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TheReelTodd
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on Saturday, August, 11, 2007 7:50 PM
I REALLY hate making a post like this, but I've been up and down the internet and can't seen to find the answers. Any insight would be much appreciated.

I've been setting up my new computer - it's a 3 year old hand-me-down, but has much faster components than my 6 year old computer.

It's a Dell Dimension 4700.

I've installed a fresh OS (Windows XP w/SP2) on a brand spanking new hard drive, the necessary Dell drivers (because Windows update cannot identify some of the components itself), and a few other apps, but not many.

I did update the computer's BIOS, but that had no affect on anything (at least not on these issues).

I also have the latest Windows updates, etc. installed.


Problems:

1) EVERY time I reboot, my desktop theme reverts back to the XP theme (which I hate). I have to keep changing it back to a modified Windows Classic theme manually (actually, I have a saved theme I do this with). I've read literally dozens of internet advice postings people have given on this, and nothing seems to work (of the things that seem even remotely applicable in their advice).

2) There's an odd delay when I click on certain items - it's about 1.5 seconds long. I keep a notepad shortcut in my quick launch bar - when I click it, I get the mouse/hourglass combo cursor with an initial HD noise when I click, then a pause for about 1-2 seconds with no HD activity, then it opens notepad. The same for any other minor application. Notepad opens almost instantly on my old, crappy slow computer and on my computers at work. This delay also exists when clicking on buttons in some applications. Clicking on my Explorer icon has the pause. Pressing Winkey+e opens Explorer instantly. Very odd.

All hardware is working properly according to my device manager.

I did install CA Internet Security, the same software I was running on my old PC (newer version). I can't remember for the life of me if this problem existed before installing it, but even when I completely disable the application, I get the pause. CA Internet Security caused no application launching pauses or button pauses on my old computer.

Very little software has been installed, certainly nothing that should cause this. I refuse to install anything else until I figure out what the deal is because I'm on the verge of breaking down, reformatting, and starting the whole damn process over again. I am not one of those who enjoys installing Windows and then spending hours configuring things until they all work right. And things never automatically work right after a fresh install (not on any PC I've owned anyway).


General Specs:
* Pentium 4 CPU, 3.2 GHz
* 512 MB RAM (forget what kind, but it came with the box when purchased from Dell)
* 320 GB Seagate SATA HD, 7200 RPM, blah, blah, blah


If more information from me might be useful, let me know.

BTW - I've been ALL over this thread, and couldn't find anything helpful for my problem, but others may find interesting advice (along with idiot posts) there:

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-10149_102-0.html?forumID=7&threadID=178764&messageID=1962539
Thanks in advance.






 
Compucore
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on Saturday, August, 11, 2007 9:00 PM
Reeltodd is there anything else that has a question mark in the device manager is there any drivers that were missing from it that could cause it to go this way. I had read up on link you had provide. But that was related to hooking up a external projector to that particular model. and the OS on that machine reverted certain things down in order to function with it. I doubt this is the case with your dell computer. Need all the information that could help out as best as you can. It might be something or a benign driver that decided to hiccup on you there when you made the modifications to your windows XP.


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Jademz
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on Saturday, August, 11, 2007 11:14 PM
Hey Todd, I don't have answers, but maybe part of the solution. When I have issues I can't figure out, I look into windows itsself. I've recommended a tool I found that shows the activity of files windows XP, and Vista, called filemonitor.

Here's the link to Microsoft TechNet: Systernals. It's full of great resources for ppl who are trying to find/fix bugs in windows.

Filemonitor:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/FileAndDisk/Filemon.mspx
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MutoidMan
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on Saturday, August, 11, 2007 11:48 PM
Really wierd problem you're experiencing, Todd. I've installed different flavors of Windows XP on a brand new or wiped HDD at least a dozen times and have never run into that particular issue.

I'm thinking that you should just reformat and reinstall. See how quickly programs open after the initial install and before you install any Dell drivers, Microsoft updates, or third-party software. If programs are opening correctly, make sure you use System Restore to set a restore point. Then install the Dell drivers one at a time and test how your programs are opening. Reboot after the initial install, and after each driver install. Set a restore point after each successful driver install. Then go to Microsoft's site and run Microsoft Update to get the applicable updates.

