Boingo_Buzzard User
Posts: 0 | Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Sunday, August, 28, 2005 11:46 PM
I was literally floored when I heard The Omen was being remade. This is one of my all time favorite movies. (It also has a Tron link.. )
The question I have is... have remakes gone out of control? What constitutes a remake as opposed to another take on an established story (i.e. Charlie And The Chocolate Factory).
Has Hollywood gotten lazy? Are there just NO scripts out there? I have some good ideas for movies.. maybe if there is a rut in creativity I should submit them
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Posts: 0 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 12:40 AM
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KiaPurity User
Posts: 3,488 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 1:21 AM
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is NOT a remake.
It's a retelling of the book, that's all.
(Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is just something else entirely. The title is that way because they wanted to sell more candies. :P)
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DaveTRON User
Posts: 5,314 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 1:44 AM
Three of my favorite movies of all time are remakes of the same story.
Shop Around The Corner with Jimmy Stewart, In The Good Ol' Summertime with Van Johnson and You've Got Mail with Tom Hanks are all the same basic story. Each is excellent in it's own right.
I think it is possible to have a great remake or retelling of a story. YGM is a combination of the two earlier movies. I love them all the more because I can see how the filmmaker used elements of each movie to make YGM.
I think a TRON remake could be good, but the story of the first movie was right at the crest of a wave in the late 70's early 80's, the video game movement. That story won't fly today.
TRON does not need remaking, it needs a new story set in these times. A combination of the Search Engine, Col. Kurtz and MCP storylines would make an excellent film in my opiniion. Too bad Disney won't go there.
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Boingo_Buzzard User
Posts: 0 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 2:17 AM
KiaPurity Wrote:Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is NOT a remake. |
Right. I do agree with you there... just for the record |
Boingo_Buzzard User
Posts: 0 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 2:27 AM
DaveTRON Wrote:
Shop Around The Corner with Jimmy Stewart, In The Good Ol' Summertime with Van Johnson and You've Got Mail with Tom Hanks are all the same basic story. Each is excellent in it's own right.. |
I guess I am just trying to fathom these days what consitutes a need for a remake... I mean it seems to me like just $$$.. why does the Omen (of all films) need a remake?
The Amityville Horror maybe needed one because the first one was a piece of sh** (haven't seen the second one).
Did "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner" really need to be morphed into "Guess Who"? with Ashton Kutcher *sour face*
Is it "homage"? Nostaliga? Greed? A little of all?
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Posts: 4,467 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 2:31 AM
If someone has a good story for a remake, then it can be successful. But I think the problem is that Hollywood is driving these things forward, with the story being an afterthought most of the time.
It's the same for sequels, too. The studios want yet another sequel to an established franchise, because they want to play it safe. But how many additional directions can you take the initial premise of the first film, before it becomes ridiculous?
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Posts: 2,939 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 8:20 AM
There are good remakes. Gone in 60 Seconds, is a good example I think. The original, which was made in the 70's was made by a group of stunt people. They didn't have a script, which shows in many areas of the film, for they just made the film for fun. It still has the best and longest chase scene in my opinion. It's just classic and pretty believable. The newer version is a remake/retelling. Alot of the classic scenes are remade in the newer one, but a plot is added, new characters are made and are given histories and plenty of depth, and they did a great job squeezing in some automotive history with many of the cars. Hemi Cuda! I love them both.
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TheJediUnit User
Posts: 474 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 10:45 AM
Charlie isn't a remake? Just because it was "based on the book and not the prior film?" Willy Wonka wasn't based on the book? I disagree with your idea of what a remake is, Kia, if you think that's not a remake.
On the topic, there's very little new under the sun anyway. I think we can largely thank the new tide of Reality TV and movie remake rush on the loss of so many creative writers after their writer's guild strike went south in the late 90's.
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DaveTRON User
Posts: 5,314 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 10:46 AM
Boingo_Buzzard Wrote:The Amityville Horror maybe needed one because the first one was a piece of sh** (haven't seen the second one). |
I take great exception to that statement. The first Amityville Horror movie with James Brolin and Margot Kidder was perhaps not Academy Award material, but in it's day it was one scary mofo of a movie. I know it freaked me out for months after seeing it. All of it's sequels (5 I believe), blew chunks, but the first one was good for me. I can't believe you think it's s**t?!?!
A movie remake I am looking forward to seeing is the new version of The Fog. John Carpenter's version is awesome scary fun, and the new one looks pretty faithful to the original. I wonder if it will be any good?
I think something to consider too is that a great story is always a great story. The Omen is a great story. It was a great movie because it had a good director and a good cast with a great story to tell. That's the deal these days. will it be a great cast, or a bunch of WB castoffs 'acting' their way through it and ruining the great story? Who's supposed to star in the Omen remake?
I make the WB reference because I believe the cast of my The fog remake is mostly WB people. I am scared. DaveTRON
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Boingo_Buzzard User
Posts: 0 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 11:46 AM
DaveTRON Wrote:[quoteI take great exception to that statement. The first Amityville Horror movie with James Brolin and Margot Kidder was perhaps not Academy Award material, but in it's day it was one scary mofo of a movie. I know it freaked me out for months after seeing it. All of it's sequels (5 I believe), blew chunks, but the first one was good for me. I can't believe you think it's s**t?!?! |
Yeah, I'm sorry Dave, but I really think it's an awful movie. Maybe you're right and "at the time" it was scary, but a movie needs to stand the test of time to remain a good movie in my books (like Tron, Jaws, Star Wars.....)
I think the acting was lousy, the suspense was terrible and the effects hokey.
