Know I know there's at least a couple Metroid fans around here... However, generally a poor idea to derail the Who's Your User thread, I bring Metroid discussion here. So, Samus fans, what's your favorite Metroid game? (you've played) Or what's one you're [re?]playing at the moment? What did you think of Prime? Which suitless Samus is your favorite? () Are you interested in Metroid Prime 3? Discuss!

Prankster bit Wrote: well, i just finished playing super metroid, with a play time of 2:59 all together, which meant i get the special ending where samus's armour disappears. anyway, that last 10-15 minutes was so crazy. with the mother brain turning into a big t-rex thing, then a big metroid sucking out the energy from it. nearly made my brain melt

I played Super Metroid so much in the summer of 1994. I beat the game several times - each time getting a better time and less-clad ending... well, she only un-clads so much - I mean there's no less clad than her leather bikini thing.

I love that game. I got the game after seeing it in action at a friend's house. I was planning on getting it, but after seeing it - I knew I HAD to have it. Graphically, it was a great improvement over the original 8-bit game... and the sounds were eerie and awesome!

Unfortunately, my friend also had a magazine that told how to beat Super Metroid. I started flipping through it out of curiosity... and saw how the mother brain has more in store for you at the end of the game. Man - that totally SUCKED! I mean, it was really cool, but it ruined the surprise! I can only imagine how cool it would have been if I never expected that while playing the game through for the first time. I can only imagine how freaked out I would have been to see the final boss pull something very unexpected like that! Grrrr! That is right around the time I started HATING spoilers of any kind. The end boss of the game ROCKED! But the big surprise was ruined by that damn tell-all magazine walk-through.

These days, pretty much every final boss has some kind of secret in store for you at the end. But back in 1994, that was a relatively new thing and not many games employed surprises like that. It still pisses me off today that I didn't get to experience that as a big surprise moment.

Very cool game though. I play through it again every couple of years (on emulator these days). It is, without a doubt, the best game that the Super Nintendo had to offer. Or so I think.

I wasn't really into Metroid until Metroid Prime came out. Now I got Metroid Prime 2 and Metroid Prime Hunters, and I CANNOT wait for METROID PRIME 3: CORRUPTION!!!

Say, does anyone have Metroid Prime Hunters? If you want I can share you my friend code.

I'll say Super Metroid, if only for the sheer emotional experience that occurs the first time you play it - that ending is a heartbreaker!

But, I'll be damned if the Metroid Prime games aren't great and I loved, LOVED Metroid Fusion on the GBA - very atmospheric game and the battle with the Samus-X was very intense!

One of the all-time great series. Hell, Metroid 2: Return of Samus on the original GameBoy was awesome!

Hard, but awesome!

Here's to Metroid Prime 3!

The PimpDragon Wrote:...Here's to Metroid Prime 3!

I just hope it is not as insanely difficult as Metroid Prime II was. That game was beautiful (looking) and offered good sounds and music, but I'll never play again. It was a chore (as in hard work that I did not enjoy) to get through it the first time. I enjoy a challenging game. I did not enjoy this game very much though - it was beyond challenging and well in to the annoyingly difficult area for me - to the point where I was not enjoying the experience. Some cool parts in the game, and I did enjoy some of it, but the game as a whole left a bad taste in my mouth. To date, Prime II is the ONLY Metroid (console) game that I have had no desire to play through again in an effort to unlock more secrets and enjoy the experience again.

I have a rule - if I buy a game, I will play it through to the end (unless it is just too unreachable for me). It is because of this rule only, that I finished Prime II. And I could have never completed the game without some major help from walkthroughs... several times throughout the game. Blah.

harpo989 Wrote:In that case, you may find this news good, Todd- (taken from this interview) ... Prime 3 is very odd to me, because it seems like they're at the same time trying to make it even more like the older Metroid games, while trying to make it new and different. I'm looking forward to it, though.

Well, it makes sense that they're trying to make it "even more like older Metroid games, while trying to make it new and different." It seems they've listened to what people were saying about how difficult Prime II was (thank God they actually listen!) and they know that the earlier Metroid games were a huge success and made Nintendo tons of money. So they want to try in tap in to what made Metroid such a popular and best-selling game in the past in an effort to try and cash in on it again. At the same time, they cannot simply remake the same old game again - so they must make it enough the same so that people enjoy the familiar feel of it, but make it new and add to it so that people have more reason to want it. We've already got the "older" Metroid games - they've got to make something new enough to make us want to spend our hard earned cash on a new one. They need to distance themselves from Prime II because that was not as successful (probably because it pissed everyone else off too) and they need to go back to Metoid's roots... or something like that. You know what I mean, I'm sure.

