That's impossible. In TRON 1 Programs have glowing circuit suits "embedded" into their "organisms" (or whatever they are made of), it's part of them being programs. When Kevin Flynn has been digitalized the very first time, he turned into a program (of himself), and he ALREADY had the suit as you can see by yourself.

Now, back to LEGACY, why is the "digitalized" Sam Flynn - who is now a program of himself - wearing normal terrestrial clothes?
And why does he need new programs to obtain a SUIT? This doesn't make sense at all and came off as a total disappointment to me.

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Program BASIC Wrote:That's impossible. In TRON 1 Programs have glowing circuit suits "embedded" into their "organisms" (or whatever they are made of), it's part of them being programs. When Kevin Flynn has been digitalized the very first time, he turned into a program (of himself), and he ALREADY had the suit as you can see by yourself. Now, back to LEGACY, why is the "digitalized" Sam Flynn - who is now a program of himself - wearing normal terrestrial clothes? And why does he need new programs to obtain a SUIT? This doesn't make sense at all and came off as a total disappointment to me.

It's a throwback to the original Tron's concept art. I don't really like it that much either, but I do think it's nice that they're staying true to the original's early concepts. Probably one of the reasons that the movie is giving off an "80's feel" as described by some press at Comic-Con.order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion

ShadowDragon1 Wrote: Jason.exe Wrote:I just don't get what the big deal is with Sam having street clothes on. I am perfectly satisfied with Sam having his User clothes because I am endowed with the knowledge that they wanted to that in the first film but couldn't. As a hardcore TRON fan I like this. I see it that, because the system has evolved so much, and there being no MCP in control of the Digitizing process, Users are allowed to be digitized in to the Computer World in their User World form. Saying that Jet Bradley didn't appear in User clothes is totally irrelevant due to Tron 2.0 being written out of continuity. And no tronprogram, they can't remove it because they already finished that scene, and removing it would entitle half of the film being removed (not to mention those sexy Sirens). ^ This.

I am already all for it. Its today's time. It's not 1982 anymore. The grid has changed!!! --- End of Line---

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Guys,

As everyone should pretty much know:
Flynn wasn't simply "digitalized" (he's not an image to scan, so to speak). He has been literally CONVERTED into a program... in the way he is now the program to RECOMPOSE the entity "Kevin Flynn" in the Real World. But his consciousness belongs to the Real World Kevin Flynn, so he's Kevin Flynn nonetheless, not just a program.

We can assume the glowing suits in TRON 1 and LEGACY are the "shells" of programs --- I think the suits have some functions embedded into their structure. I cannot think they are just "cool looking" clothes, that wouldn't make sense in the context of the COMPUTER WORLD.

I really am glad Kevin Flynn wasn't digitalized into the Tron world with his clothes on because that'd have made it into "not one of those cheesy 80's movies!"

Which was why I reacted negatively towards Sam and his clothes in the digital world.

The concept art for Tron made me a little jittery because it was one of those things that wouldn't have really translated well to the screen at that time without it coming out *too* cheesy. (And that is also why I'm glad Kevin Flynn became a programmer instead of a pizza delivery boy!)


Just think of it-- A pizza delivery boy gets zapped into a strange computer world. Doesn't that come off as a stereotypical cheesy 80's movie?


To be honest, I feel a little silly for worrying over Sam and his clothes when it's clear that Tron Legacy is serious business. (And, well, I don't want to deal with people going "ZOMG TRON LEGACY RIPPED OFF THE MATRIX!!" *headdesks*)

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Program BASIC Wrote:Guys, As everyone should pretty much know: Flynn wasn't simply "digitalized" (he's not an image to scan, so to speak). He has been literally CONVERTED into a program... in the way he is now the program to RECOMPOSE the entity "Kevin Flynn" in the Real World. But his consciousness belongs to the Real World Kevin Flynn, so he's Kevin Flynn nonetheless, not just a program.

I like this analogy. By this we can assume that the MCP digitized Kevin and converted him into a program, yet could not take away the powers he had as a user. Sam, on the other hand, was pulled into the computer and was not converted into a program, much like Kevin in Legacy.

Hopefully the comics and graphic novel will explain this in detail. Speaking of which, anyone know how much they're supposed to be and if they're available for preorder? I think I remember seeing something on that but can't find said information.

Hence the reason I said, "You may feel differently, and that's fine. Your entitled to your opinion."

Your statement, "But you know what? I'm still gonna love the movie." suggest that we are not going to enjoy it because of things we don't like, but you are. The statement was meant to dismiss our view. Kind of a "I know it's not perfect, but who cares."

We are all going to enjoy the movie. Just some of us have parts we wish were different. And just because we have those opinions, doesn't mean we are being cynical. You and a couple of others are exaggerating the views of those who state criticism of certain aspects of the film as being anal or cynical or whatever negative adjective you can think of. I haven't seen anyone so defensive of a film since the Star Wars Prequels came out.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I never thought that people stating criticism of parts of the film would lead to all of these hard feelings. It's just a film. A film people. It's OK to not like every part of the film. At any rate, I've made my opinion and have better things to do than get sucked into a needles argument. I've spent more time posting than I should have. I've got my own project to work on. And I've got a long ways to go.

