ChessMess
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Posts: 443 | Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Thursday, November, 04, 2010 1:38 PM
It shows Sark playing against the Arcade player, and beating the player.
"Damn!"
Umm... wouldn't the arcade machine have to have been connected to a network in order for Sark to play against him? There were no networked arcade machines then, so how exactly did Sark manage to get into and out of the Arcade machine.
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Mr. Sinistar
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Posts: 1,642 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Thursday, November, 04, 2010 2:03 PM
That's one of the most annoying plotholes in the movie for me. Either, it's because of several things.
1) Because Dillinger stole Flynn's games (including Light cycles), Dillinger left his imprint or code or Sark in the game's program and that's why Sark is in there.
2) There's a modem in the arcade machine that's connected to ENCOM's mainframe. Maybe they installed it for worldwide high score recording check or something and the MCP realized he can use this connection for his own use.
I think there's a couple more theories out there, but I can't remember them for now.
Nevertheless, it's still a good scene, even though it's confusing when you really think about it LOL.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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IsoLine
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Posts: 1,025 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Thursday, November, 04, 2010 2:29 PM
Yeah, we hashed this out in another thread. I think we came to the conclusion that if the MCP wanted to it could inject Sark into any piece of electronic equipment that pluged into a power outlet regardless of a modem for realtime data transfer.
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ChessMess
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Posts: 443 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Thursday, November, 04, 2010 3:34 PM
I don't like that conclusion at all.
I think I prefer to think that it was a copy of Sark on the machine. Hmm but that theory falls short too because he talks to the MCP.
I think it also fails a bit because the USER makes the same mistake that is later repeated by an AI program, meaning there was some bug or predestined action at that point that Flynn and Sark (with superior AI) knew about. (I guess if it was a bug then it would work against a User just as well against another AI).
So I like to think Sark was actually playing in the Encom System against some appropriated program and not a user at all, but the producer wanted it to feel more real so they added the Man vs Machine post edit.on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill onlineorder abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill
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CluLives
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Posts: 110 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Thursday, November, 04, 2010 6:19 PM
I agree with Mr. Sinistar.
I don't think the "Sark" riding the light cycle on the arcade game at Flynn's is the same "Sark" that speaks to the MCP soon after. The light cycle "Sark" never speaks, he's just a generic Encom 'bad guy' avatar.
When Dillinger claimed Flynn's games as his own, the digital representation of the 'bad guys' in the games became him.
So there are lots of evil David Warners inside all Encom games.
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ChessMess
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Posts: 443 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Thursday, November, 04, 2010 6:48 PM
Especially in the "Time Bandits" game. lol
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CluLives
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Posts: 110 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Thursday, November, 04, 2010 8:14 PM
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jonwes
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Posts: 580 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Thursday, November, 04, 2010 10:10 PM
Since Encom built the machine it's hard to say what the MCP might have placed in there, including network capabilities. Whether the Sark is the same or not is immaterial as two copies of the same program can run in two locations and communicate with each other. I'm sure to Sark he considers it himself no matter which copy it is.
Discuss it on tron-sector.com here.
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IsoLine
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Posts: 1,025 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Thursday, November, 04, 2010 10:33 PM
CluLives Wrote:I agree with Mr. Sinistar.
I don't think the "Sark" riding the light cycle on the arcade game at Flynn's is the same "Sark" that speaks to the MCP soon after. The light cycle "Sark" never speaks, he's just a generic Encom 'bad guy' avatar.
When Dillinger claimed Flynn's games as his own, the digital representation of the 'bad guys' in the games became him.
So there are lots of evil David Warners inside all Encom games. |
I don't know if I beleive that. First, agreed the Sark that played in the lightcycles games didn't have much to say....It was an action scene. However his speech to the MCP references the events of the game. "Stop putting me up against these accounting cremepuffs" and all that. So I think it was meant to be the same Sark, not some clone of Sark that he somehow snatches the emperical experiences from. How do we know that the digital representation of the bad guys in all of Encom's purloined games wasn't the MCP? Afterall they were written on Encom's mainfraimes, and he represents a "computer" more than Sark does.
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Thursday, November, 04, 2010 10:38 PM
The Light Cycles game could conceivably be connected by modem to the Encom 511.. maybe that connection is what Flynn used to hack into the system when he sent Clu in...
It could also just be a visual metaphor....
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Traahn
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Posts: 3,305 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Friday, November, 05, 2010 12:50 AM
All the MCP would have to do is point the real-world laser at a pocket calculator lying on a real-world desk and send Sark from the computer world, into the laser beam as binary matter, across the real world via that beam, and into the pocket calculator, where he would re-materialize as Sark to live out the rest of his microcycles in solitary pocket calculator confinement.
    
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FusionAddict
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Posts: 450 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Friday, November, 05, 2010 12:06 PM
*sigh*
This is a web site dedicated to a science fiction fantasy story in which a guy gets zapped into a computer via laser and sentient computer programs go to war with plasma-powered frisbees.
And you're concerned because something doesn't seem realistic enough for you?
Jeez, man...it's a movie. It's made for enjoyment, not analysis.
Besides, the movie never states that player is actually playing against Sark. It could merely be a stylistic intercutting for the sake of dramatic tension. A player is racing lightcycles while another lightcycle game is taking place on the Encom grid. SEE ALSO: Gollum's argument with himself in The Two Towers.
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IsoLine
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Posts: 1,025 | RE: Remember the beginning of Tron with the guy playing the arcade game... uh oh
on Friday, November, 05, 2010 12:20 PM
| Traahn Wrote:All the MCP would have to do is point the real-world laser at a pocket calculator lying on a real-world desk and send Sark from the computer world, into the laser beam as binary matter, across the real world via that beam, and into the pocket calculator, where he would re-materialize as Sark to live out the rest of his microcycles in solitary pocket calculator confinement. |
Or perhaps use radio waves. All electronic devices emit them. For years the Dept of Defense was afraid of Soviet spys being able to tap into computerized communications by reading the radio waves from computers. Tempest cages were developed to surround sensitive machines and stop their radio waves from being purloined. Or he could just send Sark via phone line and modem to a calculator manufacturer and access their manufacturing machinery (assuming its CNC) and physically burn Sarks program into a calculator microprosessor.
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