We all know how many tens of thousands of man hours went into the making of the original Tron. Aside from the story, which was flat, the movie is a work of beauty, and most likely the best thing Disney has ever put out, even though they really had little to do with the movie's production.

Everyone and their grandmother is all hyped up for Tron 2 because of the trailer. Yes, the trailer looks good, but it gives a new glimpse at this new Tron world, and I don't like it.

The director is a commercial director, and that's fine, but his 'vision' isn't an updated, or even hyper-styled version of Tron in 2010; it's the freakin' Matrix, and not the good Matrix either, the crappy sequels.

There are SIX writers on board, two of them are the d-bag head writers for "Lost," who just told all of their fans, "too bad f-u, we're not explaining everything." When a movie has more than two writers, it's almost always a bad sign.

The design of the World of Tron is unnecessarily dark and dreary. It should be the direct opposite. The costume designs are absolutely horrid. Rubber "Matrix" suits and leather do NOT belong in the world of Tron.

What is really sad, is that the director/writers have the ability to do ANYTHING, but they don't have the vision to update Tron to 2010.

What's even more depressing is that just about everyone involved in this production are "Gen Xers" and someone should have stepped up and said "whooa!, that's not right, that doesn't fit!" But, apparently, everyone involved with the movie (with the exception of Daft Punk) appears to be just casual fans of the game and movie.

The problem with what they've shown so far, it looks good in extremely quick cuts, but once you actually look at what we're dealing with, you realize how lame the movie most likely is going to be.

"Villains"

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"2001 or Tron2?"

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"Matrix 4 or Tron2 ?"

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"Edgar Winter? Or let me guess, Tron2 is going to have Digital Vampires."

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"Awesome, there's 'smoke' in Tron 2's world...not!"

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I have to agree with most of what your saying, sevenout. The overall look is horrible and has always looked something OTHER than TRON since the original "Teaser Trailer"

But it's too late. They want to appeal to a wider, younger audience. Thus, they are most likely going to ruin our precious TRON franchise.

Apparently Mr. Sevenout has worked in the industry for 9++ years and knows what it takes to create the perfect story, VFX, and art direction.

Please elaborate for me on your processes. I could use some pointers for my own work.

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sevenout Wrote: What is really sad

What is really sad, is how you critique a movie with 99% reaction and everyone watching has said stuff like this without sounding like a complete assface since the first trailer came out, and we basically know squat about how good this movie really is.

Sure, we all watched the Matrix trilogy, and know cool white CGI suits mean "matrix", why if they used disks in the matrix, all hell would break loose. No really, nobody cares, because what the f are you gonna wear digitized in a computer? deal w/ it.

Seriously, plz polish up the posts so that ppl can enjoy the forum.

sevenout Wrote:We all know how many tens of thousands of man hours went into the making of the original Tron. Aside from the story, which was flat, the movie is a work of beauty, and most likely the best thing Disney has ever put out, even though they really had little to do with the movie's production. Everyone and their grandmother is all hyped up for Tron 2 because of the trailer. Yes, the trailer looks good, but it gives a new glimpse at this new Tron world, and I don't like it. The director is a commercial director, and that's fine, but his 'vision' isn't an updated, or even hyper-styled version of Tron in 2010; it's the freakin' Matrix, and not the good Matrix either, the crappy sequels. There are SIX writers on board, two of them are the d-bag head writers for "Lost," who just told all of their fans, "too bad f-u, we're not explaining everything." When a movie has more than two writers, it's almost always a bad sign. The design of the World of Tron is unnecessarily dark and dreary. It should be the direct opposite. The costume designs are absolutely horrid. Rubber "Matrix" suits and leather do NOT belong in the world of Tron. What is really sad, is that the director/writers have the ability to do ANYTHING, but they don't have the vision to update Tron to 2010. What's even more depressing is that just about everyone involved in this production are "Gen Xers" and someone should have stepped up and said "whooa!, that's not right, that doesn't fit!" But, apparently, everyone involved with the movie (with the exception of Daft Punk) appears to be just casual fans of the game and movie. The problem with what they've shown so far, it looks good in extremely quick cuts, but once you actually look at what we're dealing with, you realize how lame the movie most likely is going to be. "Villains" http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4420094689_f31905bb38_b.jpg "2001 or Tron2?" http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4420863418_040ba91a96_b.jpg "Matrix 4 or Tron2 ?" http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2727/4420099747_72f964ce1d_b.jpg "Edgar Winter? Or let me guess, Tron2 is going to have Digital Vampires." http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4420869812_1d606ceef1_b.jpg "Awesome, there's 'smoke' in Tron 2's world...not!" http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2714/4420871320_9865c8078e_b.jpg

First, as promised, I'll say the trailer looks cool.

