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Mayorcan
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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Sunday, October, 24, 2010 11:56 AM
Meatsack Wrote:Update to IMDB: Anis Cheurfa is the actor listed as playing Rinzler. With CGI, though, it might be a young Bruce Boxleitner's face that shows if the helmet is ever taken off. With those moves, though, I was almost expecting Ray Park to be the physical actor.

True. I mean, even Clu, whose face is a young Jeff Bridges, is super-imposed on the body of another actor (if what I've heard Olivia Wilde mention in interviews is correct). So Mr. Cheurfa might indeed play Rinzler while if Rinzler's face is revealed, it will be that of a young Bruce Boxleitner.

I think this is becoming one of the exciting mysterious of the new film. We're all trying to figure it out and have found some compelling evidence via the trailers and select spoilers from that young reader's novel and the news of Tron Uprising that something *bad* happens to Tron, but what happens to him as a result is not revealed. Then this Rinzler guy appears with no given origin, and we can begin to make some connections. We're just missing that "Exhibit A" that will beyond a shadow of a doubt cinch the Tron = Rinzler connection, and that, my friends, I suspect we will most definitely have to wait for until the movie comes out.

Pilgrim1099 Wrote:My biggest concern is how they will resolve the rulership if Clu is ousted. Killing him off would be equivalent to Darth Maul and pointless. If Clu goes, who is supposed to run the Grid in the political circle? Would Flynn have to make Clu 3.0 to counter him? How do you counter a program that is devious as Clu? I think of him as a digital version of Lucifer but he has to be kept lo cked up in some kind of hell, although the way Clu shares Flynn's dream of a perfect world is not so much different than the philosophy of Thomas Moore who wrote the ideals of Utopia.

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on Sunday, October, 24, 2010 12:00 PM
Mayorcan,

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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Sunday, October, 24, 2010 2:37 PM
Sam and Rinzler fight on the grid (which has already been shown)...at some point, Sam knocks Rinzler's helmet off with his disk,revealing TRON underneath....Sam recognizes the face as a younger Alan,and surmises that it's TRON,because of this....they continue to fight,and Sam chips away at his programming,telling him how he was once good,and fought for the programs against the MCP ,and the CLU has reprogrammed and corrupted his programming,and he needs to wake up and see that CLU has just replaced the MCP....it gets through,but not all the way...as Rinzler stands over a defeated Sam,ready for the de-rezing blow,Sam tells him the truth: He's Flynn's son,and a user himslef....a conflicted Rinzler/Tron hesitates,and for a moment the REAL Tron shines through,and holds back the killing blow,giving Sam an opportunity to hit one of his own....the defeated (and restored) Tron has a scene similar to Flynn and Ram in the first film, where he lays mortally wounded,with Sam over him...he takes Sam's hand,and thanks him for restoring him...he asks for Sam's Identity Disk,and transfers his coding onto it, giving Sam all his knowledge,moves,and experience,making him a match for Clu on the game grid....he urges Sam to do what he couldn't to end the tyranny,and fight for all the free programs and the Users....Tron then de-rezes....and a newly confidant Sam prepares for his biggest test - Clu himself....

just an idea of what i'd like to see....


 
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on Sunday, October, 24, 2010 7:33 PM
I bought the rinzler toy the other day and its cool, it comes with two identity disks!
I really wanna see if he has any of tron's old disk throwing moves.


 
KiaPurity
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on Sunday, October, 24, 2010 8:23 PM
You know, I grabbed the junior novelization (lol no chapter for the ending and the barcode in the book says that the ending isn't being released till December 17th. :P)

SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read:
It is cited that Clu does not have the ability to create. He can only destroy and re-purpose programs. It's likely when Tron was captured, he was re-purposed. Perhaps into Rinzler?
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Mayorcan
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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Sunday, October, 24, 2010 10:13 PM
Oh man...

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If Tron is captured and "re-purposed", I hope he doesn't go down without an epic fight. This is Mr. "Haven't Built a Circuit that Could Hold You" Tron.

Interesting move on the book lacking an ending. Actually, it is quite smart. It saves us from spoilers and builds interest in those who want to find out what happens to actually go see the movie.




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on Wednesday, October, 27, 2010 10:12 PM
I also read the junior novel and I too like the fact that they left the ending a mystery.

When I was at the bookstore, I also picked up the It's Your Call, "Initiate Sequence" book, which is basically like the old "Create Your Own Adventure" books when I was growing up. It has 20 possible endings, depending on the choices you make at certain parts of the story.

SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read:
I noticed in the "Initiate Sequence" book, there are two possible endings that could be true to the movie: One where Quorra joins Sam and Flynn in the Portal beam and ends up in the real world, and the other where she stays behind and only Kevin and Sam enter the Portal. Reading the sequences and based upon the action, I think the movie may go with the ending where Quorra ends up in the real world. However, who's to say that EITHER ending is how the movie ends? Maybe NEITHER is correct, and the movie has an altogether different ending. But if either one is true, I'm wondering how they are going to set up for sequels to TRON: Legacy, since there have been talks about a trilogy.

One other point about the junior novelization and the It's Your Call book is that neither ever really explains what actually happened to TRON and if he is indeed Rinzler. That may be one of the surprises in the movie. All of this just makes me more excited to see the film!




