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Tony.ROM
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Re: Corpse Bride

on Monday, October, 10, 2005 8:01 PM
But, it was shorter than I thought it would be, and it didn't end like I wanted it to....


That is exactly what I thought! The animation was great, but the ending was not what I wanted.
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TheReelTodd
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on Saturday, June, 23, 2007 1:38 PM
Well, better to chime in almost two years late than not at all, right?

I wanted to see this film when it first came out, but my life was VERY hectic in the final months of 2005.

I recently borrowed the DVD from a co-worker who was raving about how well done the film was. I was amazed and very pleased with The Nightmare Before Christmas, both the twisted cool and dark story and the amazing, groundbreaking stop motion animation. I figured I couldn't go wrong with Corpse Bride.

I watched it with the wife a couple weeks back. She and I both loved the movie. The story wasn't as elaborate or as busy as TNBC was, but it was still twisted, dark, cool and full of great moments.

Here's the weird thing - the animation was so outstandingly well done and smooth and the characters were so incredibly expressive (amazing facial expressions and emotions) that it actually distracted me a little. I say that only in the sense of I know about stop motion - I toy with it and have used it in some of my little productions and to see something that is so incredibly life-like and... well, perfect like this with those amazing facial expressions - all I could do was mentally think of how long each shot must have taken, how many consecutive frames each cut was, how many animators worked on each scene, and HOW THE HELL DID THEY DO THOSE FACES SO DAMN WELL?? I can't help it. I'm a film/video geek and have trouble enjoying anything these days because in the back of my head, I'm analyzing each shot, the visuals, what kind of FX techniques were used, etc.

Distracting as the amazingly beautiful animation was, I was totally blown away. I had to watch the behind the scenes to see how they pulled off those incredibly articulated faces like that. Ingenious! I knew they couldn't have been manipulating the faces from the outside only. I would have lost sleep had I not been able to see how they pulled that off.

I've since seen the film a few more times (having temporarily copied it to my computer because I had to return the borrowed DVD). I've got the DVD on order and eagerly await its arrival.

In subsequent viewings, I've been able to enjoy the film's amazing artwork and animation without being distracted by how well done it is (I know, I'm not normal). I've noticed so many more things from the reoccurring butterfly/freedom symbolism to the subtle things that make these colorful characters really seem so lifelike. Each little movement or facial expression - there are so many subtle things that make these characters really come alive on screen.

It is truly amazing how the characters in this film almost seem more lifelike than many live action characters.

There have been only a handful of films that really wow'd me with a high cool factor and/or groundbreaking effects or cinematics. The original, original Star Wars films, TRON (of course), Beatlejuice, The Abyss, T2, The Nightmare Before Christmas, Jurassic Park, and now Corpse Bride. I left some out of the list, but you get the point.

Tim Burton is an amazing a filmmaker to me. Not all of his films have been to my liking, but most of them really drew me in and made me have to see them repeatedly to truly appreciate all that they are. Corpse Bride is an outstanding work of art that is cool on so many levels.

As with any film that really captivates me, the first thing I wanted to do after seeing Corpse Bride (a few times) was to make something just as cool and amazing, probably utilizing stop motion animation. Of course, I wanted to do the same thing after Star Wars, TRON, etc. I can't. But when a film has this impact on me, I know I've been taken on a magical ride that was more than worth the price of admission as it has become more than just a work of entertainment - it has become an influence and inspiration.

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Boingo_Buzzard
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on Monday, June, 25, 2007 11:59 AM


I really liked it too Todd. I thought the music and art direction were great. I don't think it did too well, and probably because of the conceived subject matter. People probably thought it would be too dark and thematic to take young children too.

I had been down on Burton for a while with his string of stinkers (Planet Of The Apes, Big Fish and Charlie And The Chocolate Factory), but he definately redeemed himself with Corpse Bride.

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lurkinghorror
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on Monday, June, 25, 2007 5:45 PM
I didn't care for it. But there is a very large difference in my mind between Nightmare Before Christmas and Corpse Bride. And that difference would be Henry Selick, the director of Nightmare. From what I've seen, alot of the creative vision of that film came from him.abortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion


 
TheReelTodd
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on Monday, June, 25, 2007 6:35 PM
Boingo_Buzzard Wrote:I really liked it too Todd. I thought the music and art direction were great. I don't think it did too well, and probably because of the conceived subject matter. People probably thought it would be too dark and thematic to take young children too.

I was wondering if the subject matter (guy marrying a corpse) might be a bit much for some people. But then again - why should that be a big deal when every other movie is so incredibly violent? I mean, this was nothing - just an impressive work of animated art and a cool, dark, quite fictional story premise. But some people have odd standards.

