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on Friday, February, 10, 2006 7:08 PM
MutoidMan Wrote:Todd, when you get the chance, please read Atari Force #3. I'm sure you'll be surprized that you recognize certain elements of the story!

Ok, so I started reading through this comic earlier today. It was a little longer than I expected, so I'm starting to wonder what I was supposed to pick up on... I mean it read a little like rehashed Stat Trek, but many sci-fi stories did. Then a little more than half way through, they're under attack from a ship of very familiar design! Hmmm - I wonder what inspired that? Not to mention they're called Zylons? And then all of a sudden, up from the ground comes a gold and blue ship that looks much so familiar as well... could it be a Zolonial Ziper? So, does that mean the giant evil tentacle beast was actually under the control of Zaltar?

That was kind of funny, and cool in an old-school way. I wasn't much in to comics as a kid, but I do remember reading (or at least skimming) through many of the Atari comics. Like I said before - it often made playing the games that much more fun. After reading this, I am reminded of how some sci-fi material or comics seemed to borrow from other popular sci-fi. I used to get a kick out of how their ship was shaped like the Atari logo, and they had an Atari 8000 computer. I had a friend who had an Atari 800 computer (sadly only 1/10th the strength of the mighty Atari 8000 ) and that was one cool 8-bit work of wonder, as I recall. We used to sit and take turns typing in programs from magazines (at a slow crawl because neither one of us could type fast) and playing games on it. Caverns of Mars was played often, as well as... oh, what was that game called... you'd fly around in a cockpit view through amazingly cool and 3Dish looking landscape of mountains, and pick up stranded pilots... and get attacked by the occasional alien pretending to be a stranded pilot who'd pop up in the front glass of the cockpit view - that thing actually made us jump when we were playing it! . We used to play that game in a darkened room with no lights - to add to the mood of the game experience. Yeah - that was a cool computer and great memories of the 8-bit glory days!
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on Friday, February, 10, 2006 7:31 PM
It was the very liberal "borrowing" of elements from BSG (the name "Zylons" and the design of the two fighters) I figured would jump right out at you.

Just thought you'd get a kick out of it being that you're a fellow BSG fan.

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on Friday, February, 10, 2006 7:42 PM


TheReelTodd Wrote:Not to mention they're called Zylons? And then all of a sudden, up from the ground comes a gold and blue ship that looks much so familiar as well... could it be a Zolonial Ziper? So, does that mean the giant evil tentacle beast was actually under the control of Zaltar?
Ladies and gentlemen, the above is a Marketing 101 course on how to avoid trademark plagiarism and being sued! Just substitute a Z in front of the word you want to steal, and you're set!

I'm inspired now, to write a new story called ZRON with characters named Zlynn, Zori, Zam, Zrom, Zumont, Zark, and the ZCP!



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on Friday, February, 10, 2006 8:02 PM
MutoidMan Wrote:It was the very liberal "borrowing" of elements from BSG (the name "Zylons" and the design of the two fighters) I figured would jump right out at you.

Just thought you'd get a kick out of it being that you're a fellow BSG fan.

Yep - it did indeed jump right out at me. As soon as I say the Cylon Raider... er, Zylon Zaider!



 
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on Friday, February, 10, 2006 8:05 PM
redrain85 Wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, the above is a Marketing 101 course on how to avoid trademark plagiarism and being sued! Just substitute a Z in front of the word you want to steal, and you're set!

I'm inspired now, to write a new story called ZRON with characters named Zlynn, Zori, Zam, Zrom, Zumont, Zark, and the ZCP!

LMAO!

Oddly enough - it just might work!

Look out Disney - here comes ZRON!

- ZheZeelZodd

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on Saturday, February, 11, 2006 2:46 AM
TheReelTodd Wroteh, what was that game called... you'd fly around in a cockpit view through amazingly cool and 3Dish looking landscape of mountains, and pick up stranded pilots... and get attacked by the occasional alien pretending to be a stranded pilot who'd pop up in the front glass of the cockpit view - that thing actually made us jump when we were playing it! . We used to play that game in a darkened room with no lights - to add to the mood of the game experience. Yeah - that was a cool computer and great memories of the 8-bit glory days!