Bottom line, I think you're going to have to take this install step-by-step in order to figure out what your problem may be, or maybe even avoid it altogether.where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

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Qix77
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 4:44 AM
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laphtiya
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 5:16 AM
Okay I've used Dell pcs often when I was still working at Railsafe.

Dells are twitchy at best never mind when you've installed a new copy of XP onto it. Okay first off Windows XP needs a minimum of 512 MB RAM so maybe thats where your delay comes from. As for the Dell Drivers well what hardware do you need to get Dell software for? Because if you can get a different software maybe that will clear up alot of the issues you are having.

Windows and Dell dont always see eye to eye. Even when you have a brand new Dell machine and you update the Dell drivers windows will all of a sudden take a hissy fit over the new updated Dell Drivers.

I think Dell does this so you spend hours on their tech support line. As for your changing desktop it sounds like XP is having a problem saving your user settings. Out of curiosity try making a new user account and change your theme settings on that new one to see if it works okay. If it does then we know just to delete the old user account and set up a new admin log in. If it doesnt then it will be one of two things.

1) Windows needs a fresh install
2) Dell Drivers conflicting with Windows.

Let us know how it goes.


 
KiaPurity
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 11:13 AM
You know, it sounds like there may be programs floating around that needs to be cleaned off of that machine.

try these programs:

Crap Cleaner

Ad-aware

Spybot Search & Destroy


I am afraid that you may have trojans floating around on the computer since it *is* a hand-me down... it's likely there is something in there that's screwing with the bootup/opening programs.

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laphtiya
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 12:48 PM
Yeah sounds about right. You could use my method. completely erase the hard drive partition and format a new one. That way your 100% sure that any old data including trojans will be completely erased.


 
Jademz
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 1:14 PM
I'd like to add, viruses have been known to create a seperate sector in the HD, and come back to haunt people. (from what I hear) And it seems to be more prevalent nowadays. I'd make sure you use the software from the HD manufacturers website, and write 0's and 1's to the entire drive.

I did hear of this problem, but it was only in 98 and ME, this happened to me quite frequently.


 
TheReelTodd
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 1:41 PM
Thanks for the advice, everyone!

I really appreciate your taking the time to chime in.

I just tried out Filemonitor as Jademz suggested. I can't say it shed any light on how to correct anything, but I was absolutely amazed at how many things were taking place JUST to open up notepad! Literally dozens (hundreds?) of things were logged just opening up notepad - from shell requests, to explorer, some dll files, several virus monitoring items, and then several notepad entries. That might explain the odd delay. Honestly, I'm not smart enough to sift through all that and make much sense of it though. If something is going wrong in there, I can't tell what... other than the fact that there's a zillion things going on just to open up one of the simplest executables there is. And my computers at work do the same thing pretty much instantaneously.

I doubt I have any viruses or spyware running on my PC. I just installed XP about a week and a half ago and haven't done much with it (like turn it on) until just a few days ago. No web surfing until after installing CA internet Security or anything. I have run full system scans for viruses and spyware and everything checks out clean. Of course it is always possible to have something that is not detectable yet.

I'm going to tinker a little bit more and then probably break down and just reformat and reinstall from scratch as MutoidMan suggested. I just really don't enjoy the process, even though I haven't gotten much going on this machine yet. I know that in the end, it is really the only way to monitor the progress of functionality and speed following each installation of whatever along the way. This time, I'm going to make a new restore point EVERY time I add something.

I'll let you all know how things worked out soon. If you don't hear back from me for a while - you'll know I'm busy working on this crap. So much to do, but never enough time.

When will technology and programming solutions reach the point where everything just works, or at least indicate why things aren't working properly? Probably about the time we're all beaming places instead of driving or using a pogo stick.





 
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 2:59 PM


Jademz Wrote:I've recommended a tool I found that shows the activity of files windows XP, and Vista, called filemonitor.
Instead of Filemonitor, I'd recommend Processmonitor.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/processmonitor.mspx
It combines a couple of previously separate programs into one. Processmon allows you to not only see what files are in use, but also what processes (programs) are active and what registry entries are currently in use.