 
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on Sunday, October, 31, 2010 4:29 AM
Looks like CLU was a little jelous of TRON and Kevin FLYNN.


 
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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Sunday, October, 31, 2010 8:01 AM
There is another interesting thing I noticed from a scene at TRON Night...

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When Quorra and Sam enter Kevin's Safehouse, Quorra approaches Flynn, who is seated on the floor in a meditative state. As she draws near, Flynn utters, "I had a dream about Tron...I think something terrible happened to him." It is noteworthy to mention that the chase scene before this (part of which is seen in that new clip, Sam meets Quorra, that is on the front page) features Rinzler pursuing the light runner up to the edge of the Grid.
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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Sunday, October, 31, 2010 9:18 AM
It warrants pointing out the all security programs have the same insignia. Tron, Anon, and Rinzler all have it, therefore it's possible that Rinzler could also be Anon or possibly another one of Tron's suboordinates that was either captured or betrayed him.

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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Sunday, October, 31, 2010 4:12 PM
FusionAddict Wrote:It warrants pointing out the all security programs have the same insignia. Tron, Anon, and Rinzler all have it, therefore it's possible that Rinzler could also be Anon or possibly another one of Tron's suboordinates that was either captured or betrayed him.

what do u mean they have the same insignia? You mean the little squares that form a "T" ? if so only TRON/RNZLER has that, not ANON. and in term sof the speculation i'm pretty sure we can all agree that TRON is def. 99.9% RINZLER, if u look at not only his circuitry but also how his costume is designed. comparing what we've seen of TRON in footage from EVOLUTION and pics from BETRAYAL, his costume is exactly like RINZLER's.

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CaptainCR
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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Sunday, October, 31, 2010 4:13 PM
HooDooMan Wrote:I also read the junior novel and I too like the fact that they left the ending a mystery.

When I was at the bookstore, I also picked up the It's Your Call, "Initiate Sequence" book, which is basically like the old "Create Your Own Adventure" books when I was growing up. It has 20 possible endings, depending on the choices you make at certain parts of the story.

SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read:
I noticed in the "Initiate Sequence" book, there are two possible endings that could be true to the movie: One where Quorra joins Sam and Flynn in the Portal beam and ends up in the real world, and the other where she stays behind and only Kevin and Sam enter the Portal. Reading the sequences and based upon the action, I think the movie may go with the ending where Quorra ends up in the real world. However, who's to say that EITHER ending is how the movie ends? Maybe NEITHER is correct, and the movie has an altogether different ending. But if either one is true, I'm wondering how they are going to set up for sequels to TRON: Legacy, since there have been talks about a trilogy.

One other point about the junior novelization and the It's Your Call book is that neither ever really explains what actually happened to TRON and if he is indeed Rinzler. That may be one of the surprises in the movie. All of this just makes me more excited to see the film!


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verrrrry intersting, from interviews with Olivia Wilde i was starting to speculate weather or not Quorra would enter the real world.


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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Tuesday, November, 02, 2010 8:43 AM
should be noted......

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in an interview i read with the filmmakers,they 100% say Tron WILL be in this film ,saying "I'ts a Tron film,so yeah." ...but,of course,they leave out the how's,why's,what's,etc...

thinking the rumors of Tron being Rinzler just jumped up to 1000 % truth....





 
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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Tuesday, November, 02, 2010 5:36 PM
100% the Identity Discs are obviously PART of the Programs and the only way to "impress" their code with new orders and functions at any given time.
Remember, when CLU 1.0 was driving the tank, he didn't "actually" hear Flynn's REAL voice talking to him (!!!!!!), he was just "listening" to the code impressed on his DISC, the instructions Flynn gave him.

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on Tuesday, November, 02, 2010 6:14 PM
How come tron had to go to an i/o tower to talk to alan?


 
mikey1974
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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Wednesday, November, 03, 2010 6:57 AM
cause the MCP shut down all contact between the programs in it's system and the outside world...Tron could still "hear" Alan-1 ,as he said he said his user was calling to him...but at that point,he couldn't make direct contact with alan without an I/O Tower...


this could also be the key to Rinzler...what if Clu gets ahold of Tron's Identity Disk,and corrupts it,imprints what he wants out of Tron onto it ,thereby turning him into Rinzler...


 
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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Wednesday, November, 03, 2010 8:40 PM
KiaPurity Wrote:You know, I grabbed the junior novelization (lol no chapter for the ending and the barcode in the book says that the ending isn't being released till December 17th. :P)

SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read:
It is cited that Clu does not have the ability to create. He can only destroy and re-purpose programs. It's likely when Tron was captured, he was re-purposed. Perhaps into Rinzler?

This could very well be the reason for Rinzler having two discs. Old and new. Think Windows and a Service Pack...you can't use one without the other.

Here's a continuation of the idea (just a theory, but in spoiler to avoid persecution)

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So, in thinking that they wouldn't want to end this movie (or trilogy) without resolving whatever issue has perverted the True Blue Tron. What if, eventually, one of Rinzler's discs is destroyed (would have to be the correct one) which causes a 'rollback' of Rinzler to the original Tron? This could also come with additional plot line, since there is a risk of killing Tron if the wrong disc is destroyed...

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RE: Rinzler a descendant of Tron?

on Thursday, November, 04, 2010 6:37 PM
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