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Posts: 0 | TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 12:41 AM
I just came across this article. This writer believes that the women in TRON Legacy will do nothing but hang around "sexily" while only men do anything of substance. She arrives at this conclusion from watching one of the trailers.
"Collegian columnist Sophie Kaner points out overt sexism in mainstream cinema. This summer’s Tron: Legacy is a big offender. Kaner wonders, “does the coveted 18-35 male demographic really mind?”"
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Posts: 4,450 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 1:12 AM
She's just probably just one bottle short of your favorite beverage. And does not understand tron. Since she is refereng to the outfits as cat outfits on the Actresses playing in the movie tron. And that is putting it in a polit way.
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Posts: 3,488 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 1:47 AM
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Quorra is clearly a warrior-- and as for the women in white outfits-- they have a defined function of arming the "gladiators" so to speak.
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Posts: 803 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 3:27 AM
Anon Wrote:This writer believes that the women in TRON Legacy will do nothing but hang around "sexily" while only men do anything of substance. She arrives at this conclusion from watching one of the trailers. m |
It seems the writer of the article is specifically taking issue with the construction of one trailer - muting or highlighting the sexuality of feminine roles in an action film as a marketing ploy - not the film itself. Furthermore I saw no evidence of her making an assessment of the unreleased film based on the material in the trailer. Her issue is the trailer as a stand alone marketing tool.
Note that she repeatedly directed her critical assessment at "the trailer's producers". That bit of context is important. Additionally she points out that Quorra is described at IMDB as "fearless warrior" and questions why this aspect isn't represented in this particular trailer.
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Posts: 131 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 4:16 AM
It's a teaser trailer. They are always superficial and only show highlights from a movie. So far, i dont' think either trailer can really be described as a "full trailer" - that should be coming soon.
This just looks like lazy journalism to me. If it was anything else other than Tron Legacy we wouldn't give it a second look.
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Posts: 1,642 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 7:56 AM
She must have missed the part in the new trailer where Quorra was defending herself with her katana.
Yeah, the girls are wearing catsuits. But compared to other movie/TV costumes (and just look at some of the new animes shows out there), the female clothing is tame.
If she wants to point out sexism in the media, she should have done so on a broader range rather than pick just one movie.
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Posts: 667 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 12:42 PM
That person's logic makes me die a little inside(Both in IQ and hope for humanity).
I worry about real world problems such as women getting stoned to death for trival things (could be my cousin or aunt for all I know) or young girls getting sold as slaves to pervy old guys, and this person is freaking out over an article of clothing and a tiny movie trailer. Good grief...
I've seen a heck of a lot worse in movies, and Quorra's outfit (and personality from what I've seen in the trailers) doesn't even come close to qualifying as scanty clad. Plus, there's other female programs in the movie. order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill I'm cold and calculating. Don't press my buttons.
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Posts: 85 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 1:53 PM
Good grief...
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Posts: 0 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 2:00 PM
lurkinghorror Wrote:Anon Wrote:This writer believes that the women in TRON Legacy will do nothing but hang around "sexily" while only men do anything of substance. She arrives at this conclusion from watching one of the trailers. m |
It seems the writer of the article is specifically taking issue with the construction of one trailer - muting or highlighting the sexuality of feminine roles in an action film as a marketing ploy - not the film itself. Furthermore I saw no evidence of her making an assessment of the unreleased film based on the material in the trailer. Her issue is the trailer as a stand alone marketing tool.
Note that she repeatedly directed her critical assessment at "the trailer's producers". That bit of context is important. Additionally she points out that Quorra is described at IMDB as "fearless warrior" and questions why this aspect isn't represented in this particular trailer. |
While she does question the trailer in the manner that you suggest, she also goes onto to conclude that the trailer may reflect the movie itself quite accurately, thus clearly making a conclusion about the film itself. These are her words: "To give the trailer’s producers the benefit of the doubt, I considered that maybe they were just accurately portraying the movie’s content. Maybe the female characters in this movie really do just hang around sexily, and those were the most interesting shots they could find."
Also, there are multiple trailers for the film and Quorra is seen engaging in battle and driving a vehicle in a couple scenes, making the writer of the article look as though she wasn't really paying attention. order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion |
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Posts: 803 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 2:40 PM
Anon Wrote:
While she does question the trailer in the manner that you suggest, she also goes onto to conclude that the trailer may reflect the movie itself quite accurately, thus clearly making a conclusion about the film itself. These are her words: "To give the trailer’s producers the benefit of the doubt, I considered that maybe they were just accurately portraying the movie’s content. Maybe the female characters in this movie really do just hang around sexily, and those were the most interesting shots they could find." |
Again, you're ignoring context. She is only questioning the one trailer. The snippet you quote here is immediately followed by her comment that a cursory search on the internet informed her that the female character is meant to be a warrior in the full film and that (by her viewing) the one trailer does not reflect this aspect.
Nowhere does she make any conclusions about the end product.
Anon Wrote:Also, there are multiple trailers for the film and Quorra is seen engaging in battle and driving a vehicle in a couple scenes, making the writer of the article look as though she wasn't really paying attention. |
Again, context. She's only examining the one trailer and how it is constructed, as a specific marketing tool. Other trailers aren't really consequential to the process under those circumstances.
