CaptainCR
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Posts: 1,468 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Sunday, March, 14, 2010 6:49 PM
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Sunday, March, 14, 2010 8:14 PM
The Virus Program in Tron:Evolution is yellow-green, "Clu 2.0" is neon yellow.
Not the same hues of colors dude.
look:
Virus Program
Clu "2.0" in yellow in the center:
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psilcosyn
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Posts: 0 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Monday, March, 15, 2010 4:22 AM
Just a possible sub/side plot possibility.
I saw in the Cheat Sheet that the character Sobel is quoted as being Sam Flynn's best friend. If you look at the shot in the trailer where the programs are being lifted into the Disc Game Arena, the green-ish program to Sam Flynn's left possibly appears to be Sobel (Brandon Jay McLaren)
If so, there may be a possibility that the two friends may face each other in a fight to the death.
Just a thought. (And sorry if someone has already made this point and I've missed it)
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Jademz
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Posts: 0 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Monday, March, 15, 2010 11:52 PM
Not sure if plot holes have been brought into this...
SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read:Flynn told Alan from the trailer "keep your pager on" This leads me to believe that this secret server may never have been fully offline, only secret.
Either it's capable of using services via UWB, or a hardline, or it isn't.. (lookout! purist in the building) Let's just make believe....
My thinking is if the scenario was that Alan acted alone, and wasn't paged from Flynn's server, he could be up to something evil (not evident in the trailer, thus I doubt this).
If Alan got this message from Flynn, is it a plot hole?
Nobody notices an offline out of touch highly evolved system makes phone calls? If you can use the services needed to call, you then wouldn't be out of touch as we're being told... So is could this "IO tower" where the last standoff may soon be happening? in this IO device used to talk to the outside?
If Flynn was funneling money out of Encom via his secret server, he's been capable of making arrangements to travel throughout the world in either a network hardwired only to his system or possibly through other networking options. (Explains sightings?) We're told this isn't the case, I see several missing peices.
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Overmind
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Posts: 278 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Tuesday, March, 16, 2010 12:06 AM
Jademz Wrote:Not sure if plot holes have been brought into this...
SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read:
Flynn told Alan from the trailer "keep your pager on" This leads me to believe that this secret server may never have been fully offline, only secret.
Either it's capable of using services via UWB, or a hardline, or it isn't.. (lookout! purist in the building) Let's just make believe....
My thinking is if the scenario was that Alan acted alone, and wasn't paged from Flynn's server, he could be up to something evil (not evident in the trailer, thus I doubt this).
If Alan got this message from Flynn, is it a plot hole?
Nobody notices an offline out of touch highly evolved system makes phone calls? If you can use the services needed to call, you then wouldn't be out of touch as we're being told... So is could this "IO tower" where the last standoff may soon be happening? in this IO device used to talk to the outside?
If Flynn was funneling money out of Encom via his secret server, he's been capable of making arrangements to travel throughout the world in either a network hardwired only to his system or possibly through other networking options. (Explains sightings?) We're told this isn't the case, I see several missing peices. |
Youre absolutely right. Some of us has said "It cant evolve offline!"
But..
SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read: Mybe that is the plot. Flynn is online. The route to the Internet goes through Flynn, that is why Clu keeps him as a prisoner
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Tuesday, March, 16, 2010 12:24 AM
I think Flynn jerry-rigged a make shift connection to a hardline/ phone line to call Alan's old pager.
Joe has said that the Encom computer (from 1989), and that the world within it is isolated for the most part, that Flynn set it up that way to allow that cyberspace world and the Programs or perhaps mainly "Clu 2.0" to "evolve" on it's own.
This has been clearly stated numerous times, I don't think it need any other over-thinking of things beyond that in my opinion.
But that's an interesting speculation though Overmind.
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Histrion
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Posts: 137 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Thursday, March, 18, 2010 10:35 PM
Sorry if someone already suggested this, but: maybe Clu2 is actually the one who contacted Alan, claiming to be Flynn.
