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 Posts: 120 | so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Thursday, July, 29, 2010 8:57 PM
i've always wondered why the (real world) story of TRON takes place at night. Does Encom not keep standard business hours? When the popcorn guy asks Alan for some popcorn, it looks like they're the only two guys on the whole floor, and yet Dillinger is just ARRIVING at the office, and Walter and Lora are in the basement "disintegrating things"
Its not really that important, and i'm not trying to rant or nitpick, its just always struck me as odd, ever since I was a little kid watching TRON.
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 Posts: 354 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Thursday, July, 29, 2010 9:50 PM
That is odd. I never gave any thought to that. Although, it could be in the winter/fall time, where the sun goes down earlier and maybe it was just about quitting time for some people, or they are hidden in their offices when Alan got the call from Dillinger.
Also, with Dillinger comming back at night, the MCP did call him back from a show, and Dillinger might have left his car at the ENCOM building, which is why he arrived in a hellicopter.
The Digitizing scene, could have happened around lets say... 8 or 9 PM. Around a time when people usually stop for the night. And when Lora and Alan are heading to Flynns Arcade, it might have taken them 30 minutes to and back from there. Not sure really how far apart the two are. Just theorizing.
So it would make sense, when Alan, Flynn, and Lora return to ENCOM, that it would be late at night, hence a comment from the guard "Working late tonight?".
But that's what I think could explain the whole "Tron at night" shoots.
And I don't meen that whole thing as a rant either. I just never gave any thought to the night thing till now, and found it very interesing. :3
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 Posts: 1,025 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Thursday, July, 29, 2010 10:01 PM
basic.exe Wrote:i've always wondered why the (real world) story of TRON takes place at night. Does Encom not keep standard business hours? When the popcorn guy asks Alan for some popcorn, it looks like they're the only two guys on the whole floor, and yet Dillinger is just ARRIVING at the office, and Walter and Lora are in the basement "disintegrating things"
Its not really that important, and i'm not trying to rant or nitpick, its just always struck me as odd, ever since I was a little kid watching TRON. |
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 Posts: 129 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Thursday, July, 29, 2010 10:17 PM
If I remember right, Dillinger was just getting back from a trade show.
Lots of programmers, animators, laser lab techs, etc. work extended hours when working on a big project - 'crunch time.'
Isn't the popcorn guy is Ram's user?
The security guard asks Lora and the gang 'working late?' as if it was nothing out of the ordinary.
The night lights are cooler and give a more connection to the world on the other side of the screen.
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 Posts: 334 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Thursday, July, 29, 2010 11:28 PM
itom Wrote:If I remember right, Dillinger was just getting back from a trade show.
Lots of programmers, animators, laser lab techs, etc. work extended hours when working on a big project - 'crunch time.'
Isn't the popcorn guy is Ram's user?
The security guard asks Lora and the gang 'working late?' as if it was nothing out of the ordinary.
The night lights are cooler and give a more connection to the world on the other side of the screen.
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according to TronWiki
"Ram was an actuarial program who "worked for a big insurance company" before being captured by the MCP and forced to play on the Game Grid. While held captive, he met Tron and became one of his friends."
So no it's not Ram's user.. But its the same actor, just as a guy in the offices IMDB : Ram/Popcorn Co-Worker
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 Posts: 155 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Friday, July, 30, 2010 12:59 AM
Its a visual motif.
Flynn's world is shrouded in darkness until his is able to liberate himself through his introspective journey into the Tron world. When we see the real world for the first time after this, with Alan and Laura waiting on the rooftop, it is finally bright. The light was earned.
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 Posts: 116 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Friday, July, 30, 2010 10:38 PM
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 Posts: 4,450 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Friday, July, 30, 2010 10:59 PM
Basic.exe it'll depend as well too. Some people like Kevin Flynn may like to work nights as some techs and programmers do like myself who can work and think clearly at night. It just might be just a preference to this within the storyline as well. Some people like the standard hours, while other prefer evening or graveyard shift. I myself work evenings and sometimes weekends since my shift changes every couple of weeks where my days off are during the week.
I think your right as well. during the 80's I don't think there were no vpn and definately no Internet during that time line.
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 Posts: 17 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Saturday, July, 31, 2010 4:46 PM
There's a number of explanations possibly for this:
1. Alan is a nightowl or is nearing completion of Tron and wanted to put in the extra hours to get it completed.
2. Alan was waiting on Lora to finish her digitize experiment and decided to work on Tron in the meantime.
3. Lots of programmers work odd hours, sometimes to meet project deadlines - hence the workers there at night.
4. Dillinger was called back to the office by the MCP so the MCP can discuss Flynn with him.
5. Peter was there because the MCP or Dillinger himself notified him he's coming back from the CES directly and his assistant is required to be there upon his arrival.