I had been down on Burton for a while with his string of stinkers (Planet Of The Apes, Big Fish and Charlie And The Chocolate Factory), but he definately redeemed himself with Corpse Bride.

Yeah - I really thought this was a fine example of the greatness that is Tim Burton and his fantastic style.

lurkinghorror Wrote:I didn't care for it. But there is a very large difference in my mind between Nightmare Before Christmas and Corpse Bride. And that difference would be Henry Selick, the director of Nightmare. From what I've seen, alot of the creative vision of that film came from him.

I'm guessing you didn't care for it because there wasn't as much story as there was in Nightmare? I can respect that. Nightmare definitely had more guts to it (no pun intended) and was quite an interesting premise and great ride through the unreality that it was.

As I did with Nightmare more than 10 years ago, I find myself having to watch this one repeatedly. Even though the story is very simple, straight-forward, predictable, and less than epic, the presentation of the film as a whole blew me away. I think in this case, the amazing animation, mind-blowingly well done facial articulation, colorful and very full of life (again, no pun intended) characters really made it work for me. The characters themselves were a delight to watch and enjoy. The story was short and simple, but the presentation of it with this cast of colorful characters, excellent voice-acting, and the best execution (ok, pun intended) of stop motion animation I've ever seen was a real pleasure for me to experience.

There are two particular scenes that I've had to watch over and over. One is the Bonejangles (and his skeleton back up crew) song and dance number - where they tell the take of the Corpse Bride's fate. All I can say is WOW! Such amazing animation - so smooth, fluid, scary, cool, and FUN! The lighting effect they used for part of it was an excellent move too. I won't even get in to how it warps my mind pondering the complexities of animating so many characters in sync to the music so perfectly.

The other scene is where Victor and Emily are playing the piano together, just before Mayhew's entry as a "new arrival". There is no dialogue (once they start playing the piano together) but there is an excellent display of emotional exchanges/changes taking place purely through their very articulate and well done facial expressions. And even though their fingers weren't quite hitting the correct keys on the piano for the notes that sounded, I am still amazed at how well animated that whole scene is. It is technically outstanding and an excellent example of animated character emotion and interaction.

I've also watched several portions of the film frame by frame. I practically wore out my VHS copy of TNBC doing that some time back. This frame by frame review is how I learn more about the art of stop motion animation myself. I like to dabble in it, although I'm not even in the same galaxy in terms of the level of quality seen in Tim Burton's films. But I study the animation and learn what I can that way. It helps to study the best of the best.



 
Boingo_Buzzard
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Re: Corpse Bride

on Monday, June, 25, 2007 7:11 PM
Edit: I deleted this response because I went back and read the whole topic and realized I just said the exact same thing I did back in Sept. 2005. No sense in repeating myself.


 
TheReelTodd
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on Thursday, June, 28, 2007 6:12 PM
Boingo_Buzzard Wrote:Edit: I deleted this response because I went back and read the whole topic and realized I just said the exact same thing I did back in Sept. 2005. No sense in repeating myself.



I guess that means you professed your love for the film again and Tim Burton's return to that awesome style we all fell in love with so long ago.

I guess it's good that you have the same things to say.

My Corpse Bride DVD should be arriving tomorrow (I hope). I'd love to break it in this weekend if possible.

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on Friday, June, 29, 2007 10:49 AM
TheReelTodd Wrote:
BTW - I dig your new avatar. Is that ZoidTRON? Or TRONberg? Or ZoidbergTRON? Or just digitized Zoidberg? Whatever - looks cool.

Yeah... got bored at work so did something up quick like. "Hoooray! Now it's Zoidberg's turn to be popular!". Thanks

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TheReelTodd
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on Saturday, June, 30, 2007 6:20 PM
My DVD of Corpse Bride arrived today. I just broke it in, followed by a good viewing of some of the special features, which I've watched a few times as well. I'm one of those people who tend to watch the behind the scenes features as much as, if not more often than, the main feature itself.

I especially enjoy the making of the puppets and preproduction animation tests. For such a "low tech" art form like stop motion animation, there was a lot of very high-tech things going in order to make this film. I could go on endlessly about my love for stop motion animation, Tim Burton's incredible style, and how impressed I am with this film and the technology behind it... but I'll just be repeating myself over and over if I continue.

Of course, as with previous viewings of this film, I have a very strong desire to do something stop motion... something with a skeleton and live action mixed together. I doubt I will though. Where on earth can I find a skeleton figure with full articulation and can hold position for frame after frame? I'm not a puppet maker... and I won't be making anything like this any time soon. But like I said before - the sign of a truly great and impressive film is when it inspires others to do (or at least really, really wish they could) do something creative in the same vein.

Mr. Burton, if you're reading this... and I think we BOTH know you are can I come and work for you some day? You may not really be reading this, but I'm really serious about my question.



 
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