  
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Overmind
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Posts: 278 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Friday, March, 19, 2010 12:36 PM
| Histrion Wrote:Sorry if someone already suggested this, but: maybe Clu2 is actually the one who contacted Alan, claiming to be Flynn. |
Nope. Imposible. The system and all programs are offline. Isolated. But I am speculating in that maybe Flynn is online somehow.
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Jademz
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Posts: 0 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Friday, March, 19, 2010 2:06 PM
Overmind Wrote:| Histrion Wrote:Sorry if someone already suggested this, but: maybe Clu2 is actually the one who contacted Alan, claiming to be Flynn. |
Nope. Imposible. The system and all programs are offline. Isolated. But I am speculating in that maybe Flynn is online somehow.
There must have been som online conection for him to make contact. |
lol..
When I said what I thought, it's in line with things I think out of curiosity, since I'm really not trying to predict anything.. maybe I was in the wrong thread... so I will say that I don't mind the fact that this particular server has been offline since the toppling of the MCP.
I only mentioned it could be a hole if there was no clear reasoning to be found. So, with that, I also want to believe as ShadowDragon mentioned, that the message was setup by Flynn, perhaps not instantaneously, maybe a key twist that was already set into motion was deliberately processed to deliver the messsage.
My motive in bringing this up was where the arrangement on screen is a visual clarification with regards to how ahead of it's time and beautifully written this movie is - even in the background environment.
lol...
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Friday, March, 19, 2010 5:34 PM
Flynn disappeared in sometime in 1989.
The internet, it sort of exsisted, but not as the "world wide web", mainly university servers and UseNet servers were accesseble with the right IP addresses and a modem all of which had to set up manually.
I'm not sure if there were any "public"/"mainstream" internet service providers in 1989.. I do know of Compuserv in the very early 90's...
My hypothosis is that Flynn set up a kind of "back door" a sort of jerry-rigged connection to a phone line so that could send a message to Alan's pager and only his pager;
but I'm think this may of been possible because this was done from WITHIN CyberSpace (*similar to how Alan in Tron 2.0 used an old game console to transmit a message to Jett) But it just took along time for Flynn to figure out how to open up a "back door" connection and send a call out...
Or Alan is lying about getting a message from Flynn on his pager! dun dun dun!
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digideus
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Posts: 84 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Friday, March, 19, 2010 6:08 PM
I was going to add my own comments and ideas, but writing them down, I realised there are far too many holes in what we collectively know to be the plot
Suffice to say, we can assume CLU goes bad for some reason. We can also assume Flynn asks for help and his son Sam unwittingly gets sucked in to the computer world.
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Friday, March, 19, 2010 6:36 PM
Kevin Flynn gave the pager to Alan in 1989 (before Kevin Flynn disappeared)
and told Alan to keep it with him everynight just in case he needed to contact him. (Or so Alan Bradley claims.)
Most people don't use a pager nowadays because of cell phones.
But cell phone tech back in 1989 wasn't as compact, and versatile as it is now.
They looked like big walkie-talkie radio hand sets. This the hand unit of one from 1989:
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Traahn
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Posts: 3,301 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Friday, March, 19, 2010 7:00 PM
I used to use Q-Link (Quantum Link) on my Commodore 64 in the mid-1980s using my very fast 300 baud modem (lol)
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It was not like the WWW today, but I remember downloading C64 music files, and music for a program that would make piano keys light up on your screen, and there was online chat, too. I remember BBS (bulletin board services) numbers that you could go to were listed in computer publications. I never really understood BBSs...
Pretty interesting. If that Wiki is true, it's where AOL started. Huh, I never knew that!
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Friday, March, 19, 2010 7:07 PM
My uncle owned a Commador 64, but no modem , so no connection to Q-Link.
My father way back then had an Apple II.
I didn't have internet access until 1993 via a Machintosh desktop computer (I forget it's actual name)
I don't really see a plot hole though like Jadem thinks there might be.