Wasn't it called something like Rescue On Fractalous or something like that? It was an early Lucas Arts game.
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on Saturday, February, 11, 2006 2:54 AM
Good work, Nikster!! That's it!!! Rescue on Fractalus! I had totally forgotten about that game And I agree, I think it was Lucas. I had it on my C64 and I loved the Lucas intro to some of those old games. I think another Lucas game was Labyrinth, which for the time, was an interesting adventure game that I never really understood what my goal was, I just liked the graphics

Rescue on Fractalus screens:




And this page has a nice QuickTime video to see a video of the game: http://www.electriceggplant.com/rescue.htmlLOL, I forgot they pilots pound on the spaceship doors when they want in (haveta see the video to hear this). And I see on David Fox's resume it was the "first computer game to use fractal technology." Very interesting...

And here's an interesting read on the history of LucasArts. Brought back some more gaming memories (Maniac Mansion, Koronis Rift, etc.) http://www.lucasarts.com/20th/history_1.htmorder abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pill


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on Saturday, February, 11, 2006 8:24 AM
Nikster Wrote:
Wasn't it called something like Rescue On Fractalous or something like that? It was an early Lucas Arts game.

Yes - that's it! It had really cool graphics and an engaging and addicting experience.

I loved playing that game at my friend's house. I had a C64, and he had it on his Atari 800 computer. Almost made me wish I had an Atari 800.




 
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on Saturday, February, 11, 2006 8:33 AM
Traahn Wrote:Good work, Nikster!! That's it!!! Rescue on Fractalus! I had totally forgotten about that game And I agree, I think it was Lucas. I had it on my C64 and I loved the Lucas intro to some of those old games. I think another Lucas game was Labyrinth, which for the time, was an interesting adventure game that I never really understood what my goal was, I just liked the graphics

Rescue on Fractalus screens:

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And this page has a nice QuickTime video to see a video of the game: http://www.electriceggplant.com/rescue.htmlLOL, I forgot they pilots pound on the spaceship doors when they want in (haveta see the video to hear this). And I see on David Fox's resume it was the "first computer game to use fractal technology." Very interesting...

And here's an interesting read on the history of LucasArts. Brought back some more gaming memories (Maniac Mansion, Koronis Rift, etc.) http://www.lucasarts.com/20th/history_1.htm

Oh man!

Just LOOK at that!

Holy cow does THAT bring back memories!

Wow - thanks for looking that stuff of, Traahn! I watched the cool promotional video on their site and it was awesome! It brang back a bunch of memories of playing the game!

How - how frikin' sweet was that game? It was the early 80's and they were already using 3Dish perspective play with very realistic (for the time) terrain to explore. The frame rate was a bit low, but more than tolerable. I remember playing that game for long periods at my buddy's house - it was so cool. Sometimes I'd go over there JUST to hang with him and play the game. At the time, it was hands down, the coolest game I had ever seen.

I had no idea I could have gotten it for my C64! DAMN! I really missed out on that. I would have been glued to it for hours at home, I'm sure. You see - there was no internet back then, so if you didn't know someone who had the game, you usually didn't know it existed. I didn't exactly get to the computer stores (or departments) much back in those days. I never had any money and my parents weren't the kind who just bought their kids anything they wanted. With an allowance of about $2.00 a week, I couldn't get much anyway.

Man - I really can't believe I missed out on that. That game was ahead of it's time in the graphics department, and was a very cool game of rescue the stranded pilots while dodging the enemy aliens and I loved playing it from the view of the cockpit. I was VERY in to space ships and space travel back then. This game was an amazing experience for a 13 year old me. Maybe I was 14. Whatever - it was just so damn cool!

Thanks Nikster and Traahn for remembering that game and resurrecting some great childhood computing memories!
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on Saturday, February, 11, 2006 12:39 PM
When I first got my commodore 64, I would leaf through magazines (like Compute!, etc) and I saw an add for Sublogic's "Flight Simulator II"


(Yes, I know that's an Apple cover, but it was the same for the C-64)

They had a screen shot of the gameplay:


Which I thought was the coolest thing I had ever seen. I couldn't find it for sale locally so I had to mail order it. When it came I was amazed. It had HUGE manuals about flight physics and what all the dials and knobs meant... it also had FULL flight maps for all the areas it supported ( LA, Seattle,New York, Boston, And Chicago). This thing was SO amazing. You could buzz the Statue of Liberty, and the Sears Tower. I spent HOURS and HOURS on this thing. Even learned how to land There was even a WWI fighter game that came with it. Can you believe all this on a single disc!?


Later I got the Chuck Yeager simulator which was more fun in some ways (You got a sense of speed and more aircraft to choose from. The planes were also easier to fly and control), but lamer in some aspects (No scenery basically).

