Those are quite stunning. The I/O tower one is gorgeous. Can't wait for the comic!

Well, I'll say a couple more things for the new look of Jet in costume. I had two thoughts that immediately popped up in my head when I saw it.

One was "that looks a lot like the concept art character sketches for Tron 2" on the 20th Anniversary DVD.

The other was "he really looks like the Kirk Douglas type now"! (Steven Lisberger said he pictured the actor for Tron as a Kirk Douglas type, before Bruce Boxleitner took the role.)

I'm not sure if there are items that would qualify as spoilers in this post or not. So be warned and read at your own risk:

redrain85 Wrote:I'm going to be honest, and say that I don't care much for the new look of Jet in costume.

Honesty is always appreciated! Out of curiosity, of the different designs shown. which one did you favor most?

HSBUser Wrote:... i wonder how hard SLG will push this book, as the 2.0 game wasn't exactly a big hit.

Well, one of the things we are trying to figure out how to push is the concept that this isn't Tron 2.0 - the comic. It's just a new story in the Tron universe, with characters from both the film and the game. It's kinda like the difference between calling the theatrical release of the Return of the King a sequel to The Two Towers. Yes, technically it is. But more than that, it is an equal part to The Lord of the Rings. Not to suggest that the comic will reach such loft heights as the Lord of the Rings, just that it was the first thing that leaped to mind as way of an analogy. Any succession of creative endeavors based upon the same unifying concept could be used to draw the comparison.

HSBUser Wrote:i get TONS TONS of promo from SLG and other indie pub. at work but no TRON2.0 things. odd. ...maybe just a "lets put it out and let it die to fullfill a licencing agreement" kind of a thing? i hope not, the images look great and actually make me want to pick up the game for Xbox & GBA. remember, buy it from your local Brick & mortar comic shop, support those guys they need it nowadays!

The promotional material is only just now going out to retailers and some readers. The book hasn't actually been solicited quite yet and isn't scheduled for release for a few more months. This is actually one of the more highly promoted SLG books, hence the volume of promotional material I have made available to folks here.

As far as putting it out simply to fulfill contractual obligations, SLG really isn't that kind of company. The realm of licensed material is new to them and they lack the capital to purchase expensive contracts just to bury them. So that at least, won't be to much of a concern.

And you are right. Support your local comic shops. The physical location, if you can. I worked comic retail for most of a decade, and it's brutal work with lower and lower returns every year.

TheReelTodd Wrote:What can you tell us about Jet's digital makeover, lurkinghorror? If you can't comment on it, no problem.

I've already covered this a bit, but I had not actually seen the post asking. So I thought I would go into it with a little more depth.

It's hard to delineate between creative politics and creative necessity. Such as, if there is a reason for altering Jet's design within the story, well... that just means we PUT a reason for changing Jet's design into the story. We don't have to do that. There are dozens of ways I can think of for leaving Jet's design as was originally conceived. But the unfortunate world of marketing suggested (in part, by reaction to the first postcard) that the original Jet design does not seem particularly Tron-like to many of the casual fans. Combine that with the poor reaction to Tron 2.0 in general, and you have a hard sell. Considering the enormous licensing fees, we have a responsibility to combat this disinterest. One avenue seems to be to bring the appearance more in line with the traditional Tron design.

But in part, it's simply that I hate the look of hair in the Tron universe. If I liked the look, I could probably justify it creatively as well. But that's one of the secrets to any creative endeavor. You have to love it enough to make it your own. I know the redesign will irritate some fans, while others will be pleased. So I simply try to figure out what will both appeal to the majority, while still pleasing myself. Iforder abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pill

lurkinghorror Wrote:Honesty is always appreciated! Out of curiosity, of the different designs shown. which one did you favor most?

The one with the hair.

I'm not sure what it is . . . I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'm just not fond of the new designs. I guess maybe it's because Jet looks like he's some kind of war-weary veteran, instead of the young hacker he's supposed to be. But I guess that ties in with your approach that someone's appearance changes when they enter the digital world. An interesting notion, to be sure.

But don't worry, I'm still excited about the comic and I think the background artwork I've seen is breath-taking.

But the unfortunate world of marketing suggested (in part, by reaction to the first postcard) that the original Jet design does not seem particularly Tron-like to many of the casual fans.

Hmm. I really didn't mind that look. I thought it paid tribute to Tron, without blatantly copying the original look. (Not that it would have been bad. But I can see the Tron 2.0 art team wanting to do something new with it, just like you're doing now.) They took some liberties with the established look, but in the end the spirit of the original was still there. IMHO.

At least . . . the final design, anyway. I've seen earlier iterations of Jet, that weren't so great.

But in part, it's simply that I hate the look of hair in the Tron universe.

Interesting, since Dumont had a beard. Heh.

But I see where you're coming from . . . they're supposed to be programs, not people in costumes. They don't necessarily need hair, or even need to look like people.

I believe that some characters were supposed to have disfigured looks, simply to show that they are crossing a boundary in the computer world theorys.

