idea is correct but their execution is flawed. It needs to be smoother with more ease in/out at the apex of the weight transition. The other critique is the character animation they use for the disc battle is second rate. Again, there's not much attention paid to the sense of weight, recovery, and anticipation.

Hope this helps reduce the confusion of my opinion.


 
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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Saturday, December, 04, 2010 3:15 AM
Imbroglio wrote: Some guy came into the place I worked at and offered me a xbox 360 for the wii because the games were more geared toward his nephews. I was really thinking of doing the trade but the guy went and capped himself after he took out a couple people.
That's a sad story... I'm very sorry to hear. I'm not clear on if you're trying to make a point for or against what I'm saying, though?

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Traahn Wrote:Maybe 1 out of every 50 games that came out for it was for adults

I'm sorry, but I have to rage a bit about this.

This is NOT how you determine the quality of a game. It's just not. The quality of a game should be determined by more than the amount of blood and gore and how much it's geared towards adults.

I'm sorry, but you [ rage ] missed the point entirely. [ /rage ]

A game's target audience has nothing to do with quality. And the two aren't mutually exclusive. Quality games can exist for a 2 year old, 5 year old, 10 year old, 30 year old, 50 year old, or a 90 year old. Just because I want more games tailored for my age group doesn't mean I don't think Nintendo games have poor, ahem, "quality." Really, Tron.dll? I'd expect more rational, non-inflammatory thoughts from you.

So, yeah, I never said anything about quality. Epic Mickey, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Brothers Wii, Mario 64, Zelda, etc. are all "quality" games. I'd enjoy them, and have enjoyed a few of them. In fact, I miss playing a Nintendo platformer every now and then. I wish Epic Mickey was coming out for more than just the Wii. I don't need "gore", and I wasn't saying a game needs to be a bloody gore fest for it to be a game I'd like, or for it to be quality... so please stop raging and learn the facts before you rage and blow a circuit next time. Maybe PM me and ask me what I mean, or stop raging for no reason.

If you were old enough to own your own Nintendo 64 (maybe you were? I really don't know)... and old enough at the time to not be into Pokemon... then you'd maybe know what I'm talking about. If not, then please stop launching misguided rants about stuff you're not sure about. I lived Nintendo 64. Been there, done that. And I speak from experience, from purchasing many games on their respective launch dates (and returning several, thankfully because they had the 5-7 day return policy at the time), and pre-ordering many, and continually watching what games were on the horizon... and continually being dissapointed. Games that were not targeted for kids were FEW and far between. And finding good quality fun one not in the kid category was hard, too. Maybe I sold my N64 before all the non-bubbly games came out, who knows. But for the couple years I had it, only a small handful of games were ones that were more for my age group.

If you were younger than me, then you probably didn't notice this Nintendo affliction. I made a personal decision (that has no bearing on your life) to stop buying Nintendo consoles until I see evidence of many more games that target an older crowd; something more on par with Xbox and Playstation's ability to release games that cater more to my age group. I had enough of Donkey Kong, Mario, Pokemon, StarFox, etc. I don't feel the GameCube or Wii has fit my gamer profile yet, and so I wait. Why you rage about my opinion and decision, based on my own personal experience, I'm not sure.

To SD1, who tried to make some nonsensical point using an example of how the Wii has about five "non-kid" titles after 4 or 5 years of being out, that's hardly evidence Nintendo is much different these days than it was with the N64.

Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm glad Nintendo is tailored more for kids. (And if you don't see that Nintendo is, then you may be in denial.) There's nothing wrong with Nintendo doing that. It's their prerogative, it's admirable and it's just fine. It's just my personal preference to avoid them until they grow out of the cartoony bubble more. No need to take offense or go on a rage war, it's just my perspective.

And I played through and beat Propaganda Games' Turok. A 70% score is misleading, Anon. There were a lot of things wrong with that game. But hey, that's just my opinion, man. (I wanted to say the last sentence there before SD1 could)


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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Saturday, December, 04, 2010 4:22 AM
There's more than 4-5, I listed 8 off the top of my head...

Here's a great thread from the Wii section on GameTrailer of recommended Wii games. http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/official-recommended-wii-games/1145380?page=1 Most of thes games listed in that thread range from good to very good to great. I didn't even mention Monster Hunter Tri, Golden Eye, any of the other FPS's. But it's really silly to think there's only 4 or 5.