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on Saturday, February, 11, 2006 2:41 PM
You're quite welcome, TheReelTodd! I was thankful to be reminded of that game, too. The Solar Sailer scene in Tron always reminded me of a video game or two I once played, and after watching the Rescue on Fractalus video.... Rescue on Fractalus is one of them! As the ROF ship leaves the mothership, there's the alternating colors on the walls... similar to a hangar-like thing the solar sailer goes through in Tron.

it also had FULL flight maps for all the areas it supported ( LA, Seattle,New York, Boston, And Chicago). This thing was SO amazing. You could buzz the Statue of Liberty, and the Sears Tower. I spent HOURS and HOURS on this thing. Even learned how to land There was even a WWI fighter game that came with it. Can you believe all this on a single disc!?
YES! Boingo_Buzzard, you rock! It seems this thread is all about remembering the "old days" of gaming Nickster and I make TheReelTodd's day; you make mine. I spent many hours playing that Flight Simulator game on our IBM PC Jr., and I also loved that WWII side-game. What I found amazing was that MANY airports were in it (like you say), including tiny local airports, and you could also dial in the airport frequencies to let Air Traffic Control know you were coming in (get clearance for landing; hear weather conditions (if I remember correctly)); and the airport frequencies were in the manual for reference. It really did seem like a sophisticated game for its time. There was a mountain range on that WWII map that I'd always fly on the other side of, going way off into the distance to see if there was anything else 'hidden' in that map. I can't recall ever finding anything beyond the main map grid though? And doing the overhead view when you're taxi'ing the runway and seeing the numbers on the runway. Wow! And I listened to Van Halen a lot while playing it; so any time I hear a Van Halen song from that eponymous album, I remember playing Flight Simulator. Funny how that works!!

It's funny you bring Flight Simulator up, because just two weeks ago, I was remembering this game and wondering if any new Flight Simulators were under development; thinking I'd like to get one some day. Sure enough! Flight Simulator X is due out late this year! And it looks pretty awesome. (I just wonder if my PC will be able to handle it.) I haven't really played any Flight Sims since the early 90s b/c newer ones often seem too "arcade-ish" feeling to me, which I'm not a big fan of. But check out these URLs:

http://flyawaysimulation.com/article1612.htmlhttp://flyawaysimulation.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=My_eGallery&file=index&do=showgall&gid=16
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I read that they're wanting to make the environments more lively -- flocks of birds flying about; realistic weather; cars driving; dolphins frolicking; etc. Sounds really cool. Text preview: http://flyawaysimulation.com/article1609.html
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If you need something to entertain you until then, I read somewhere that currently X-Plane (not by Microsoft) is the most realistic flight sim on the market: http://www.x-plane.com/. I'm curious to play it, but probably won't. I think I will wait for Flight Simulator X.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill


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on Saturday, February, 11, 2006 3:58 PM


Damn, I had a nice long reply typed out, and the one time I'm not careful to copy what I typed . . . poof. I can't remember everything I said any more, so the short version will have to do, I guess.

I must be one of the few who didn't have a C64.

I did almost buy a C128, though. And I had an Amiga 500 for a while.

Those screenshots of Rescue on Fractalus look really good, for their time. That was one of the first 3-D games, and it was from LucasArts of all people. Not that there's anything wrong with it coming from LucasArts. It's just that they were more known for their adventure games, so a 3-D game for them was kind of unusual.

Since you guys are talking about your favorite classic games, here's one of mine. Sundog for the Atari ST!


You can find out more about it here:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/maury/games/space/sundog.html
Sundog was one of the first really good games for the ST. It was a combination RTS/RPG/Space Sim game. It was so good, that I played it over and over again. And I can still play it now, thanks to emulation. I would jump for joy if a modern version of this game was made!



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on Sunday, February, 12, 2006 3:07 PM
Boingo_Buzzard Wrote:When I first got my commodore 64, I would leaf through magazines (like Compute!, etc) and I saw an add for Sublogic's "Flight Simulator II"...

I remember kids playing that on the Apple ][ computers in the media center at school. I thought it looked cool, but the 1 frame per second frame rate was awful. I saw it on a Commodore on Mr. Wizzard's world (think it was that show) and it looked even slightly slowed.

The really, really low frame rate and the fact that it was actually a flight simulator complexity (as in you pretty much really have to learn how to fly), I never really took much of an interest in it.

But I have to say they sure packed a lot of stuff in to an 8-bit computer package. I mean they seemed to have loaded a lot of physics and real flight know-how learning in to that thing, as well as several recognizable locations in which to fly.




 
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on Sunday, February, 12, 2006 3:11 PM
redrain85 Wrote:Since you guys are talking about your favorite classic games, here's one of mine. Sundog for the Atari ST!