Putting a shower cap, and helmets dont show how capable a program is, but rather how incomplete and simplified it is, if they look as a human clone does, it means alot in a computer. Thats the reason some had clothes, others may not, ect. Hair is only a signature of human intervention. anyway... I liked the hair pic. nice work Lurkinginhorror!order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

these are stunning. they really are. when these arrive over here, i would walk through fire to get one. [ok, that might be a bit of an exageration, but you get the idea]

i'm looking forward to this so much...

lurkinghorror Wrote:I think it's kind of funny that most of the programs in the Tron 2.0 game Do look like they come from the original film.

Yes they do. The images I saw of the game before getting it were mostly of Jet, Mercury, the ICP's, Ma3a, and corrupt programs. And I was worried that the original light cycles would not be in there. I was pleasantly surprised to find that most of the programs in the game did resemble the original program look from the film, as did many of the environments, AND the original light cycles made it in there (even if they were slightly disproportionate). But based on the images I saw early on, it looked to me that they pretty much dumped the original TRON look and just went with all updated stuff - which I didn't care for.

lurkinghorror Wrote:Also amusing, my favorite design from the game was probably the ICP's. Although, the original guards were more to my liking.

I got used to the ICP's soon enough. I even ended up enjoying them as characters - even the semi-Sark-like figure "The Kernel". Again, I was originally put off by the fact that the original TRON guards were replaced by these ICP's. I thought the original guards looked really cool and wondered why replace what was so cool already.

Much of the game I warmed up to once playing, and some things I was irritated with. The new recognizers looked stupid - what were they thinking? The original recos rocked! What's up with Laura's fate? Didn't care for that. Jet didn't need for his mother to have died to be at odds with his father Alan. I was at odds with my Dad ALL the time and often engaged in heated battles with him, but my Mother was not dead. It just wasn't necessary, nor did it add anything to the experience for me - in fact, it detracted from it. Alan is all old and needs a special chair to sit in because of his back? WTF? Stupid, stupid, STUPID! That really irritated me - Alan seemed very healthy in the original film, and perhaps I'm tainted because I've seen Bruce Boxleitner in other productions since TRON (and very healthy), but I kind of figured Alan would maintain his health, strength, and still be a force to be reckoned with, both physically and on the game grid. And that brings me to - why was Alan so freakin' weak in the digital world? I would have thought that a digitized Alan would be a very powerful user in the digital world... and yet Jet has to tell him to watch out until I clear the way? That really irritated me a lot. Even if Alan was in poor health in the physical world, his user presence in the digital world should have been massive and powerful, and not a reflection of his weak physical being like that. I mean it was right for it to look like him, but he should have been... well, you know what I mean. Hated that.

Like I said, the game as a whole was an awesome experience for me. I played though it several times and SILL enjoy derezzing folks on the multiplayer light cycle game grid! But there were many elements to the game (mostly story oriented and some visual stuff) that just turned me off and didn't seem right. It was almost as if people who didn't know or care about TRON ended up creating the story line after being forced to watch the film TRON once. Then they tried to twist TRON's characters in to what they thought was cool, but that was not very true to the essence of TRON... or at least what I see as the essence of TRON (and the characters there of). That's how I felt about it anyway.

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TheReelTodd Wrote:why was Alan so freakin' weak in the digital world? I would have thought that a digitized Alan would be a very powerful user in the digital world... and yet Jet has to tell him to watch out until I clear the way? That really irritated me a lot. Even if Alan was in poor health in the physical world, his user presence in the digital world should have been massive and powerful, and not a reflection of his weak physical being like that. I mean it was right for it to look like him, but he should have been... well, you know what I mean.

I know EXACTLY what you mean. Alan should have been insanely powerful. Instead, we get the feeling of: "Step back old man, this isn't your Fathers Tron!"

Proactive and in your face.

Traahn Wrote:I like the one with the helmut and the tunic. The wider helmut, to be more precise. I like that it pays some hommage to the original film more.

That's my reaction as well. In fact, that version was the result of me going in and making alterations with photoshop of of the nearly identical version. It was intended as a suggestion for Louie. In that image, I also changed the skin tone to black and white. Which seems closer to the film to me.

Traahn Wrote:My understanding of these Jet drawings are that they are 'concept art,' to communicate a general idea. Is that correct, Lurkinghorror? If so, I'm not sure we need to be overly critical of them at this point (e.g., eyes). What do you think?

Well, you are correct in the main sense. Most of these are just quick samples provided by the artist when we were all debating over design. Most of these will not appear in print in any form (unless as bonus material), and they were produced rather quickly. However, the one form the poster/postcard/cover is pretty close to the final. Although I think the appearance of the character will change through the issue anyway.

All critical assessments are, of course, reasonable. Particularly when we're all discussing personal opinion and preference. In some ways, the eyes are a very good thing to point to as a criticism right now, as they are indicative of the artists style, rather than the Tron look. So while the designs may change between now and publication, the eyes will not.

I like the small eyes. it's actually one of the things that grabbed me right off with the artists work. It's a bit different than much of the material on the market now (although we strongly considered a manga book on this), and it fits the feel of the story as it reads in my head. Keep in mind here, that most of my other work involves characters with eyes half the size of their faces, so I'm really open to both.

Traahn Wrote:Am I off-base here? I thought Laura was Ma3a??

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