That way, every time you click on an icon to open a window, you can watch what's going on in Processmon and see if any process causes your CPU to spike because it's doing something stupid. The built-in Windows Task Manager can also show you CPU usage, but Processmon gives you more detailed info.


EDIT: Crap, I really meant Process Explorer but Processmon is useful too.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/ProcessExplorer.mspx

As for the desktop theme resetting every time you reboot . . . that is extremely weird. Right now, I don't really have any idea as to why that's happening. But again, maybe Process Explorer can give you a clue by showing you EVERYTHING that's running.

You could also try AutoRuns, again by the Sysinternals people at Microsoft. I guess you could almost call the SysInternals stuff the new "Power Toys" for Windows.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/Autoruns.mspx

AutoRuns will help you to find and disable unnecessary crap starting up on Windows boot. But I think Process Explorer will be more useful in diagnosing your problems. Hopefully.



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Compucore
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 3:18 PM
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 5:01 PM
FYI, if you want to test your firewall, or whatnot, here's a site that makes understanding the threats easier and usefull. http//www.testmyfirewall.com
another great site I was reading today, http://www.grc.com/default.htm This site has some great resources to figure out how to prevent problems, and more.

Also, I've taken Mr. Anderson's advice, and recommended a firewall to several people that he recommended called Outpost. free 40 day trial, full version.

Although I pass every test with flying colors, using peerguardian 2, and windows firewall, it's not for the easy going,
(it blocks things from just about anyone, helps me identify, with a little help on the lists from Anderson, would be trouble.)

Like you said, Todd, JUST to open notepad, I find a good reason to just open notepad.


 
Qix77
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 5:46 PM
KiaPurity Wrote:You know, it sounds like there may be programs floating around that needs to be cleaned off of that machine.

try these programs:

Crap Cleaner

Ad-aware

Spybot Search & Destroy


I am afraid that you may have trojans floating around on the computer since it *is* a hand-me down... it's likely there is something in there that's screwing with the bootup/opening programs.

CCleaner is such an awesome program. It will really clean a lot of crap form your computer.

Also.. to add.. Try Vundofix.exe It will clean off all Vundo rather well.

Also... try AntiVir. It's better than Nortan, McAfee, etc... and it's not a resource hog.





 
Qix77
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 5:50 PM
MutoidMan and me are PC freaks so we know what we are talking about... but MutiodMan is a much smarter man than me. I might be able to give advice, but he give solutions. Heed his posts.

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KiaPurity
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 6:23 PM
Oh, by the way, do you have System Restore turned off?

That thing would be useful if it wasn't for the viruses abusing THAT!

Viruses and trojans abuse it so much that I have to keep mine turned off and I wonder if that's why your theme is resetting because of system restore?

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TheReelTodd
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 7:35 PM
I reformatted, re-installed XP and a few minor things.

Everything was fine.

I installed the latest XP updates.

Everything was still fine.

I installed CA Internet Security.

My Windows theme reverted back to the XP default and simple apps like notepad only opened after a 1-2 second pause before they launched.

I changed my Windows theme back to a modified Windows Classic theme and rebooted.

The theme reverted back to Windows XP default theme AGAIN!

Well, it seems I found the culprit. It is, in fact, CA Internet Security. It knocks settings out, causes unusually long pauses before allowing anything to run, and a few other display glitches (like tool tips appearing behind the task bar and a few others).

What the hell?

What ever happened to new versions of software being BETTER than the older versions?

For instance, I'm running CA Internet Security on my old jalopy computer (which I'm on now) and it has worked just fine, barring a few annoying glitches I can live with. It is an older version of the software that is no longer available, but it does not cause slow down when launching applications. Notepad launches instantly. My Windows themes do not revert back to the default. My computer does not take forever, pausing with no hard drive activity, when I shut it down. That's one of the other things it was doing on my newer PC - it causes an unusually long pause during shut down where there was no HD activity at all. WTF!

I created restore points along the way, just before installing or updating anything. I successfully restored to the point just before installing CA Internet Security and everything was normal again. My Windows theme was back to normal, applications launched instantly, my computer shut down without a long pause... and the computer is once again left unprotected and therefore unusable for now.