Yeah - it's not all Atari Flashback 2, or even just Atari VCS going on here.

If you got fond retro-gaming memories - just jump right in with 'em!




 
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on Sunday, February, 12, 2006 3:17 PM
Ok, with the Rescue on Fractalus game being brought up and after seeing that really cool promo video about it, I scoured the net yesterday looking for the C64 ROM of it for my C64 emulator. I still have my old C64, but it is in storage and I prefer the emulator because of sheer ease of use.

Anyway, I could not find the ROM anywhere. Actually, I did find it in "blast279", but it wouldn't work. Even after repeated attempts to get it working, altering the emulator's settings a little each time, it would not play. Bummer.

I know it is easily available for the Atari computer and even the 5200, but I wanted the C64 version, since it was the C64 I had as my first home computer.

There is a CD library of old C64 software & games I came across in my search. I don't remember what it costs, but I might end up getting that. I only ever had a handful of games for my C64 - I mostly programmed on it, and drew pictures with the "Doodle" app, but the package looked cool, and I'm on a huge retro-gaming and computing binge lately. Anyone have one of these? Yeah - it would probably help if I remembered the name of the package. Sorry - too lazy to look it back up. Oh never mind - I shouldn't expect feedback on something I'm too lazy to look up again.




 
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on Sunday, February, 12, 2006 5:13 PM
The really, really low frame rate and the fact that it was actually a flight simulator complexity (as in you pretty much really have to learn how to fly), I never really took much of an interest in it.
I'm calling you out on this one, TheReelTodd I think it was probably just the 'flight simulator complexity' part you didn't like Look at the framerate of Rescue on Fractalus. 1 frame per second, yet you got hours of enjoyment out of that!


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on Sunday, February, 12, 2006 5:54 PM


Deadly Disks Wrote:Sundog and Dungeon Master on the Atari 520st were THE SHIZZNIT! Where can I get an emulated copy of it?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even though this kind of treads into a grey legal area: I'll tell you what I know, so that you and other people can try out the game if they want. My understanding is that one of the game's authors is cool with people downloading it, and has given his blessing for sites to distribute it. (Don't believe me? Then visit the author's homepage where he has a link to the download of the game.)

You want to visit The Little Green Desktop site. From there, you can download the STeem emulator, which I think is the best one.

For the game itself: again, the game author's homepage has a link to download it. It's the third link down. You can use the emulator included in the download if you want, but it's really old. STeem is up do date and way better for running all kinds of ST software.



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on Sunday, February, 12, 2006 7:56 PM
I noticed Cinemaware has some free game downloads for the Atari ST in their gaming vault here: http://www.cinemaware.com/vault.asp?vault=games. Not sure if you ever played any of those games, but some of them are definitely classics, like Defender Of The Crown. I'd mainly only noticed the C64 downloads in the past, but since you had Atari ST, I thought I'd mention in case it jogs any wonderful gaming memories

And I thought this was interesting, from their home page: "The original ?TV Sports Football? was eventually the inspiration for ?John Madden?s Football? by EA. Many of the original programmers were responsible for this first EA Sports title." (Note: There is other trivia if you keep refreshing that home page.)
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on Sunday, February, 12, 2006 8:10 PM
For the life of me I cannot remember the name of a very obscure game that I played long ago. I think it was for the Commodore 64, but I guess it might've instead been the IBM PC Jr. I just can't remember! And not remembering has driven me nuts for like 5 years. Does this ring a bell for anyone?

It's set in victorian/medieval times. I think the main object is to get to the Fair Maiden. The game starts and you're a little dude in the middle of a field (Sir Lancelot?). There's a white horse running around that you have to catch. The horse will stop every now and then, but you can't ever run right up to him because the horse will dart off. So you have to pick up wooden fence pieces and move them to create a holding pen for the horse and lure him in there and eventually catch him so you can ride him.

Okay, that's the first scene. The next scene involves a pond, or a moat? or some body of water that you have to get across. You have to jump from rock to rock (or maybe it's lilly pad to lilly pad?) to go from the left side of the screen to the right.

And that's all I remember I totally want to play this game again! Does anyone remember it??? Nickster??? You were good with Rescue on Fractalus.... Anyone???

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on Sunday, February, 12, 2006 8:59 PM


Oh yeah, I played a lot of the Cinemaware games. Defender of the Crown was great. They also released a game called SDI (Space Defense Initiative) that I thought was amazing for its time.

As for the game you're thinking of, it sounds a lot like one of the King's Quest games to me. But I could be wrong. It could also be one of the Legend of Kyrandia games.

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