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(that's assuming Alan didn't make up that whole story about getting a call from the arcade on his old pager that "flynn gave him")
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Traahn
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on Friday, March, 19, 2010 7:14 PM
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HooDooMan
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Posts: 585 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Friday, March, 19, 2010 9:18 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:
It makes sense to me that Flynn would have an isolated, secret "backdoor" emergency hardline set up to contact Alan's pager that Flynn gave him
(that's assuming Alan didn't make up that whole story about getting a call from the arcade on his old pager that "flynn gave him")
IF Alan's telling the truth, then one can extrapolate that it just took Flynn a looong while to get access to and use that emergency hardline.
(Clu 2.0 or another obstacle may have prevented access to that emergency "backdoor" hard line...) |
I agree. Remember the time dilation effect too. Kosinski stated that time scales about 50 times faster in the computer than in the real world, so 20 years translates to about 1000 years! So if Flynn searched for a way to access the hardline, he had to search for a VERY long time! Plus, as you stated, if Clu thwarted Flynn's efforts, that would take even LONGER! Wow...now THAT's patience!
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Friday, March, 19, 2010 9:24 PM
I'll poop bricks if Flynn says to Clu 2.0 in the movie:
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Overmind
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Posts: 278 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Saturday, March, 20, 2010 7:16 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:I'll poop bricks if Flynn says to Clu 2.0 in the movie:
"yeah, I'm old... old enough to remember when the first Clu was a 2-bit data retrieval program! You started small and you'll end small! " |
That would be epic 
And I would laugh, loud, all by my self in the theatre.
The rest of the audiense would sit there, silent, and understand shit
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Posts: 394 | Re: T:L Plot Predictions
on Saturday, March, 20, 2010 11:03 AM
| HooDooMan Wrote:[BR]... Kosinski stated that time scales about 50 times faster in the computer than in the real world, so 20 years translates to about 1000 years! ... |
This is correct ONLY if you take into account nowadays computer processing power. It's obvious Kosinski's using this as a plot device for the story he wants to tell... In the original TRON, time inside the digital world did NOT scale like 50 times faster... It all happened almost in real time...
People tend to think that Kevin Flynn was gone for a second there between the MCP digitizing him and until he got undigitized (although hours had seemed to pass in the electronic world)... They're WRONG. He was in there at least 6 hours!!! Lemme tell you that CPU cycles in an early 80's computer were... well, quite 'slow' by today's standards, of course...
If someone here disagrees with me, all you have to do is see TRON once again and pay attention to the elapsed time between Flynn, Alan and Lora at FLYNN'S, then arriving to the lab at night (before that, Alan goes to the test lab to meet Lora and before that, in Alan's computer we see it's 18:32:21 P.M. already) and the time in Kevin Flynn's printout (which says 6:00 hours the next morning, of course... the time Mr. Dillinger's arrives at his office before dawn).
You need to check out the COMPLETELY UNOFFICIAL TRON TIMELINE!
Meanwhile in the real world... the controller feeds the shift clock to the VRAM's video port. Each shift clock pulse causes the VRAM to deliver the next datum, in strict address order, from the shift-register to the video port... Next frame-buffer data: Who created users?
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on Saturday, March, 20, 2010 11:13 AM
VRAM Wrote:| HooDooMan Wrote:[BR]... Kosinski stated that time scales about 50 times faster in the computer than in the real world, so 20 years translates to about 1000 years! ... |
This is correct ONLY if you take into account nowadays computer processing power. It's obvious Kosinski's using this as a plot device for the story he wants to tell... In the original TRON, time inside the digital world did NOT scale like 50 times faster... It all happened almost in real time...
People tend to think that Kevin Flynn was gone for a second there between the MCP digitizing him and until he got undigitized (although hours had seemed to pass in the electronic world)... They're WRONG. He was in there at least 6 hours!!! Lemme tell you that CPU cycles in an early 80's computer were... well, quite 'slow' by today's standards, of course...
If someone here disagrees with me, all you have to do is see TRON once again and pay attention to the elapsed time between Flynn, Alan and Lora at FLYNN'S, then arriving to the lab at night (before that, Alan goes to the test lab to meet Lora and before that, in Alan's computer we see it's 18:32:21 P.M. already) and the time in Kevin Flynn's printout (which says 6:00 hours the next morning, of course... the time Mr. Dillinger's arrives at his office before dawn). |
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