IMO a game with lot's of realism a "mature" look, and "mature" content does not neccessarily make a game "good" or interesting.
It's challenging and fun gameplay that matters most, visuals are secondary in my view. Also, in my opinion, while there are plenty of Wii games that while having different stylized visuals, they still look great and are very good games.

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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Saturday, December, 04, 2010 4:50 AM
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Imbroglio wrote: Some guy came into the place I worked at and offered me a xbox 360 for the wii because the games were more geared toward his nephews. I was really thinking of doing the trade but the guy went and capped himself after he took out a couple people.
That's a sad story... I'm very sorry to hear. I'm not clear on if you're trying to make a point for or against what I'm saying, though?

Nah, I was just saying I missed an opportunity to get a xbox 360. The guy and the 2 people he killed are more victims of the screwed up economy. Like Gerald Celente says "when people lose everything and they have nothing left to lose, they lose it".

As for my video game experience I started out on those really primitive games where static held plastic scenery sheets on the t.v. screen and a white square moving across the screen was "shot" at with a light sensing gun. After that a Pong console then years later a Magnavox Odyssey 2 and finally an Intellivision with all of the Tron games.

Cartoony games from cartoons is fine. The new Donkey Kong looks fun. My beef is that with the Wii and controllers that would be pure science fiction back in 1982 I was expecting "something extraordinary" but instead Battle Grids is just blah. Well, I guess this is Disney's way of marketing the franchise to kids. I just don't have the money to buy the game solely because it is Tron.

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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Saturday, December, 04, 2010 9:56 AM
Imbroglio Wrote:Nah, I was just saying I missed an opportunity to get a xbox 360. The guy and the 2 people he killed are more victims of the screwed up economy. Like Gerald Celente says "when people lose everything and they have nothing left to lose, they lose it".

Wow, you mean the media actually isn't trying to blame it on his video game addiction?
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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Saturday, December, 04, 2010 12:37 PM
Yeah, that story is sad. Hope everyone's economy gets better soon.

My experience was with the N64. I still feel Nintendo games mainly focus on kids or casual gamers, by and large. But hey, if the Wii has all the same titles (or close to it) that PS3 and X360 have, without being kiddified, then I stand corrected. Somehow I don't think it does thoughabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion


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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Saturday, December, 04, 2010 1:21 PM
Nintendo and the 3rd party developers make games for a broad range of gamers, from young to old, "casual gamers" to long time core gamers. The Wii's Virtual Console has a large selection of downloadable 8-16bit and classic games, and Neo Geo arcade game that appeal to many that grew up with the NES, SNES, and Sega Genesis, etc. WiiWare Download service does have a selection of great unique original games (after sorting through the crap there ARE some great games to be found).

Nintendo tapped into a untapped market of formally "non-gamers" which helped sky rocket the Wii and main line titles to great success. The core supporters of Nintendo added to that number as well.
The Nintendo Wii is pretty much out selling the other consoles, and there is sales numbers to support this.

It's mainly the fault and responsiblity of 3rd party publishers/developers that are lazy and don't even try to make games to appeal to older teen or young adult gamers.

However, there are a few 3rd party developers that *are*. Like Suda 51, Marvelous, High Voltage, EA, just to name a few (there are others I just can't remember their names right now).

It's a matter of sorting through the crapware and finding the good games. They are out there, it's just retailers are wacked in the head and bury the good games among the shovelware crap.. which can frustrate and annoy core gamers like me (been an avid gamer for the past 25+ yrs).

If the retail stores actually promenantly displayed and put the GOOD & GREAT games in their store ads and promenantly displayed the GOOD core games on the selves and not support and sale so much of the kiddie stuff and shovelware junk, it would be alot better to generate awareness of those good quality core games IMO.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill

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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Saturday, December, 04, 2010 4:55 PM
Unfortunately, it's not up to the developer on where the shelf real-estate is but the deal struck with the publisher and retail stores.


 
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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Saturday, December, 04, 2010 5:04 PM
Which is in my opinion stupid. Smaller publishers with good games are getting buried by the kiddie stuff and shovelware crap.

