morganswift User
 Posts: 0 | Who was scared of Tron? on Thursday, July, 06, 2006 3:20 PM
I'm kind of interested in how people felt when they saw TRON for the first time when it first came out in cinemas.
I remember seeing the trailer at the cinema and feeling quite unnerved by it. It really was the shock of the new. It wasn't animation and at the same it didn't look like live action. OK, I wasn't 'scared' exactly but at 12 I remember feeling a bit weirded out by it - but in a good way. Later on I really got into reading about computer graphics and nowadays I agree with what Lisberger said on the dvd, a lot of effort with CGI (certainly in mainstream cinema) seems to be going into making photorealistic imagery and not into the unique imagery that only computers can generate.
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 Posts: 4,467 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Thursday, July, 06, 2006 3:36 PM
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 Posts: 0 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Thursday, July, 06, 2006 3:42 PM
I'm a kid now and I'm younger than you were when you saw Tron and I just saw Tron last month and I wasn't scared
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morganswift User
 Posts: 0 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Thursday, July, 06, 2006 3:50 PM
OK, just me then! Lol.
I remember a similar feeling. NOT scared but kind of thrilled when Jurassic Park came out - that diplodocus (or whatever it was) when it reared up on its hind legs. Felt like another milestone in CGI. Not sure where the next milestone will come from. I guess a fully believable human character in CGI would come close...
But once again I'm following that road towards photo-realism when maybe there are more interesting, startling, scary (in a good way) avenues that could be explored...
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Tapper User
 Posts: 0 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Thursday, July, 06, 2006 8:00 PM
I am still a kid and I was not scared of TRON. Instead of being scared I looked at TRON as the bridge between the gap of what is real and what isnt?
TRON shows a perfect example that programs look at Flynn as a god, that kind of touch of the film is what I like the most. 'god' in the end has to make a choice whether to keep his 'creation' or destroy it.
TRON is an excellent movie just for entertainment purposes and for symbolic purposes. I give it the same respect that I give 2001.
We all have to come to the harsh reality that one day machines will become smarter than the creator. When that comes 'we' have to make the decision whether to destroy what we worked on for so long or to let it continue to grow.
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morganswift User
 Posts: 0 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Friday, July, 07, 2006 5:16 AM
Some really interesting thoughts, Tapper. I agree that I'd give TRON the same respect as 2001. There is a spiritual element (and I mean that in its widest sense) to TRON which I think gives it its timeless quality.
I think my question, which was admittedly tongue in cheek, was more posed to the oldies like myself. When they showed one of the first moving films of a locomotive steaming towards the audience back in 1900 the audience ran out of the theatre. I'm not saying TRON had that effect on me but it was definitely something new and surprising. An audience grown up on Jurassic Park, Terminator, The Matrix etc. probably wouldn't view TRON in the same way.
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TheReelTodd Sector Admin
 Posts: 0 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Friday, July, 07, 2006 6:08 PM
I wasn't scared of TRON at all. I LOVED the film. I LOVED the whole concept of being digitized and existing in cyberspace. Of course, back then, the term cyberspace hadn't been invented yet, but I got it. I understood and was fascinated with the thought of being inside the digital world of the computer, existing as data, seeing things that could only be seen from within the computer.
I understood 3D computer animation already, though it was new. I didn't know how to do it, but I saw on a TV show (before TRON came out) called "Computers Are People Too" examples of computer animation and some examples of how it worked, in terms of vectors, shading, smoothing, etc. It was incredibly fascinating to me.
The look of things in TRON blew me away. I LOVED how they looked 3Dish and had perfect perspective to them. And I LOVED knowing they didn't exist in the real world - they existed only as elements within a computer simulation.
If anything, I was the opposite of scared of TRON. I was very drawn to it. I was 11 in the summer of 1982 when I first saw it. I didn't want the film to end. I don't think there will ever be a film that draws me in the way TRON did way back then... and still does today. No fear, just fascination, intrigue, excitement, and love.
        
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NoExcuses User
 Posts: 1,760 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Friday, July, 07, 2006 7:05 PM
Scared? No.
Unnerved? Not really.
Amazed? Definately!
I think that it has the most realistic 3D graphics of any film, ever.
And why? Because the Recognizers and Lightcycles look 100% like Recognizers and Lightcycles. 
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TheReelTodd Sector Admin
 Posts: 0 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Friday, July, 07, 2006 7:32 PM
NoExcuses Wrote:...I think that it has the most realistic 3D graphics of any film, ever.
And why? Because the Recognizers and Lightcycles look 100% like Recognizers and Lightcycles.  |
Actually, they are the most realistic 3D computer graphics ever rendered, period. The look of everything in the digital world was meant to look perfect, geometric, and something that only existed inside the computer. All the computer imagery fit the mold perfectly. It looked like computer renderings because it was meant to look that way. They could not have produced anything more than that back then, but they hit the nail on the head with what they were intending to produce.
I clearly remember when computer graphics were being pushed closer toward realism and further away from computer-y looking things (and less like the TRON look) as the 80's progressed. I was really disappointed. I wanted to see more amazing computer imagery... not just realistic looking stuff. It's like they forgot all about how cool that look was.