6. Walter was there because of the digitize experiment, then when he learned Group 7 access was cut off and learned Dillinger was in the building, decided to have an impromptu meeting with him.
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 Posts: 394 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Saturday, July, 31, 2010 6:43 PM
Compucore Wrote:...
I think your right as well. during the 80's I don't think there were no vpn and definately no Internet during that time line.
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And I'm not counting the early ARPANET that ran in the UK in 1978!
Here, check out this plaque commemorating the birth of the Internet at Stanford University...
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 Posts: 394 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Saturday, July, 31, 2010 10:30 PM
Kia, Beef,
I believe the main confusion regarding this is that people tend to think that the internet started when the World Wide Web started (in 1991) but this is just a system of interlinked hypertext documents accessed via the Internet. The WWW didn't exist in the world of TRON in the time line set in the original movie but a global system of interconnected computer networks existed already in that same time line... you tell me how important it was to stop the machinations of the MCP... a concept explored later in the 'War Games' movie indeed...
With all due respect to Mr. Jeff Bridges, in all the interviews he's mentioned "there was no internet back then", well, lemme tell you, I think someone should've given him more technical advice on this already... (By the way, at the recent SDCC 2010 Disney panel he dared publicly state something along the lines "there was no SDCC back then" regarding the promotion of the original TRON movie...For cryin' out loud Mr. Bridges! It exist since 1970!!!)
Now, I am the first one to acknowledge the fact that THE INTERNET INDEED WASN'T A WIDESPREAD TECHNOLOGY OR SOCIAL PHENOMENON as it became a decade later but talking about a "science fiction movie" this was NO science fiction at all!!! The 'hard sci-fi' aspect to TRON is, of course, the DIGITIZING PROCESS, the disintegration and re-integration of matter and a human being...
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 Posts: 334 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Saturday, July, 31, 2010 11:03 PM
VRAM Wrote:Kia, Beef,
I believe the main confusion regarding this is that people tend to think that the internet started when the World Wide Web started (in 1991) but this is just a system of interlinked hypertext documents accessed via the Internet. The WWW didn't exist in the world of TRON in the time line set in the original movie but a global system of interconnected computer networks existed already in that same time line... you tell me how important it was to stop the machinations of the MCP... a concept explored later in the 'War Games' movie indeed...
With all due respect to Mr. Jeff Bridges, in all the interviews he's mentioned "there was no internet back then", well, lemme tell you, I think someone should've given him more technical advice on this already... (By the way, at the recent SDCC 2010 Disney panel he dared publicly state something along the lines "there was no SDCC back then" regarding the promotion of the original TRON movie...For cryin' out loud Mr. Bridges! It exist since 1970!!!)
Now, I am the first one to acknowledge the fact that THE INTERNET INDEED WASN'T A WIDESPREAD TECHNOLOGY OR SOCIAL PHENOMENON as it became a decade later but talking about a "science fiction movie" this was NO science fiction at all!!! The 'hard sci-fi' aspect to TRON is, of course, the DIGITIZING PROCESS of a human being...
...Now, speaking in 'fictional' terms, ENCOM's advances in technology established in the movie allow us to infer that Flynn may had set up a dedicated network of some sort inside FLYNN'S already... It seems his arcades (Light Cycles, Space Paranoids, etc.) could be and were interconected as "Sark inside that arcade" demonstrated at the beginning of the movie... I think it's safe to say that Kevin Flynn had envisioned already a gaming network of online-enabled games if you will... |
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 Posts: 4,450 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Saturday, July, 31, 2010 11:39 PM
Well initially the internet was meant to be used for a select few University which included a sector of the US government. During that time. The idea was inspired during the cold war during the late 50's. Maybe within a situation like this since Encom itself needed to branch with certain departments of the government which they needed to be connected to. It could have been as well. Depending if its network was set up to do so. And yes I do know the plaque as well it is also mentioned in wiki here as well too which give more information in general.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
In general The internet was supposed to be used for Universities and the government at that time way before it went public into the late 80's early 90's. During those time before it was originally created for research and development. And needed to be decentralized for those purposes. So no one area would be hit. Arpa was also used in the States and in the UK. I am very well aware of that too. I did a presentation of what the internet was in 2003 for a programming class that I was taking back then.
And take a look now with TCP/IP version 6 slowly coming onto the scene to add more IP's to the network since the older version 4 is running out of IP's to work with.
VRAM Wrote:Compucore Wrote:...
