Nothing. They had no physical body, no molecules or atoms, no nothing. They are just data. Only things that existed in a physical form can return to the real world.

Well... the laser beam broke down physical molecules and stored them as digital patterns within the computer. So, you'd think that there would have to be the molecules available to assemble a full human (down to the memory patterns) from available matter.

Since programs have no "matter" they could be reassembled using existing matter (a corpse, say?) infusing their own "blueprint".

Sounds more like a updated Frankenstein if you ask me

I have absolutely NO idea what you just said. But I'm pretty sure it can happen. I mean, they did it with Aelita on Code Lyoko, right? She was just data, and they maaged to materialize her on earth, right?
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shadow_user Wrote:I have absolutely NO idea what you just said. But I'm pretty sure it can happen. I mean, they did it with Aelita on Code Lyoko, right? She was just data, and they maaged to materialize her on earth, right? And, yes, I am aware that she was solid before. So you don't have to tell me this.

Let's not bring anything not Tron into this, eh?

Looking back at a great quote,
"You might as well be saying, here goes something, here comes nothing."
That means, a Physical body can entery the beam and have his molecules turned into data, therefore becoming "nothing". Turning nothing into something is impossible. And if their body COULD gain a physical body, it would come out twisted, or just die, because it would lack any organs, because programs have none.

It's the age-old Star Trek transporter question. Could it actually ever work? I think someone posted once here that they got it to work on a sub-atomic level... far cry from it sending you to Hawaii.

I didn't read through all the responses, so I hope this hasn't already been stated.

I know it is the common consensus that a program cannot be materialized in the real world because it was never real and thus has no data (physical properties) of which to materialize.

I've stated this before, in a similar thread, but I don't think that the programs in TRON were actually like people. They were shown or personified for the proposes of the story and as a symbolic representation of their User in the digital world.

I've always thought that a human mind, when translated as pure data after being digitized, kind of represents the digital world in a way that is similar to what the mind is used to processing. Programs appear as people as part of the human/digital interface that exists in the digital world. Objects that don't necessarily have a physical form, appear in the only way, perhaps even an intentional way, that the digitized person can process it. Some things already have an intentional form like light cycles, tanks, and recognizers. This likely comes from the fact that these items were also programmed for Flynn's video games.

In the real world, when you look at the room you're in, you don't actually see the walls, windows, doors, etc. You see only the light reflected off of these objects. Perhaps in the digital world, what a digitized person sees is simply the way data is reflected from the system to the input available (as eyes, etc.) in the digital world. Did that make any sense?

Oh well, I tried to nutshell my take on it.

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Why couldn't a program come to life as a robot or something like this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rimmer ?

I'd imagine way the heck in the future & AI is a reality (it's not really horribly bad now), people could imprint their personality into a program and allow it to carry on without them. Who wants to bet we will see that in our lifetime?

Wouldn't that be whacky, all our virtual lives living on for thousands of years and able to interact with all the previous and even FUTURE generations of family & people?? This would make a good story... Especially if you caught a virus & needed periodic Microsoft patches. Can you imagine the legal implications of erasing developed personalities after someones passed on?? Or servers dedicated to keeping those who are biologically impaired going? How would you earn a living, making web pages, engineering, programming? Reproduction would be a cool programming experiment!

Got any writers here interested?

BTW if you check out http://www.a-i.com/ you can already program a personality (even yours) into an AI chatterer. We'll mostly your knowledge. That's where a bot called Tron lives that I "borrowed" for a Tron 2.0 server manager "MCP".

If you don't already believe that someday AI will occur, believe me it will or has already. Something like that only takes time to develop. I believe the reason why it's taken so long is that we came about from having alot of our brain pre-programmed at birth from millions of years of adaptation. The way to get similar behavior from software/hardware is to diversely evolve it too, while giving it survival requirements or any other goals, and adding / mutating it constantly. And what you get out of that process could be anything.

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Wouldn't that be whacky, all our virtual lives living on for thousands of years and able to interact with all the previous and even FUTURE generations of family & people?? This would make a good story... Especially if you caught a virus & needed periodic Microsoft patches. Can you imagine the legal implications of erasing developed personalities after someones passed on?? Or servers dedicated to keeping those who are biologically impaired going? How would you earn a living, making web pages, engineering, programming? Reproduction would be a cool programming experiment!

I'd actually been brainstorming a similar idea for a story, one that was a bit more rooted in the Tron 2.0 storyline. Part of the reason I'd started this thread was because of it, the other was 'cause I enjoy the topic

If you don't already believe that someday AI will occur, believe me it will or has already. Something like that only takes time to develop. I believe the reason why it's taken so long is that we came about from having alot of our brain pre-programmed at birth from millions of years of adaptation. The way to get similar behavior from software/hardware is to diversely evolve it too, while giving it survival requirements or any other goals, and adding / mutating it constantly. And what you get out of that process could be anything.

I wholeheartedly believe that AI are a reality more than likely one in my lifetime. I would love that it would be cool Course long as it doesn't turn out like the I, Robot movie or Matrix. That might be kinda bad for us Users.

I've stated this before, in a similar thread, but I don't think that the programs in TRON were actually like people. They were shown or personified for the proposes of the story and as a symbolic representation of their User in the digital world. I've always thought that a human mind, when translated as pure data after being digitized, kind of represents the digital world in a way that is similar to what the mind is used to processing. Programs appear as people as part of the human/digital interface that exists in the digital world. Objects that don't necessarily have a physical form, appear in the only way, perhaps even an intentional way, that the digitized person can process it. Some things already have an intentional form like light cycles, tanks, and recognizers. This likely comes from the fact that these items were also programmed for Flynn's video games. In the real world, when you look at the room you're in, you don't actually see the walls, windows, doors, etc. You see only the light reflected off of these objects. Perhaps in the digital world, what a digitized person sees is simply the way data is reflected from the system to the input available (as eyes, etc.) in the digital world.

That's a really interesting notion Todd and I like that. Thinking that the Digital world looks the way it does because the User's brain is interrpreting it that way makes a lot of sense. Reminds me of a Star Trek episode with Q.
I'm glad to see everyone adding their input into this thread

Reminds me of an old classic Star Trek episode where there was this buzzing sound and people were moving so fast everyone else appeared frozen.

I'd hafta disagree with that notion though. Sure time would be measured differently but I don't think that would affect them in the real world in the way you're proposing. They would process at the speed of thought sure, but that's how we think anyway. Course, I think some of us tend to lag a bit more than others in that department

We're nothing more than organic machines so it isn't so far-fetched to see a program downloaded, rewriting as it were, into a brain.

It's all a flight of fancy though, abeit an interesting one at that. I still think that a powerful enough AI could extrapolate a "body". I think it would really be a case of the AI having the resources to do so. I agree with a couple of you earlier about the Star Trek transporter reference and I think a lot of it would be akin to that kind of technology. I could see the AI using the correction algorithms or perhaps even a modified version of them for the rematerialization process, creating the necessary matter as it did (using previously stored User data as a template reference).

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