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Maxunit Wrote:I'm going to rip more models tho. I will rip the models that will come with the Tron 2.0: Killer App mod as well ^^

May I ask what your intentions are, exactly? I'm one of the people working on that project. And while I can't keep anyone from "ripping" content from it once it's released, I'd very much appreciate it if people would ASK first before doing so.

It's only the polite thing to do, and A LOT of hard work has been put into the project. We've been working on it for over half a year now. So for someone to just come along and want to rip things from it for their own use, is a bit irksome to put it mildly.

If you can explain what you're trying to do, then maybe the team working on the project (including myself and zook_one here on Tron-Sector, and others in LDSO) won't mind and give you our blessing.

The one who copies has understand how to learn.
The one who steals has to learn how to understand.

IMHO someone who is so free with an open readable statement to 'rip off' content from others, is someone who doesn't sound very respectful for the work of others. And this wouldn't gain much respect from others.
So i would think through such words the next time, because you'll find many creative talents in here and those could feel being pissed of to read such things.

I'm really sorry, i say it again, sorry, if i acted not respectfull against the mod team from the Tron 2.0: Killer App mod. Sure, ripping the models is kind of "stealing" but useless for everyone, who is not into modeling and animating, since the ripper only rips the model, that you actually see...it rips no bones, no animations, only the raw model with the textures. So I could not claim this as my work. If the modding team dislikes this, then I won't rip their models nor show them in the public.

Ripping models is not illegal, but not okay for those, who created them...and guys, lets think over...if i would write a mail to Monolith or Disney for asking to rip the models, they would never reply and trash my mail...so, thats why i just ripped them.

I haven't released the models, I won't release them. I repect Monoliths work and I will respect the work from the Tron 2.0: Killer App modding team.

I'm currently joining the gaming bussiness, because I'm working on an MMOFPS game with a mate of mine, so I know the rules.
I would be angry as well, if someone would rip the models from this game then and would release them.

I'm currently just using those model rips as a base of operations to improve my skills in animating and gfx work. I have done some blooming fakes in Adobe Photoshop, I will upload them later.

EDIT: Plus, I really respect your work and can't wait to play your Mod. I think you do a really good if not awesome job there. I just extracted some model data from the game for testing and learning how to combine work in 3dsmax like rendering and posing with post-effects in photoshop. I do not intend to use the models in other projects tho I'm absolutely not experienced in modding, programming or anything like that.
What If some things really come out good? Maybe I can get some good promotion renders to work or something similar?
And I do not plan to hand out that models to other modding teams or whatever.
Like you guys said already, you put alot of efford in this MOD, so what do I get out of "disrespecting" your work?
I think .... nothing?!

To be fair, "rip" is the standard terminology. It's not derived from "stealing", but instead from "removing".

Think of it like this: "That girl at the party totally ripped my clothes off". As in "She removed my clothes". Not "She stole my clothes".

If was not relating to the words 'rip off' only, i was relating to the whole context of the sentence itself quoting these two words to point out that they sound harsh in combination to speak of a community driven mod project and to get the content out of it w/o even asking for it.

To mind yourself just about these two words is just a bit pendantic. It is still a difference if someone speaks about 'asking for' or 'ripping off' content. The second one still sounds disrespectful to me, if i don't know what the intentions are.
And 'ripping' in these days is also a unoffical termonolgy in computertechnology to get content which isn't directly available, and very often for some good reasons, as they might be hidden, protected or deeply integrated. Think of 'stream-ripping' when it is about music or videos. Some would judge it as 'stealing' other as recording', but in the end those who made the content would even think more negative about it.

I already made my experiences with such phrases and acting which all where gone in the same direction, and always ended in the same: someone took the content i or other made just to show 'how good' they are, although they didn't spent any time except putting on just one new texture. You think that this is respectful? So excuse me when i react a bit sensible, but in the end i still stay to my previous comment, because it contains truth that no one will get far if he is not willing to learn instead just to take content without asking for.

In the end it is good MaxUnit clears his point and so things were brought into the right spot. And if he realize that he can find many creative talents in here, he might even get much farer when he -ask- those talents to cooperate instead of -ripping- the content and reinvent the wheel, as someone already found out a lot.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

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lurkinghorror Wrote:To be fair, "rip" is the standard terminology.

"Rip" has very negative connotations in the world of computer technology, where it means piracy aka stealing. DVD rips, CD rips (creating MP3s), and so on that get posted on P2P file sharing sites.

At any rate, I'm glad Maxunit has explained his intentions and I'm convinced now that they're not malicious. When the project is released to the public, if he asks then perhaps zook_one will be willing to share his work with Maxunit.

TronFAQ Wrote: lurkinghorror Wrote:To be fair, "rip" is the standard terminology. "Rip" has very negative connotations in the world of computer technology, where it means piracy aka stealing. DVD rips, CD rips (creating MP3s), and so on that get posted on P2P file sharing sites.

As I said, the terminology is not derived from "stealing", but instead from "removing". If I purchase a dvd or a cd, and I rip it to my hard drive, it's perfectly legal and not stealing in any way shape or form. As you say, it's what people may or may not do afterward that is stealing. File sharing. And it's important not to assign negative meaning to legal activity or standard terminology as it leads to mix ups like this. Where someone not engaging in illegal activity, using the terminology in the appropriate sense, is perceived as engaging in something shady.

I'm sure you understand I am very anti-piracy. Every piece of work I have ever created is available in a pirated form right now. I feel the impact every day. But ripping is not the same thing as stealing. It's a separate and very legal act that many people engage in without ever participating in P2P.

Nice work you've done so far Maxunit. Hope to see more.

Welcome to the Sector and enjoy your stay here among the digital community of fellow rez-heads.