Thanks for posting that.

I was looking forward to the next Metroid game... until I found out it is NOT going to be for my Dust Collector... er, my Game Cube. I had forgotten that the new Metroid game was going to be for the wee-wee machine. I'm not sure I'll be getting a wee-wee. My Game Cube was an expensive dust collector and I own all of FIVE games for it. I wanted more... they just failed to make anything that I found of enough interest to invest my money and personal time. To buy a whole new system for this one game? That ain't gonna happen. So far, I am about as unimpressed with ANY of the next generation consoles as I could possibly be. I don't want any of them. To me it all seems like the same old crap - new hardware that won't live up to my expectations and the games are STILL played on a flat surface just like the previous generation's games. Better lighting effects, a few slightly new bells and whistles, the same old games on a newer system... ** yawn ** .

I can't believe other people are settling for this. Then again, I'm sure the biggest market for this generation's game consoles are the younger crowd. I still love games... I'm just bored with the same old bag-o-tricks. But the younger generation - it's still sort of new to them. So I get it. Bummer for an old guy like me though. Today's games look pretty... but they fail to interest me. Either I've gotten old and outgrown gaming... or the gaming industry has just stopped trying. I think all they're trying to do these days is rehash yester-year's games with improved graphics. BLAH!

I mean, I'm all for a new (and better) Metroid game - that's how sequel games work. They're a lot like the previous game, only they extend in to a new adventure and new areas, etc. But what will the wee-wee have to offer that the Game Cube cannot offer in a Metroid game? A few fancy motion-remote controller tricks and a couple slight graphic enhancements? I bet that doesn't make the game that much more enjoyable. I hope I'm wrong, but... We'll see. But for now, I still don't care for yet another gaming system that will end up as another expensive dust collecting waste of neglected hardware. I still can't believe they pretty much completely ignored the Game Cube. Nintendo could have done so much with that piece of hardware... but all they put out were mostly (IMO) uninteresting and/or cartoony/kiddie games.

Ok, enoug

harpo989 Wrote:...But the thing is simply that there are far, far too many people who want to have another Halo or another Zelda or another Madden, (not to speak badly of any of those games) and they want it to be the same, just slightly different.

I know you were talking more about the fact that I was saying there are really no new games, just rehashed and repeated games with slightly updated graphics. But there is another side to this line of thinking as well. In some respects, I'm sort of one of those people. I mean, I don't just want to play another Zelda game (never played Halo and I don't care for sports games). I want a game that gives me that incredible feeling of joy and fascination I had when I first played through Ocarina of Time. Can another Zelda game pull this off? Perhaps, but I doubt the folks at Nintendo will be able to figure out the proper formula to pull it off. Majora's Mask was a big let down and I didn't even want to look at the stupid kiddie-toony Wind Waker game. But I want a game... no, a synthetic or artificial adventure that will give me that feeling of being in the adventure the way Ocarina of Time did. But I don't see how they can pull it off with the technology they're employing. Still play on a FLAT screen with only sight, sound, and some vibration feedback to the game.

I admit that the wee-wee has an interesting concept to it with their motion controller thing, but the system at its core is still just another gaming machine that one hooks up to a monitor or TV and basically participates in an interactive (flat-screen) presentation via hand-held controllers.

Perhaps I'm longing for technology that just won't be affordable for a while. Or perhaps I just plain need more than better graphics and a motion-controller to get me excited about gaming.

I read a preview about Metroid Prime III... I forget where, but if you search, I bet you find the same one. The people previewing it got to play a demo level and were very impressed with the way the game played and had nothing but good things to say about the use of the motion controller thing. They had a few complaints about it too, but most of the preview was very positive.

But one thing that really bothered me is that they said the graphics did not seem very next-generation. At the risk of contradicting myself with the graphics thing, if this game is indeed a next-gen game, I would most certainly expect to see next-gen graphical enhancements! If they are not present, then why does this game need to be released on a next-gen system? Oh yeah - Nintendo needs to give people a reason to buy the wee-wee and the Metroid series has always been a good seller. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Prime III was originally being developed for the GC and then got ported over to wee-wee and modified to work with the motion controller.