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Darth Tronage Wrote:Hence the reason I said, "You may feel differently, and that's fine. Your entitled to your opinion." Your statement, "But you know what? I'm still gonna love the movie." suggest that we are not going to enjoy it because of things we don't like, but you are. The statement was meant to dismiss our view. Kind of a "I know it's not perfect, but who cares." We are all going to enjoy the movie. Just some of us have parts we wish were different. And just because we have those opinions, doesn't mean we are being cynical. You and a couple of others are exaggerating the views of those who state criticism of certain aspects of the film as being anal or cynical or whatever negative adjective you can think of. I haven't seen anyone so defensive of a film since the Star Wars Prequels came out. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I never thought that people stating criticism of parts of the film would lead to all of these hard feelings. It's just a film. A film people. It's OK to not like every part of the film. At any rate, I've made my opinion and have better things to do than get sucked into a needles argument. I've spent more time posting than I should have. I've got my own project to work on. And I've got a long ways to go. Sorry if there are any hard feelings. Wasn't what I was expecting when I first posted.

There are parts of it I find less than ideal too. Go back and read my post again.

What my post "suggests" is that I'm going to support this film. As much as yours "suggests" you have problems with it. Nothing more, nothing less. It seems that if anyone has hard feelings here, it is you. Neither KiaPurity nor ProgramBASIC reacted in this manner.

Have a nice day.

Excellent, super explanation from IMDB, by Kaijima:


"The producer of the film is the director of the original movie. The staff for Legacy has produced a complete timeline of the evolution of the electronic world ("The Grid") from 1982 to 2010 - including internal backstory documents and artist renditions of the look of the computer world changing.

This is all in their own words; you can find various interviews around the net.

I think everything we see on the screen in Legacy is 100% intentional. This is a detailed, thoughtful production. It's intended to be a sequel to Tron - a true sequel. They're going far out of their way to make it so, right down to CGI reconstructions of Jeff Bridges at the precise age Kevin Flynn would be in 1989, 7 years after his physical appearance in Tron.

Ironically, it's the fact that people are so cynical and not thoughtful that will cause many to glance casually at the look of Legacy and say "Whatever! It doesn't look exactly like Tron! What a stupid lazy movie! I bet nobody who worked on it even SAW the original film, Internet-LOL!"

When, in reality, everything in Legacy is derived logically from Tron, down to just about the tinnest detail.

As for the issue of Sam's clothing - as stated already this was addressed in the deleted, intended scene from the original movie. The circuits are one form of Program clothing. The fact that Tron's "skin" reacted to Yori's touch doesn't mean it's not a suit he can take off; the Programs are clearly linked to materials and devices assigned to them - a Program can control his disc mentally, summon his assigned vehicle's control rod by thinking about it, and so forth.

So, I think the general inference is that the suits and armor worn by a Program interact with their code and internal energies - they don't have to be glued on to their bodies to do it. When Yori changes her clothes in the deleted scene, her dress and gown also flow with her own energy pulse, even though they are not "circuit" garments.

Finally, about Sam's digitization, I would assume that yes, the whole idea is the Grid has advanced to the point where basic simulation of natural materials is standard. Sam appearing with his real world clothing simulated is probably just a function of the system itself having the ability to simulate the real world. The spoiler-ish footage from Comic-Con suggests that the former circuit and armor apparel from Tron is /now/ being used as a system of control. Given the premise that Kevin Flynn made this new Grid to be a peaceful place, I think it's likely that in his upgraded electronic reality, Flynn allowed Programs to freely choose how they appear and the new regime is returning things to an older, MCP-like standard of conformity and oppression. You can see that some Programs, such as the Grid Games master of ceremony and the armor outfitters don't naturally wear armor.

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I would think it would have been the opposite with the matrix. They ripped off kind of the tron thing there. But I think there was one scene where there was two ladies dressed up in Tron that were data pushers that had a full set of hair in there so it was not only in the delete scene. There was both of them that had both. And not to be embarassed about it. We`re all human. Remember the murphy`s law. To error is human to really foul up requires a computer. So all is forgiven Kia.

I didn`t even think twice about that one with jet in the game itself. I may of considered it would have been something to distingish him from the regular programs as a user or from another system outside of the encom computer system.

KiaPurity Wrote:That may be correct, but I did state my concerns; 1) too cheesy 2) dumb people claiming that it's ripping off Matrix (lol WHAT, no you.) But that comment is right-- WE DID FORGET ABOUT THE REMOVED SCENE! I feel dumb now. *embarrassed* But there was similiar wankery back in the time of Tron 2.0 people were complaining about Jet having hair but I was actually quite okay with that. (And of course, the siren in Tron and the deleted scene were proof that programs could waltz around with hair, but it seemed to be uncommon at that point.) So now I feel *a lot* better (and a little silly for having forgotten the removed scene.)

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