Secondly, I can see many points, but I'm still skeptical, due to the following:
*The "LOST" writers?????Not happy about that
*The minimal circuitry - I like the old look better (Traahn's photoshopped pic was genius)
*Why does the light runner NOT have a jetwall?
*Why does FLYNN'S look like it swallowed a warehouse??
(In the original film, it was built like a tower)
-Is that even architecturally possible???
*Thunder and Lightning - inside the ENCOM computer?????
*Was the computer world stuff shot in color or B&W???
(One of the iconic things about TRON is it was shot in
B&W and then there was rotoscoping; yeah, I know,
Kosinski didn't want to rotoscope, but still. . .)
*The Recognizer - aren't those supposed to be watchdogs???? I mean, looks like it's being guided to a landing like those guys at Airports with the popsicle-looking things that guide planes in as they land
*The Identity Discs - why do they look like rings???
*No 90-degree turns on the game grid - yeah, I know this is 20+ years later, but for me, the 90-degree turn thing adds more suspense to the light cycle race
*The Michael Sheen character - LOL!!! He DOES look like someone out of "Interview With A Vampire", or "Twilight" ROFL!!!!
*The nightclub - yes, I know there was the Progress Bar in Tron 2.0, and while that is a cool concept for a videogame, I'm not sure how well that'll translate to film. . .

Thirdly, there are some things I do like in the trailer:
*The scene with CLU 2.0 and the villians - looks like they're storming Kevin Flynn's hideout and are about to lay the smackdown on Flynn. Hmmm. . . . .CLU 2.0 looks EVIL
*The coliseum-type arenas - I can see that as a logical progression as I have written a fanfic with that type of thing in it
*The light-cycle speeding off towards the city - I'm glad they have some that look like the old ones (was that Kevin Flynn riding it???)
*The Recognizer - looks cool;
*The disc battle - looks MASSIVE; can't wait to see that on-screen;
*The New light cycles - look cool: they're even closer to what Syd Mead had originally designed for the first film;
*The classic TRON arcade cabinet - brings back memories of all the many quarters I plunked into a TRON game back in the 80s

Now I may be jumping to premature conclusions with some of my points, but I just hope that the end product was worth the 28-year wait, in the end - and as far as that quote by Lisberger about Kosinski, I'll say this: no disrespect, but when John Carpenter produced that 2005 remake of one of his classics, "The Fog", I think he could have done MUCH better. We'll see come 12/17/10.


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The only part that pisses me off is the costumes. I still think they suck. The latest trailer hasn't done anything to change my mind about that.

Traahn showed how with additional circuit details, the costumes could look far more interesting than they currently do. As it stands, they look dull and generic. There's almost no differentiation between programs like there was in the original film. Many of the costumes appear almost exactly the same.

But aside from that, I've been able to take the rest of the changes in stride and remain optimistic about the sequel.

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CaptainCR Wrote:and no offense ut are ppl really still complainign about the ciruitry? really? when are ppl going to get over that?

Definitely. To me circuitry implies hardware. The characters in TL are called "programs". They are Software not Hardware. Though with that logic we should see circuitry lines on the walls, buildings, etc in the computer world.

CaptainCR Wrote:are ppl really still complainign about the ciruitry? really? when are ppl going to get over that?

When are you going to understand, that perhaps to "us" characters in Tron Legacy walking around like someone just paintrolled your Tron stripe is like being spit on.

Have you ever played Tron 2.0? Nearly everyone here has for years, since it came out, and to leap into a outfit like that in Tron 2.0 is not cool IMO. You'd look like a retard in that game, as imperfect as it is, the suits look better.

Nobody said The Matrix doesn't look like Tron and vice versa, we already got that the skin tight digital warriors have this same look to them.

Someone could have made an effort not to make everything look like skin tight leather, and take time doing something magnificent.

I'm still holding out that dispite the look it's cool... but it keeps coming up, and I'm just saying it's old news.

No, what bugs me is posting all the new pictures and ranting about everything little thing like it's something we missed because we're all zombies or something.

Atleast do a side by side with The Matrix photo or something, instead of "pouring gas" on it.

I think the team making TL deserves better from Tron fans, we share the same opinion, but this is old news, and I'm really excited to see the excelent work being done so far.

Jadem.. please read my last post. *sigh*

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Ok.. now..






Sorry I really don't see the resemblance.

In The Matrix they had machine guns, helicopters, real world type motorcyles, PANTS, 3 & 4 piece business suits, leather TRENCH COATS or formal jackets, and everyone wore black sun glasses,

there are NO discs NO glowing and pulsating trace lines, no body suit armor,
everything had a subtle green color filter on it (in the REAL world things had a faint bluish filter over all those scenes)

in the "Real World" it was greyish, old metal industrial iron works look, people in dirty grey and dirty white clothes (shirts and loose pants) like prisoners on some forgotten island.

The new body armor suits look more like they are inspired by/based a lot of Syd Mead's conceptual costume designs from the original Tron. I would post images of them to show you what I mean, but I can't find any scans of them online from the old "Art of Tron" book...

If one looks very closely at the trailer, one will see the suits are *not* plain, they have alot of detail, the have cut-in grove lines, hexigonal mesh pattern in between the armor segments, and some characters have unique circuit trace lines .

All good things IMO.

At least they don't look like shiney pleather treach coats, or plain business suits with just a single glowing badge or a one glowing line around each wrist.

I am glad their suits don't look like a knock off of generic psudeo-Halo armor or like the armor of the grunts in Gears of War which I think look aweful, and glad they don't look like a mish mash of metal peices and exposed wires and servos lik M. Bay's Transformers.

Now some apprehension is fine, but some of the complaints I'm just not really getting.

This movie is *not* being made by Uwe Boll or Micheal Bay or some 5th rate company that made "House of the Dead" the movie, or some other really weak movie based on a videogame...

It seems like some people (not refering to any specific persons) are treating Tron Legacy like Uwe Boll himself is making this movie and it's outfits...