Program BASIC
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Posts: 148 | How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Monday, July, 12, 2010 6:16 AM
That's the only point of the first movie I find hard to digest.
For instance: if I'm using a program like MICROSOFT OFFICE PICTURE MANAGER or PAINT, how can the humanoid programs work on some pictures if those pictures don't literally "materialize" in the Cyberspace?
Generally speaking, how do they work on data? Via Identity Disc?
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Monday, July, 12, 2010 8:39 AM
Here's my theory.
The Programs in the Tron cyberspace universe are sort of semi-self aware "operator agents."
They process data, caculate, formulate it and use Input/Ouput Nodes and Towers to send and recieve new data to formulate and process.
Whatever purpose or task they are written for they do that task or purpose.
A MS Paint program could probably be a low level program with minimal level of "self awareness" I think.
It would process the raw data of an image file and utilize it's drivers and follow it's routines and command lines.
It would constantly be using an I/O node to process new data that it recieves from the User and then re-transmits to his users terminal which displays the image or text file.
Would it be "humanoind", maybe, maybe not. It may be like a Bit or Byte in the cyberspace realm, but it could be "humanoid" too.
It would see the image data as code but not as the actual image the User sees per se.
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Imbroglio
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Posts: 416 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Monday, July, 12, 2010 3:04 PM
Back in the early 80s most programs like the ones in the movie, were written by a single programmer to do a simple task. No flashy graphics just data and text output.
On the flipside the MCP is an example of what a current ms progam would probably look like. Multiple programmers, millions of lines of code, and multi-tasking so the program wouldn't appear as the "spirit" of a user.
Anyway this is too much superstitious and hysterical belief talk.
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Histrion
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Posts: 137 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Monday, July, 12, 2010 3:36 PM
| Imbroglio Wrote:Anyway this is too much superstitious and hysterical belief talk. |
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Posts: 148 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Monday, July, 12, 2010 4:20 PM
MMMMMMMMmmmm... what if the programs process the data inside theirselves (sort of metabolism), without much understanding about it?
Sort of "self-aware" work.
They then transmit the processed data (on the Identity Disc) via the I/O Tower(s).
If I use PAINT, the humanoid PAINT program just has a flow of data running inside himself (an invisible process), and then he "communicates" the final product (on Identity Disc) via the I/O Tower.
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Monday, July, 12, 2010 4:33 PM
I think that the functions of a Program entity are partly internal and partly external.
Think of a 3-D model rendering program, which is sort of a collection of programs with drivers all working in tandum; for example the Programs that worked in tandum in the scene in the film in which they created a 3-D model or "simulation"; the Solar Sailer...
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Posts: 148 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Tuesday, July, 13, 2010 8:07 AM
Even better tha that:
I agree with you, PART INTERNAL and PART EXTERNAL data elaboration.
Not only, but it's about data. If we Users are working on some videos or images, they are automatically translated as DATA on the Identity Disc. The Program working on them just doesn't know how the data will look like for the Users. Got it?
It's about data. They don't know anything about our civilization --- pics, videos, songs, MP3, whatever. It's about DATA in their mathematical form, the purest one. order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill
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Posts: 148 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Tuesday, July, 13, 2010 8:08 AM
Shadow:
FUNNY I was reading your first reply, and yes, we're on the same page and saying the same thing with different words.
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Tuesday, July, 13, 2010 6:49 PM
That's cool.
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jtr7
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Posts: 71 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Tuesday, July, 13, 2010 7:32 PM
Yeah, what was missing, and made it easily confusing, is that the programs were not lined up outside the I/O Towers, receiving instructions and returning results when done. Also, as we know, the words we type--the language--have to be translated back into the binary mathematics, and the user interfaces--the images and words we see, have been translated for us to work with on our side of the screen. What we see is only a representation of the binary pathways, likewise in the virtual universe. A program wouldn't need to see the image, but the math that gets translated beyond the Tower's communication beam--up in heaven where the Users are, heh heh.
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Tuesday, July, 13, 2010 10:53 PM
The MCP pretty much seemed to have all I/O Towers and I/O Nodes on "lock down" (i.e. forbidden to be used by Programs that were not authorized to use it), and in use by the MCP, and the few of MCP elite red Programs to use (Dumont: "they keep me around, in case one of THEM wants to deal with the Otherside..."),
and overall had all Programs in the Encom system, serving him at his command and those Programs were not being used by their original Users per se.