I'm sure alot more people would enjoy games (to name but a few) No More Heroes II: Desperate Struggle, Mad World, Manhunt, House of the Dead: Overkill (bloody light gun shooter that pay homage to violent Grindhouse films of the 70's), Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, Monster Hunter Tri, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, Sky Crawlers, Trauma Team, etc etc.. if those where actually shown in store ads and had large standees up banners pointing out those Wii games, rather than store ads with and shelves filled with "Bratz: Pet Monkeyz!" or "Ninja Bread Man II: the Baking" or the dozen of other pieces of garbage. That crap p*ss off all of us long time core gamers that own a Wii.

And then there's this awesome video to remind people of what's come to pass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHFIX-E5k7w&hd=1

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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Sunday, December, 05, 2010 1:05 AM

Yeah the Wii actually has a lot of "dark" evil games now..
They have some Silent Hill stuff, resident evil,
Ju On, The Grudge... some other demonic Ghost games...

But it's true you don't ever see ads or hear about THOSE games.
You only hear about Super Mario Bros Wii
or Zelda..

But Zelda will be awesome.

Battle Grids looks fun... all I want is to be drunk.. while I ride around in the tank.. and blast people lol... I'll still get Tron Evolution for the PC.

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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Sunday, December, 05, 2010 10:36 AM
Yeah the games based on the movie don't really look appealing.

I mean, yeah, they are "Tron" but they have a very cheap feel to them.

Which is really just a sure fire way of knowing the makers of the game have no sense of game design on any level.

Where do I start?

The light cycles don't feel like they have any weight at all. The events from player movement, vehicle movement on up to de-rezzing that happen in the game don't have any sense of scale or time or weight.

In Mario bros games when you jump full speed a certain direction you can't just turn back around and fly back the other direction mid jump. The design of the movement makes it so your kinetic energy keeps you going the direction you jumped. When you are running and you try to turn around very fast Mario will slide, an animation starts where he is in a leaning/turning the other direction pose for a few frames while he is sliding, then for a few frames he has to pick up momentum again before he gets back up to full speed.

These little touches (which are hallmarks of Nintendo brand games like mario Bros, Metriod, Punch out, Zelda, make or break a good video game.

In Tron 2.0 game there was enough design that it worked, like the discs following your cursor after being thrown, but it cold have been much better overall. Still it turned out pretty good and made for a fun game.

These new tron games look like prefab games where the design was probably cut from a generic template game engine and then they started dropping the models in with very little thought of the animations, movement dynamic, weapon dynamic, death animation, explosions, etc.

It all feels very pre-visualization stage.

Even the Evolution studios game (which I worked on two trailers for), which looks to at least have an interesting story, still has a somewhat flimsy feel to it in the game trailers.

I mean, we have games like portal and team fortress2, which have a great look but more importantly great movement dynamic that gives the game weight and feel as you are pushing your character around in the world. With examples like these (even if you don't like the death match or puzzle style games) you have to acknowledge the general look and feel which is the key to a good game.

Sadly, I feel like this new generation of game makers have no idea why a game is good. Just like movies they think if you have a pretty still frame to show someone with a marketable name then "its good enough".

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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Sunday, December, 05, 2010 10:53 AM
oooooh kaaaay.....

Well I'll give my impressions and thoughts once I get the T:E for PC (if I get it up and running) and also for Battle Grids which im getting for me and my 11 yr old son whom will be with me over the x-mas break. It's be fun to battle each other in Light cycles and in Disc battle.

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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Sunday, December, 05, 2010 11:25 AM
They may well be super fun games.

Just that some games get me going from the trailer. These didn't do well based on the footage.

The tanks looked neat and I do think the Cartoony versions are fun to look at.

Didn't mean to be harsh, just my honest opinion.

I worked for a long time on the Movie Tron Legacy and while I am under NDA I can at least say I am pretty happy how it turned out. IMHO, I think most here will love it.


 
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RE: TRON: EVOLUTION - BATTLE GRIDS Wii Video-Game

on Sunday, December, 05, 2010 12:26 PM
So you didn't work on the video game, aside from Abraxis in the game's first trailer? But you worked on the film in some capacity? That's awesome! Congrats on being a part of bringing us a sequel! Would be neat to eventually hear what you did... When you're allowed to talk. I agree about some of the game comments there, but look forward to giving it a shot firsthand to verify or invalidate my concerns.


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