Geez - listen to me. I'm so negative about this next-gen console thing. Perhaps it is because when I got the N64, I was both thrilled AND let down. The N64 seemed to not be as capable in graphical processing than I expected it to be. When I got the Game Cube, again, I was thrilled... and let down. Once again, the system didn't provide the kind of amazing graphics and impressive games that I was expecting. The GC graphics were more like what I was expecting out of the N64 before I got that. Although there were some really killer (visually) games like Resident Evil (1st one), and Metroid games. But I was disappointed that there was generally so little speech in the games and the limited storage capacity of the disc. The most disappointing was the fact I always suspected that this piece of hardware could do so much more than any of the games for it ever tried to do. Very few games interested me and my GC ended up as a dust collector. It's like Nintendo didn't even try to put out amazing games - just video games, and generally kidorder abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

Todd, if you haven't played any games on the next-gen consoles, how can you already condemn them?

I love my 360 and am thrilled with the lineup of games coming out for it!

I downloaded from X-Box Live the demo for "Lost Planet: Extreme Condition" and that game frickin' owns! It's a third person game (like Mario 64) on a planet that is covered in snow. It's so thick that your character is about up to his thighs in it. He trudges through the snow (and you can even see the path where you've walked) to fight off Snow Pirates and their mechs (which you can take over and cusomize yourself). He also has various handguns/machine guns/rocket launchers/etc. and hand grenades to take out his enemies.

Along with this, he has a grappling hook (ala Bionic Commando) to reach high places and get out of harm's way.

There are also giant insects on this planet you have to fight - and they turn into ice and shatter once destroyed. It's frickin' cool (no pun intended)!

So, doesn't this game sound like it'd be "somewhat" fun? Yet, you'd condemn it because it's on a next-gen console! That's sad, bro!

The Wii had a GREAT showing at E3! Most reports were incredibly favorable! I'm disappointed that the games won't be too much different graphically, but as long as the game is a good game, I'm not gonna complain because it'll still look good!

And if you're forgetting, I'll remind you that at least the new Zelda game will launch on the Wii and the GameCube ON THE SAME DAY! They still have that coming for GC fans who have waited for The Twilight Princess - and it looks amazing on both systems!

On the 360, look out for Crackdown! It's like a GTA-style game where your character has superhero abilities to stop crime in this world!

And SHADOWRUN!!! The return to the world of magic and cyberpunk! And it comes out for PC and 360 at the same time and will allow interface between PC and the 360 for online play!

Plus, Gears of War looks frickin' awesome, along with the trailer for Halo 3 (which that trailer utilizes the actual game's engine - the game will look THAT good) which finishes the series!

Then there's BioShock, which IGN gave "Game of Show" and Mass Effect from the geniuses at BioWare, who brought us Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and Jade Empire!

There are so many cool games coming out for the 360 that I can hardly believe it!

Then you have nearly 20 titles at launch for the Wii, including Zelda and Red Steel (which, if they work out the bugs I've read about, could be one of the coolest games of the year).

Now, Sony - that's a different story. They shot themselves in the foot at E3, so I have no desire to see what they're doing, although I'll say that Warhawk could be cool and that Heavenly Sword looks neat, but it's already been postponed to 2007.

So, in closing, don't condemn next-gen gaming until you've played it! Oblivion and Ghost Recon are two of the best games I've played in a long time and both are available RIGHT NOW on the 360! If you know someone who has one, give those games a shot!

And check out what they're doing with X-Box Live (and all of the demos, games and trailers you can download) and the Nintendo-24 online service that will upgrade and download stuff for you while you're sleeping! Plus, full access to all of the NES, Super NES and N64 games from Nintendo as well as many 3rd party games and even games from the TurboGrafix 16 and Sega Genesis!

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Mr. Sinistar Wrote:With all due respect, you gotta remember that almost ALL of the games that were at E3 are "Works-In-Progess". I remember watching G4TV a couple years back and seeing a flight simulator with "flying cubes" instead of enemy planes.