It seems I'll need to investigate exactly why CA Internet Security was causing my newer and much faster computer to act like a 286 from 1992. I know a lot of people use it (don't know any personally) so I doubt it can be that crappy-damn awful and people just accept it. Unless, of course, the only people who use it are too naive to understand it's actually bogging their system down. I can see that.

TronFAQ - Thanks for the info and links. I'm going to look in to those utilities. They're just good to have around for general troubleshooting, I'm sure.

Compucore - I'm almost ready to join you and the Linux elite. I used to be a huge MS fanboy, but in recent years, I've gotten more and more frustrated with them and their increasingly bloated and dumbed down (yet amazingly more complex and more difficult to customize to personal preference) OS's and software. Actually, some of their software packages are still on my good side, but in general, I'm not digging MS these days. I use their products because I'm used to them and because everyone on the planet (minus Mac and Linux folks) uses them and I want to remain compatible.

Jademz - thanks for the firewall links. It's good to test internet security out from time to time just to be safe. I discovered a scary vulnerability with my old jalopy last week - people could see right through my router/firewall using a simple trick. I changed some settings and I'm good again... until someone really wants to break in. The only 100% defense against a determined hacker is to pull the plug on the internet, period.

Qix77 - I'll look in to that virus software. I used to use Norton (some time back). Their idiotic and very aggressive software license validation, which ran it self frequently in my PC, shut down Norton Internet Security. Instead of attempting to help me out, their phone support was all too eager to simply refund my money. Thanks for nothing, guys. I'm so f---ing tired of more and more companies using aggressive license validationwhere to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online



 
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 8:35 PM
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Compucore
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 8:41 PM
Todd just to let you know you can and still work with some of the MS roduct to some extent. Like the files you creat with excel and with word for example. You just have to remind yourself at the time of saving them to mark it save as excel format or word format. But its no big deal even if you save it by default under openoffice. Just have to reopen them and do a save as and highlight the format. If there is one linux to try out it is Ubuntu right now seem really popular. Which flavour of ubuntu. will depend on you because of the interface itself. ANd this is just coming from my point of view. I have tried all three from Ubuntu. And gnome I prefer over the others. I know one of our homies here at TS likes KDE. But that is his preference as well to that. We both get the same work done under linux. Just the interface is changed.

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MutoidMan
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on Sunday, August, 12, 2007 11:17 PM
Damn, I'm good.

Todd, I'm glad you were able to zero in on the application that offended thee...and pluck it out! (Roger Corman's X: The Man with the X-Ray Eyes, anyone?)

You know, there's nothing really wrong with XP. XP is a very stable OS, and runs just about everything you need or want it to.

My friends ask me if I want to upgrade to Vista.

I say not at all; at least, not at the present time.

In fact, I'm telling anyone who still hasn't made the jump from 98 or *gasp* Me to get a copy of XP now before they stop selling it in January of 2008. MS is going to release Service Pack 3 in 2008, and it's providing security support for XP in all its flavors through August of 2014, so why not upgrade to or stick with the tried-and-true?

You've got a good CPU and a good HDD. You want better performance? Then here's my advice:

If possible, upgrade to at least 1GB of RAM to reduce the use of virtual memory, a.k.a. the page file on the HDD. If your PC can accept 2GB, that's even better, especially considering all of the video creation and editing you do.

If your PC uses integrated video, then get a new graphics card. You can get amazing deals on very powerful cards these days, and you'll eliminate the use of system RAM by the onboard graphics chip, which you can disable in the BIOS once you've installed a new video card.

Here's something you can do now, and for free:

Download and install PageDefrag v2.32 from the Microsoft Sysinternals site. With this tool, at startup you can defrag system files, e.g. the page file, that normally can't be defraged because they are open for exclusive use by the OS. I have it set to defrag my system files at every boot. Sure, it adds maybe second to my boot time, but that added second is helping to ensure optimum system performance. Install this now, while your system is still in a 'factory fresh' state. You'll be surprized at how many of your system files are currently fragmented. It will take a few seconds more to defragment the first time you boot up with PageDefrag installed, but afterwards it takes only a second and you'll barely notice it.

Good luck with your new PC!

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