I think this woman is dead on in her examination of this particular trailer, and accurate in her observation that this is a trend in marketing. I just don't agree with her that this is a problem. It's a common thing with these truncated advertisements to portray key aspects of the material in the most base way, so as to appeal to the most base instincts of the audience. If people did not respond to these tactics, these tactics would not be engaged. You can only fight human nature so much.
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Posts: 3,488 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 8:26 PM
I dunno, it's hard for me to see from her POV as I know more about the movie's plot and have seen more footage from the trailer not to mention Tron Evolution trailer so it's hard for me to be able to see what she's whining about.
Still, calling sexism in just about everything is going to get a person easily dismissed-- (personally, I have issues with the original The Little Mermaid story and HIGHLY prefer Disney's version due to the fact that Shelly's Fairy Theatre videos left me ANGRY.)
I think I got off track, but basically, I think she's only going after Tron Legacy because it's primed to be the BIG MOVIE of the holidays-- there *are* other movies out there, right?order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion
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Posts: 803 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 8:37 PM
KiaPurity Wrote:I dunno, it's hard for me to see from her POV as I know more about the movie's plot and have seen more footage from the trailer not to mention Tron Evolution trailer so it's hard for me to be able to see what she's whining about.
Still, calling sexism in just about everything is going to get a person easily dismissed-- (personally, I have issues with the original The Little Mermaid story and HIGHLY prefer Disney's version due to the fact that Shelly's Fairy Theatre videos left me ANGRY.)
I think I got off track, but basically, I think she's only going after Tron Legacy because it's primed to be the BIG MOVIE of the holidays-- there *are* other movies out there, right? |
The thing is, she doesn't go after the film. She only targets the one trailer. She is very specific about that. So, it's not a matter of what the content of the film is or of any other trailer or even the original film, but instead an observation of the marketing tactics of Legacy as represented in this singular instance.
To be clear: Not once does the article author suggest that the film itself will be sexist. She is criticizing one marketing effort.
Again, I think she's right about this trailer and about similar marketing trends. But I simply don't see the problem with having one trailer (out of several) from a film designed to highlight men and women in these particular roles. Studies have shown that men and women both respond positively to trailers that highlight action in men and beauty in women. Combating sexism does not mean eliminating sexuality or gender roles absolutely.
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Posts: 1,468 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Monday, September, 20, 2010 11:13 PM
to me the whole thing is just stupid. a split second shot of quorra laying on a couch.. whoopdie fcking doo. honestly yes she looks hot/sexy in that shot but many things came to my mind when i first saw that trailer like "whoa she looks cool"
and even "that couch looks pretty cool" (yes i was in fact also looking at the couch"
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Tuesday, September, 21, 2010 1:34 AM
..... wow. Just.... wow.
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Posts: 3,488 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Tuesday, September, 21, 2010 6:18 PM
^ Best Star Trek facepalm ever.
ETA-- I really can't refute anything because I'm not terribly familiar with how marketing works and besides, marketing strategies tend to fly over my head with a woosh.
I didn't really "notice" anything "sexist" about the trailer because at that point, it was OMG IT'S TRON, ALL THE AWESOME STUFF IN TRON LEGACY OMG OMG OMG. My bias as a Tron fangirl has made me blind to the "marketing sexism".
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Posts: 215 | Re: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Tuesday, September, 21, 2010 6:43 PM
From a marketing point of view, that's why she's there. she'd be right in that sense.
From a script point of view? Sam needs a love interest. He needs someone to fight for in possible future installments.
I'll give this woman's trolling a 5/10.
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Posts: 40 | RE: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Sunday, October, 17, 2010 2:35 PM
There are other film trailers (Piranah 3D) which are way more sexist and depict women in sterotypical roles than Tron.
I did a research project about women in science fiction. There is sexism in science fiction which is ironic since Mary Shelly wrote what many believe is the first science fiction novel Frankenstein. Often women in sci-fi are shown to be a love interest to the male protagonist or are there for eye candy. This has changed over the years. Women are given more substantial roles in the genre than they have been given in the past.
As I studied the history of the genre I discovered Wilma Deering from Buck Rogers (in the comics strips) was shown to be a resourceful and intelligent woman soldier. She was atypical of women characters in sci-fi for her time.
I don't see overt sexism in Tron or the marketing for Tron Legacy. Quorra is a woman warrior and I've seen her speak and fight in promos for the film. Olivia Wilde has given interviews explaining her take on the character. She's a real actress and is popular from being on House and her likeness used in the trailer is part of the marketing.
I do think Spinmaster should have released a Quorra figure in wave one. Omitting her and only having male character figures kind of dismisses her contribution in Tron Legacy.
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Sunday, October, 17, 2010 6:38 PM
In most of the new promo spots on Disney X D channel, Quorra is said to be the one to help guide and protect Sam. So that kind of dispells the "female needed to be protected" trope IMO.
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Posts: 4,349 | RE: TRON's only legacy is sexism? on Sunday, October, 17, 2010 6:45 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:In most of the new promo spots on Disney X D channel, Quorra is said to be the one to help guide and protect Sam. So that kind of dispells the "female needed to be protected" trope IMO.
I do hope a Quorra and Tron action figures come out soon. I think Quorra is the most interesting new character in Tron Legacy so far from all the trailer and promo clips I've seen. |
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