Yes, good point. I've seen early next-gen games that have not looked very next-gen before and I'm probably expecting them to do this with Metroid. They did it with Eternal Darkness for the Game Cube. It looked a lot like an N64 game, just running with a very smooth frame rate and with a lot more speech than most N64 games (one of the few games that featured some really good vocal dialogue for the GC). The game as a whole was pretty good, but the graphics were disappointing (in general). I also understand that game was originally being designed for the N64, but that changed.

Mr. Sinistar Wroteon't worry, things will look better. Don't forget "Wii Connect24", which automatically installs patchs and update for Wii. Possibly, newer updated graphic drivers!

Does that cost extra? I'm guessing it's part of a pay-for online feature. I'm up in the air about that stuff. I've really enjoyed playing light cycles online, but aside from that, I'm not much of an online player. Don't get me wrong - I FAR more enjoy competing with real people than game bots, but I just don't have much time for it and depending on the expense, it can be hard to justify.

Mr. Sinistar Wrote:If you're tired of watching your GC gathering dust, maybe you should do this!

I've never found it entertaining to watch people destroy stuff - especially technology. But I understand that doing so and publishing it on the internet is a popular thing these days. For the record - I'm not mad at my Game Cube - I'm mad at Nintendo for not doing much with it. They didn't make many games for the console that I felt really utilized its power to the fullest AND if they did, it was on the games I had little or no interest in. Again, I'm not sure I'm even close to the demographic they went after. Oh well.

I should point out that my gaming time is very limited. For me to actually invest time in a game, it really has to interest me - not just be kind of cool or neat. There were a few games that I came close to getting, but decided not to because I was sitting on the fence. I've said this in other threads - I'm really not much of a gamer in the typical sense. I rather enjoy a good artificial adventure though.

"grow on me" = BEST QUOTE OF THE DAY!

I think what you're saying - and correct me if I'm wrong - is that you personally haven't seen anything that looks next-gen to you yet.

Really, not every single 360 game looks next gen. Oblivion is amazing and Ghost Recon is almost photo-realistic - no joke. And Rockstar's Ping Pong game is - legit - badass and has amazing character models (you'll even see sweat stains as the match goes on, along with beads of sweat forming on their heads).

Take a look at NBA 2K7 and tell me THAT'S not next-gen! It's ridiculous how great that game looks and anyone who plays basketball games knows good and well that the 2K series trumps them all!

I think where the 360 will impress you is its online capabilities. New content downloads for Oblivion (my horse armor and wizard's tower and Pirate clan - yes, you heard right - PIRATE CLAN is sweet!), plus online chapters of play for Grand Theft Auto IV that aren't available for the PS3, along with content and extended stuff for many, many other games!

Online play is also great, with X-Box Live serving up some great play!

Dead or Alive 4 online is pretty amazing. Not only does the game look next-gen, but you have lobbies where you can watch other people play while you're waiting your turn! You can change camera angles, listen to them talk smack to each other and just enjoy the badassery!

Many of the games (including Project Gotham Racing - which looks amazing and has cars for download - and the ping pong game) offer spectator mode, where you can watch people's matches/races and just enjoy it as a viewer, not even lifting a joystick to play.

Check out the movie demos for Gears of War, Mass Effect and BioShock. Those games look and feel very next gen. I don't think any system before could create and deliver the worlds they've created here.

But, here's my question. If the Wii was more powerful than even a PS3, would it make any difference?

Because, here's the secret - Mario is always gonna fight Bowser. Zelda? Yep, she'll constantly get kidnapped and Link will have to save her. Samus? Guess what? She'll be saving the galaxy from space pirates again.

But the thing is this - is the experience fun? Almost 99.9% of the time, I'm gonna say "Yes."

And that's what matters - more than graphics, more than flat screens or 3-D, more than anything.

Look at the Star Wars prequels. They did things people never thought was possible with special effects and creatures. Things I'd never seen before on film.

But it didn't help the final result, did it?

So, enjoy gaming for what it is - having fun being someone/something else and exploring a new world or saving the human race or the Mushroom Kingdom or winning the Super Bowl even with the Cleveland Browns or the NBA Finals with Toronto!

Because no matter how great something looks or even if it's 3-D (that's for you, Todd), what matters is how much fun it is and how much it's worth to experience.

If you get your 360, Todd, look me up online! The PimpDragon is my gamer tag and I'd love to hang out while we're playing Joust or Gauntlet ("Wizard needs food badly")!

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