I think your right as well. during the 80's I don't think there were no vpn and definately no Internet during that time line.
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Compucore, don't get me wrong here but how come you call yourself a Computer Science expert and say the Internet didn't exist in the 80's?
If it existed in the real world by that time, it existed already in the world of TRON too...
The Internet Protocol is one of the determining elements that define the Internet. The dominant internetworking protocol in the Internet Layer in use today is IPv4 and it was already described in RFC 791 by 1981. The first TCP/IP-based wide-area network was operational by January 1, 1983...
And I'm not counting the early ARPANET that ran in the UK in 1978!
Here, check out this plaque commemorating the birth of the Internet at Stanford University...
BASIC.EXE,
Even more interesting is the fact that Kevin Flynn spent most of that night, that is, more than 6 or 7 hours inside the electronic world! At the end of the movie we see Mr. Dillinger arrives at his office the next morning and reads the "inconvenient" message in the screen and it says 6:00 hours and we can see the first rays of light raising in the horizon... |
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 Posts: 4,450 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Saturday, July, 31, 2010 11:46 PM
I know which screens shot that your referring to KIa. But he was accessing the Mainframe directly with a modem on the other side at the office itself to hack into the mainframe memory. I had to also do research as well in the early 90's directly at a local college on their unix computer as well to take a look for some book that were available that I needed to reserve directly there. I know how it feels to dial into network via telnet in dos the good old days.
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In several other threads, people were saying internet didn't exist in 1982! *headdesks*
I have a screenshot of Flynn's Apple III which has a *modem* on it. ;_; |
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 Posts: 334 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Saturday, July, 31, 2010 11:49 PM
Compucore Wrote:Well initially the internet was meant to be used for a select few University which included a sector of the US government. During that time. The idea was inspired during the cold war during the late 50's. Maybe within a situation like this since Encom itself needed to branch with certain departments of the government which they needed to be connected to. It could have been as well. Depending if its network was set up to do so. And yes I do know the plaque as well it is also mentioned in wiki here as well too which give more information in general.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
In general The internet was supposed to be used for Universities and the government at that time way before it went public into the late 80's early 90's. During those time before it was originally created for research and development. And needed to be decentralized for those purposes. So no one area would be hit. Arpa was also used in the States and in the UK. I am very well aware of that too. I did a presentation of what the internet was in 2003 for a programming class that I was taking back then.
And take a look now with TCP/IP version 6 slowly coming onto the scene to add more IP's to the network since the older version 4 is running out of IP's to work with.
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Beefkiller Wrote:Compucore Wrote:Well initially the internet was meant to be used for a select few University which included a sector of the US government. During that time. The idea was inspired during the cold war during the late 50's. Maybe within a situation like this since Encom itself needed to branch with certain departments of the government which they needed to be connected to. It could have been as well. Depending if its network was set up to do so. And yes I do know the plaque as well it is also mentioned in wiki here as well too which give more information in general.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
In general The internet was supposed to be used for Universities and the government at that time way before it went public into the late 80's early 90's. During those time before it was originally created for research and development. And needed to be decentralized for those purposes. So no one area would be hit. Arpa was also used in the States and in the UK. I am very well aware of that too. I did a presentation of what the internet was in 2003 for a programming class that I was taking back then.
And take a look now with TCP/IP version 6 slowly coming onto the scene to add more IP's to the network since the older version 4 is running out of IP's to work with.
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 Posts: 206 | Re: so maybe this has already been covered...BUT on Wednesday, August, 04, 2010 8:23 PM
Internet or no, I would like to bring up the more common concept of the poor man's internet, the computer bulletin board system (the BBS).
BTW, feel free to check out my favorite, the Prison Board BBS at telnet://rdfig.net. (or 972-329-0781 for the people who want the true old school experience)
Many corporations had a dial-in point, and someone with a early IBM, Apple ]I[, I even knew someone who used an Atari 400, could call in with a modem. It was common for corporations to have multiple phone lines. People could work over the phone, could chat real time in chat rooms (with other users that dialed into the corporate computer), even play online games if the company allowed it.
DARPA net was well known, but was a government accessed network. Later the DARPA net and BBS's would start to share Usenet groups, but that was a gradual process.
Anyway, a Bulletin Board System, I'm sure ENCOM would have had one, but connection speeds at 1981 were like 300 to 600 baud, with crazy people with 1200 baud modems. Not bad, but even better would be to STAY AFTER HOURS and just get the programming projects done. :P
And honestly I think that is what we saw in the first TRON movie. I kinda liked that after hours office feel, and think of TRON when I stay after hours at my office. And sometimes, I think of popcorn but never seem to have any on hand damnit.
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