Now, OK, AT THE TIME this movie came out I was scared by it. I was also nine years old. The Headless Horseman episode on Little House On The Prarie scared me.
Maybe my comment about it being a piece of sh@$ was too harsh. I think it's a bad movie, and not even kitsch type bad, which I can deal with. We'd have to compare it to others around that time which I felt were truly scary and good films to boot (Excorcist, The Omen)
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DaveTRON User
Posts: 5,314 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 12:41 PM
I can see your point on certain pieces. It was certainly low budget. I guess since I had read a lot of the related books before seeing it I was also able to embellish the story in my head. For me it does stand the test of time. I will watch it if it is on TV.
Everyone has their preference, I mean look at all the people who think TRON is a POS? What do they know right? DaveTRON
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TheJediUnit User
Posts: 474 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 1:40 PM
Maybe you're right and "at the time" it was scary, but a movie needs to stand the test of time to remain a good movie in my books (like Tron, Jaws, Star Wars.....)
I think the acting was lousy, the suspense was terrible and the effects hokey. |
It seems like with the advent of great leaps in special effect capabilities, the former inability to produce sophisticated effects producing superior writing and suspense development has been unfortunatly displaced by the vastly inferrior situation of a sweeping inability to resist using sophisticated special effects in lieu of adequate writing and suspense development. There were good examples of the best of both worlds during the transitionary period in the late 70's and 80's, but there seems to be a total deficit of creative writing in Hollywood anymore.
However, in their defense, the public doesn't seem to care much anyway, well, not enough to stop going. "Having is not as pleasing a thing as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."
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Tori User
Posts: 0 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 1:58 PM
Remakes can be really good, but can also suck horribly.
It all depends on how they're made...
What they SHOULD remake (Just so that they can have a better alien apperance, even though the one in the origional is cool..) Is The Man Who Fell To Earth. They shoud keep Bowie in it though, because he was awesome in it.
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Posts: 474 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 2:26 PM
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However, I respect James Camaron's comment when making yet another version of Titanic (in which case "the book" would be a history book), "if one doesn't put a different spin on a remake, what's the point?"
However, I'm a fan of sticking with the book as well, as per my opinions in the War of the World's thread. I suppose the only real reason I'd personally see the reason of remaking a book-dominated story in a second film would be the ability to come closer to the book, not to deviate further away.
All in all, I'd rather see more "copy cat" films than outright remakes. At least in copy cats you don't really know where the story could end up. I view ID4 as a War of the Worlds copy cat.
All in all, it seems like a story dominated by a pre-existing book seems to have different aspects which can almost make it sacred and deserving special protection from the damage that can be rendered by a poor film or worse, set of films. I seem to be more irritated by films destroying the image of a book than the image of another film. Am I alone in this? "Having is not as pleasing a thing as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."
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Tori User
Posts: 0 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 2:54 PM
I am mad at the people who made ID4. They stole that white house being destroyed scene from the Mars Attacks trading cards (Which the Mars Attacks movie was based on) so Tim Burton couldn't use it.
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TheJediUnit User
Posts: 474 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 3:41 PM
too much of an "The American Government wins EVERYTHING and saves the day" movie for me. |
American audiences overwhelmingly don't like seeing our country being saved for us by other countries and American studios aren't interested in making films suited better for audiences of other countries and leave the American audiences behind.
It gets monotonous, yes, but stands to at least some reason, if not the one we'd chose here.
But, let's not forget about the Bond films, the greatest film sequal saga of all time, produced by a European studio, which sees Great Britian winning over the world over and over with the service of a single, action-hero, so it's not an insult to our intelligence that only American studios commit. And look how they've portrayed Americans. The only thing favorable has been American women. But look at their idea of American intelligence and law enforcement. Jimmy Dean and that Louisiana cop? Please! "You're that British secret agent from England!"
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Boingo_Buzzard User
Posts: 0 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 4:48 PM
Tori Wrote:I didn't even like ID4 much...too much of an "The American Government wins EVERYTHING and saves the day" movie for me. |
I actually did like ID4 even though it was somewhat formulaic, predictable, and nothing new.
It was just entertaining for me, so that was OK. I don't own the DVD or consider it one of the best films ever made, but I did like it for what it was at the time.
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Boingo_Buzzard User
Posts: 0 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 4:51 PM
TheJediUnit Wrote:Charlie isn't a remake? Just because it was "based on the book and not the prior film?" Willy Wonka wasn't based on the book? I disagree with your idea of what a remake is, Kia, if you think that's not a remake. |
Yeah. I suppose that could go either way, although because I really do see them as two seperate movies (enjoying both equally) I tend to not think of it as a "remake".
Kind of like Planet Of The Apes was not so much a remake as it was a retelling. Albeit REALLY bad retelling. I will go so far as to call Burton's Planet Of The Apes a piece of sh*@
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Boingo_Buzzard User
Posts: 0 | Re: Remakes.... Good or Bad? on Monday, August, 29, 2005 4:54 PM
TheJediUnit Wrote:It seems like with the advent of great leaps in special effect capabilities, the former inability to produce sophisticated effects producing superior writing and suspense development has been unfortunatly displaced by the vastly inferrior situation of a sweeping inability to resist using sophisticated special effects in lieu of adequate writing and suspense development. |
I definately agree with you there. Pack some explosions, monsters and hot chicks in a movie and you have a summer blockbuster.
I am trying to remember the last time I saw a visually stunning film that was an original creation (like Tron) that I actually liked.
So much seems to be adapted from books,comics,and previous movies that it's hard to tell what is actually an original screenplay anymore.
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