Oh, I love realistic-looking 3D commuter animation and imagery, but the whole TRON look will always be my favorite. I miss it. Not many people produce 3D animations with that style anymore.
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Tapper User
 Posts: 0 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Friday, July, 07, 2006 11:37 PM
I wasn't scared of TRON at all. I LOVED the film. I LOVED the whole concept of being digitized and existing in cyberspace. Of course, back then, the term cyberspace hadn't been invented yet, but I got it. I understood and was fascinated with the thought of being inside the digital world of the computer, existing as data, seeing things that could only be seen from within the computer. |
TRON is not that different from our world figuretivly speaking. As for being a program inside a computer world well, are we not nothing but code compiled in a complicated sequence and highly advanced mathmatical algorithm?
Sci-Fi may mean science fiction but science fiction often times comes to life atleast, on the technology side of Sci Fi movies.
Scientists are working on taking the atoms from an object in one chamber and moving them along a path into an opposite chamber. The atoms are put back together again in the same sequence they were broken down in.
Sounds very similiar to what Walter and his team were doing with the orange at Encom.
The movie came out in 1982 and its now 2006. It's not much of a gap when you think about it and yet scientists are what I would like to call digitizing items already.
TRON is not that far off.
I also recall that there is a museum somewhere in the United States where you can walk around a life sized desktop computer. You can explore the CPU and then travel to the Monitor and exit out one of the ports on the back of the monitor or something like that. I cant find any info for one on google though =/
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JJ Gregarius User
 Posts: 0 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Saturday, July, 08, 2006 1:22 AM
I never saw TRON in the theaters, but I think I was somewhat unnerved by the digitizing process. I must have been 4, 5, or 6 at the time. (When did TRON come out on VHS?)
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Someone mentioned CGI looking like CGI...
One of the reasons I didn't cotton to Toy Story at first was because I thought that it, and it's simulation-of-pupperty-that-could-be-done-better-by-Jim-Henson (i.e. real puppetry with special effects added in) would steal the thunder from a childhood favorite. I grew to like Pixar's work over the years, but it wasn't until Finding Nemo that I was ...
... because somehow, (you'd better grab hold to your seats, conscripts!) ...
...in it's lighting and ambience, I was reminded of...
:gulp:
TRON.(Why's everyone looking at me like I belong in the virus decontamination directory?) I can't explain really, but I got a very strong otherworld sensation from the way Pixar handled the water. I didn't hurt that the scene where Nemo threw a stone into the water filter reminded me of Tron throwing his disk into the MCP interface. (And if you have never seen Finding Nemo, that last sentence has to sound like I am on drugs, no?)
Yet still, it looks like rather than adding to the repertoire of moviemakers, CGI is taking genres away, such as puppetry (2-D animation is a story for another day). I guess we can't make that many new worlds; we can only render aspects of the world we live in, mostly.
There will never be another TRON, nor, I fear, will we ever feel the same way as we did when we saw TRON.

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morganswift User
 Posts: 0 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Saturday, July, 08, 2006 11:26 AM
You know what it was? When I saw that trailer for TRON back in 1982 (it would have been one of those on the dvd I guess) that was the very first time I had ever seen computer graphics.
Here in the UK I hadn't seen the 'computers are people too' TV show (though I watched the excerpt on the dvd the other night - not sure it warrants a PING! though!) so suddenly in the cinema I am faced with impossibly flawless machines hurtling along at great speed and people glowing in neon environments. I just remember thinking 'what IS this?' Certainly ain't the usual Disney stuff!
When I saw the full movie I was blown away by it.
Then I really got into CGI and read everything I could and for a long time I wanted a career in computer graphics until I broadened my interest and studied film.
TRON kind of faded away for me (I guess it didn't 'perform' the way the studio wanted it to and so it didn't get the huge marketing 'engine' behind it like Star Wars did) until the game TRON 2.0 and then I really remembered how great the original film was and so bought the dvd and now I think I love it more now then I did then.
Aside from the look of it, the film has a utopian, positive view of the future which is rare in sci-fi. Most films in that genre are dystopian or post-apocalyptic. I guess people are drawn to those stories more maybe because upbeat stories are viewed as 'cheesy'. The Matrix is a kind of dystopian version of TRON in many ways and therefore viewed more seriously but I think TRON asks as many questions and has a more far-reaching spiritual aspect whereas The Matrix is more bogged down in the nitty gritty of technology.
I agree with JJ Gregarius in that instead of opening up film-making CGI has kind of encroached on existing genres. Eventually we will have a movie, photo-realistic, populated with humans made entirely by computer and what will have been the point? Saves on hiring expensive actors?
I'd really like to see a movie sequel to TRON just to see the fantastic places we've never seen before. Some of the concept art on the dvd is great.
Gonna stop rambling now!
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Boingo_Buzzard User
 Posts: 0 | Re: Who was scared of Tron? on Wednesday, July, 12, 2006 3:55 PM
I wasn't scared, but was unnerved by the gladatorial-type combat and the way that programs would just "de-rez". I was 11 when it came out.
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