Those that defied th MCP's authority were derezed, and those that he thought were "useless" to him were sent to fight to the death on the Game Grid....
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tecknoshaman
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Posts: 39 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Tuesday, July, 13, 2010 11:55 PM
Thought about this myself and wondered could any programs have any unique abilities that could have been programed or evolved that separates them? Like Could a hacker program like Clu have a unique ability to him search and steal data?
We know Users that have been shown to have powers but can regular programs gain any?
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Compucore
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Posts: 4,450 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Wednesday, July, 14, 2010 12:04 AM
Not unless they have been updated in some form and recompiled to do so. I know when I was learning how to program in what ever language at the time. We learn how to create it from source which is an Enlgish like language or human like language depending where you live and what language you speak. (I.S. Englsih, French, Spanish, German, Russian, etc, etc.) Then compiles it into an actual executable hence our mirror image in the computer world. Any updated to the original source that created that program will reflect the new version and new abilities when updated.
tecknoshaman Wrote:Thought about this myself and wondered could any programs have any unique abilities that could have been programed or evolved that separates them? Like Could a hacker program like Clu have a unique ability to him search and steal data?
We know Users that have been shown to have powers but can regular programs gain any? |
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Posts: 1,642 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Wednesday, July, 14, 2010 12:53 AM
tecknoshaman Wrote:Thought about this myself and wondered could any programs have any unique abilities that could have been programed or evolved that separates them? Like Could a hacker program like Clu have a unique ability to him search and steal data?
We know Users that have been shown to have powers but can regular programs gain any? |
I think the ISOs in Tron Legacy have unique powers that can't be duplicated. I would say yes to that question.
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Posts: 148 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Wednesday, July, 14, 2010 5:08 AM
| jtr7 Wrote:Yeah, what was missing, and made it easily confusing, is that the programs were not lined up outside the I/O Towers, receiving instructions and returning results when done. Also, as we know, the words we type--the language--have to be translated back into the binary mathematics, and the user interfaces--the images and words we see, have been translated for us to work with on our side of the screen. What we see is only a representation of the binary pathways, likewise in the virtual universe. A program wouldn't need to see the image, but the math that gets translated beyond the Tower's communication beam--up in heaven where the Users are, heh heh. |
Yeah, that was my point !!!!!!! Since English isn't my mother language, I had troubles to express all that properly. Thank you so much.
I LOVE THE TRON UNIVERSE SO MUCH!
Anyway, Dumont was a very special program and he had unique abilities, so I guess there are programs with some sort of "powers".
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Wednesday, July, 14, 2010 5:59 AM
Actually time flows relatively faster.
Joseph Kosinski has implied that while 20 yrs has passed in "the real world", about 1000-2000 yrs have passed in the cyber space realm. To Kevin Flynn, he's been trapped inside for a very, very *long time.*
While in the orignal film it seems to take place across a couple "cyber space days", maybe up to 2 to 3 "cyber days"...in "cyber-time", but in the "real world" only a
few hrs have passed...
say Flynn sat down at the computer around
3 am; "working late"... gets digitized... then rematerializes 3 hrs later at 6 am; in which Dillinger shows up in his office early at 6 am to see the message on his touch screen desk....
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Posts: 597 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Wednesday, July, 14, 2010 6:32 AM
Compucore Wrote:Enlgish…
Englsih… |
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Posts: 148 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Wednesday, July, 14, 2010 10:09 AM
What about a VIRUS?
How does he damage the system?
I think TRON LEGACY will non explore the Internet world. Or so I think.
Also:
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Wednesday, July, 14, 2010 1:23 PM
1) Play PC game "Tron 2.0" it had a really good depiction of what corruption/infection and damage by a virus entity would look like.. and is re-interated again in the new "Tron Evolution" videogame coming out before the end of this year.
2) Tron Legacy cyberspace world takes place on an isolated server-computer (as part of Flynn's secret "experiment"), and does not deal with the Internet. Joseph Kosinski, Lisberger and Sean Bailey have said this numerous time already.
3) I think every Program inately knows his or her user's (creator's) name.
Tron had just drunk alot of "liquid energy", it enhanced his memory enough so that he remembered the designation name of his creator "Alan One".
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Posts: 148 | Re: How do programs work in the TRON UNIVERSE?
on Thursday, July, 15, 2010 8:23 AM
What if the "icons" on our desktop are the I/O Towers? After all, we communicate with our programs via icons.
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